Would Mosley and his gang have had more success if they didn't dress like fucking moon-men?

>Love how Veeky Forums fascist aesthetics are
>Not retarded and repressed enough to be a fascist

life is pain

>Dressing like moon-men
>A bad thing

Delet your life.

Honestly, what's wrong with fascism?

It's okay, it's not like you'd get to be Veeky Forums as a modern fascist anyway. Just look at these goobers.

He looks like a Bond villain

I dunno man I think he's pretty far-right.

That type of trench coats and hats predate fascism.

The vast vast vast majority of people who are interested in ruling a country with complete authority are the exact type of people who should be nowhere near a position of power

I've met self proclaimed fascists and with rare exceptions like Salazar they're just angry autists with daddy issues.

give me a quick rundown on the guy second from the right

>oh shite, I appologize
>appologize for what?

They're all about to suck each other's dicks

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I'm planning to make this my Halloween costume. Either this or Ryan gosling in PBTP

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They were so cool

Is this from a movie?

>Would Mosley and his gang have had more success if they didn't dress like fucking moon-men?

No

British dislike people who take themselves seriously

What about Augustus Caesar? Is he an exception?

It wasn't even that they were culturally individualistic, it's just that the country had a long history of democratic government. To have a guy say "See all those dictators on the continent? I think they have some compelling points," was just selling to the wrong audience.

I like this outfit

Seems not that bad in the olden days;

youtube.com/watch?v=HNhF28fzN9I

JUST

There is actually a VERY old Guardian article that addresses this issue. Basically, Mosley realized that there were people who might be inclined to support him but had no desire to walk around in silly outfits, so he created a two-tiered system where you could be a member of the Fascist party but were not required to actually wear the uniform unless you were a high-ranking member of the organization.

theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/19/oswald-mosley-blackshirts-uniform-1935

So basically, the uniform was optional unless you were in some kind of leadership position within the party.

They might have had more success if they hadn't imported their entire movement from abroad.

George Orwell thought that there was little chance of fascism taking power in Britain because British people found the idea of saluting a political leader and goosestepping around rather absurd.

>dude I just want to preserve British tradition
>except we should abolish Parliamentary democracy and give all power to the executive
>and we should make it illegal for the press to criticise the government

>We're not anti-semites, me and my mates just happened to be marching through a predominantly Jewish area by chance

Is leftism inherently more violent?
Whats going on here? They still attack people they disagree with. Shoes at Bush, Richard Spencer, etc.

Yes, shoes and a sucker punch are the most violent things the left has ever done.

Even if I agreed with you you make a dumb argument.

Fascism is inherently a revanchist ideology. For it to become popular you need a broken country with a lot of degeneracy. Fascism has a bigger chance of being popular in today's Western Europe than contemporary Western Europe which, despite the Great Depression, was still ontop of the world.

Considering his son was a pedophile and accused half of Rome of treason, and then his nephew went on to sleep with his sister, misuse public funds and was so hated he was assinated by his own guards, yes. The Ceasers are a prime example of how exellence isn't hereditary.

it does look very 60s

kind of like the prisoner

>a lot of degeneracy
le dejeneresy is not only sourcece of butthurt. In interwar periodd the main reasons were the Great deppression, the Great war and communism.

>It wasn't even that they were culturally individualistic, it's just that the country had a long history of democratic government. To have a guy say "See all those dictators on the continent? I think they have some compelling points," was just selling to the wrong audience.

This is the English you're dealing with and the long history of democratic government is largely a sham. If you look at 18th and 19th century texts, you see the English rejecting people saying:
>"See all those democrats on the continent? I think they have some compelling points,"

Mosley trying:
> "See all those dictators on the continent? I think they have some compelling points,"
was rejected for the same reason. English exceptionalism.

>Would Mosley and his gang have had more success if they didn't dress like fucking moon-men?

Well no: Fascists have always dressed like moon men. Low to mid-level members seek to separate themselves from the common man while being validated by others that they perceive as elites. That's why we see Mosley's crowd going full TNG knock-off, the Nazis with their Hugo Boss gestapo shit and many of the Trumptards dressing like Just William.

It is, though, interesting to observe that where Mosley attempted to create a look that's driven by industrialism/modernism (arguably syncing in neatly with the vorticists) both the Nazis and the Trumptards aspire to refine and fetishise an existing one they associate with power. Nazis went military, Trumptards went East Coast Prep.

it is partly hereditary, the problem was augustus was an egoist who didn't care what happened after he died

>[excellence] is partly hereditary

Do the people who believe that believe that so as to have an excuse for not being excellent?

maybe, maybe not, doesn't change the facts

underrated

>maybe, maybe not, doesn't change the facts

The facts which don't support their beliefs, you mean?

Agreed.

tiberius was adopted

they might support their beliefs, they might not, none of this has any bearing on the facts

Well, the facts are that while the capacity for reasoning is hereditary, wisdom, virtue, and the ability to resist the corruption of egoism are not hereditary. This is a fact that has been known since the times of the ancient Greek philosophers, and it's the main downside of monarchism. Just look at how retarded Commodus was compared to Marcus Aurelius. If one of the wisest rulers of all time was unable to teach his son properly, what hope does monarchism have?

total meme ideology. Few if any consistent policy positions. It's effectively a fancy name for state capitalism combined with authoritarian government and a healthy dose of hatred for whichever minorities you decide to scapegoat in order to deflect attention from the flaws of your disorganised regime.

Parties in the UK from what I've noticed take ages to become mainstream and push their programs. Mosley should've stuck to Labour and reformed that into a fascist party from the inside.

Labour was fully socialist at that time, Mosley would have had quite a hard time

The German Worker's Party Hitler took over was pretty socialist itself but he managed.

The aesthetic that saved the world?

Looks like I bogged that one up

>Few if any consistent policy positions
If the Fascist regime isn't at least similar to this en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_of_Carnaro
>It's effectively a fancy name for state capitalism
Every instance of Fascism has always been protectionist and has talked shit about Capitalism
>healthy dose of hatred for whichever minorities you decide to scapegoat
Since when is putting Socialists/Communists/Anarchists in their place something bad?
>flaws of your disorganised regime
The only mistake Italian Fascism ever did was putting a socialist in charge

Clockwork Orange

>predominantly Jewish area

Suggesting that an area is predominantly one ethnicity or another is grounds for being denounced as a racist these days.

>Shoes at Bush
Thrown by a guy who's nation was just obliterated by said president.

Not everyone is a leftist or a rightist

Bush should have been beaten to death in the street for what he did imho

>you don't have to be a moonman but you have to be ruled by moonmen

Explain Singapore then, a fascist, multicultural society with a thriving government and economy

relevant captcha

The aesthetics and disciplined appearance in fascism is an attempt to distract from the chaotic structure in their actual works.

frogposters need to be beaten to death.

>undercut
>unironically being undistinguishable from lesbians
The sucker-puncher was probably an alt-rightist and mistook the guy for being a SJW dyke.

>an independent city state in one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world.

Fascism didn't appeal to bongs at large because UK was at the top of its game in interwar period despite all the shit that had happened. Larger than ever and king of the world.

Mosley was aiming at a coup like the one in Italy, it's enitrely reasonable for the people who would end up dead under his regime to go out and stop that from happening.

youtube.com/watch?v=q2Xi3ioasik

>aesthetic

Stop using this word

Let them use that word until they embarrass themselves IRL with it.

>tfw Nazi aesthetics get all the attention when Italian fascism had the stronger aesthetic pedigree

Futurism may seem pretty crazy to modern sensibilities with its glorification of industrial warfare, but it produced a lot of interesting things.

kek

He looks like the Medic from TF 2.

Kek.

lmao did they plan for this shot ?

no

>the brains
>the face
>the leader
>the brash 2nd in command
>the tough guy

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The left most often engages in disorganized and spontaneous violence, but the overall amount of violence isn't really anything more than the right. It's just that it's usually happening outside of an orderly context which makes it more noticeable.

Rightwing violence tends to be soldiers commit systematic executions of areas/towns and targeted assassinations. Leftwing violence tends to be tons of property damage and assaults via riots and murder of anyone deemed to be from a more privileged strata.

1935 act bans political uniforms friend, so they can't be

I always cringe when I hear lefties bitch about scapegoats. Literally every brand of Socialism is predicated on blaming successful people for everything.

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Augustus was obsessed with grooming his heirs, they just all died so he was stuck with his nephew in law who had his own demons.

>the germans lost to THIS

jesus christ

>what was the USRR for 200, Alex

>The German Worker's Party Hitler took over was pretty socialist itself but he managed.
germany had an infantile government culture and had gotten to a point where they were just willing to test shit out to see what worked
the UK had strong routes in the structure of a parliamentary democracy, and wanted nothing to do with more centralized power, especially not if the continentals were doing it

*strong roots
fug i need to go to bed

If they can't do that with proper debate in a democratic society, maybe they're the one's who're wrong.