One is a regular worker. He spends twelve hours a day at the factory, gets his shitty paycheck and goes home with it. He has three daughter and a wife and is barely making enough to support them. He doesn't know it, but he has so little money because he is getting robbed by banks/employer/politicians and everyone who can touch his finances. Not knowing this, he just continues his life, working all day, earning half of what is work is worth, and spending the money on unnecessarily expensive/plain bad products.
The other one is self-aware citizen. He works eight hours a day in the office. He checks everything. His back account, his savings, what products is he buying, how much is the employer paying him etc. He spends his time making sure that he isn't getting robbed. He earns exactly how much he should, he buys only verified and good products, he chooses the momentarily best bank to save his money.
Now which one will have a happier life? The man who is getting robbed without knowing it? Or the man who is constantly in stress about buying the best products and having the best deals?
Tyler Phillips
In a free market society the workers get exactly what their work is worth.
Zachary Bailey
People who spend 12 hours meticulously researching the ins and outs any product more expensive than $50 before they buy it are insufferable imho. Not worth it. Nobody retired early and bought a Lamborghini by cutting coupons and hunting for deals.
Kayden Powell
Worth is not a well-defined term and the possible existence of such a society hasn't been proven
Nicholas Rogers
How is knowledge "not worth it"?
Wyatt Allen
>Getting robbed
Monies have no owners
Henry Butler
That is a pretty shit comparison. What if the dumb labourer gets into debt because his wife and daughters spend huge amounts of stuff they can't afford? And then suddenly, the labourer, besides his long work hours, has to pick up extra jobs/work around the house just to make sure they don't get evicted and have enough food?
Henry Allen
And then his wife leaves him for a rich self-aware citizen, and makes him pay alimony and child support.
Lucas Russell
You're not entitled to earn whatever you think is "fair", regardless of your skills and supply & demand for labor. Deal with it.
Christian Lee
Life is tough and women are natural whores. Nothing personnel.
Jack Harris
We could spend time here arguing about how could or couldnt the life turn out for each of these, but that is outside the main point.
Levi Morris
Ah the classical debating of imaginative opponents. Your post is completely non-sequitur.
Evan Gray
Of course that is the point, because situations don't exist in a vacuum. It is like saying:
Person A suffers from a bunch of mental disorders, but is always happy. Person B is normal and sometimes sad. Who is happier?
Aiden Stewart
But if you want to start making up hypothetical scenarios, then we would get hang up on it and miss the point. This isn't about finding out if the worker has happier life than office worker, rather than about finding out if its better to live in sweet ignorance or stressful awareness. Worker and office worker are just examples.
Gavin White
>>Deal with it I love the childish petulance that this phrase embodies.
Oh yeah, people do make dealings by the way, either by electing governments that favor redistribution of wealth, or by eventual rebellion against the state.
Connor Hall
>constantly in stress about buying the best products and having the best deals why would you be in stress about this, you don't have to spend 4 hours a day researching your purchases
Joseph Rivera
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Brayden Lewis
t. Welfare (drag) queen
Lincoln Ross
Yeah but ignorance comes with a price. Basically it boils down to: the labourer won't have any spare cash so if something happens he is fucked. So to consider fairly you will have to assume shit goes downhill with some chance.
Jackson Hill
>Nobody retired early and bought a Lamborghini by cutting coupons and hunting for deals.
Many, many people retire early by managing their money frugally and intelligently. Including both of my parents, and someday me (unless civilization collapses or whatever).
"Buying a lamborghini" is an example of managing your money like a retard, so that's sort of contradictory.
Nicholas King
>n a free market society the workers get exactly what their work is worth.
They CAN get what it is worth, but that doesn't stop their ignorance from being taken advantage of.
Kevin Gray
If they're ignorant/idiots then whatever leftovers they get after being scammed is EXACTLY what they're worth.
The entire argument of free market is that whatever anyone gets for pay, is exactly what they're worth.
I could get behind that. If you're unhappy with what you're making, it's up to you to get that number up. Not for the state, because you're worth no more than what you're able to negotiate.
Adrian Fisher
>define worth as what you get >people get what they get >hurrdurr i'm le ebic economist
Did you even pass 1st grade?
Hunter Moore
It's just a way to shut retards up who complain and bitch and moan about their wages and how they're "being scammed".
That's what they're worth. Because they keep bitching and moaning yet still remain there.
Like jesus either accept you're worthless or do something about it.
Jack Perry
Probably the first guy because he has a family.
Noah Howard
>t. unemployed
Noah Perry
Almost but not quite :^)
Eli King
At least you're honest. A lot of people have extenuating circumstances that coerce them into staying in a particular job, even if they might feel motivated to go after something better. I can understand that being a 19 year old unemployed male you wouldn't ever think about people who have children or people who have some kind of chronic medical condition. It's not just "bitching and moaning," it's called real life.
Kayden Lee
Thank you for the wallpaper. Got any similar ones?
Jonathan Hughes
>think of the children The real question is how it will be paid for. Are you willing to kill or imprison someone for refusing to give you food stamps?
Kayden Thomas
>Deal with it. We did deal with it. By making unions and labor laws.
Luis Long
Who got in bed with the corrupt government because unions set up union bosses, defeating the purpose.
Unions are very important to some economic systems. With the decline of actual productive labor, you're seeing a siphoning of union activity into more sedentary, complacent behavior.
For instance, Keynes stipulates that wage unions are important because of their ability to regulate money-wages which can help raise the interest rate to prevent an unnecessary draw on financial institutions like we saw with the subprime lending crisis.
Isaac Bell
Also, it would help raise the elasticity of wages relative to the elasticity of prices lowering the elasticity of output, meaning profit increases accrue more to the laborer than to the entrepreneurs, among other various little economic effects.