When was atheism hijacked and stopped being about science and philosophy?

new atheism has been a popsci cancer from the start

responsibly experiment with entheogens and meditation OP. You'll find your current worldview laughable

i thought he's the one who popularized christian bashing in the mid noughties

that applies to anyone who doesn't have a thorough philosophical and anthropological education that hasn't done psychedelics before.

He thought it was about atheism until he dared to criticize the diverse and peaceful religion of Islam. Then his libshit fans turned on him. It was all about bashing Christianity and forwarding the liberal agenda.

2012 when Freethought Blogs and Atheism+ was created. That marked the end of the old group atheist YouTubers making fun of creationists while using it as an excuse to teach science.

Yep. Its painfully obvious atheism and "rationalism" in general were hijacked by post-modernists, SJWs and Liberals. You only have to read the first paragraph of the rationalwiki entry on Thunderf00t to know that. Its all about Muslims and diversity, none of them cared when he was Christbashing.

rationalwiki.org/wiki/Thunderf00t

>Tfw when I'm unironically a sjw, postmodernist and atheist.
I do feel like we get unfairly bashed all the time while alt right white nationalist deus vult people get a pass cause it's 'different' and cool to be contrarian. They've even adopted the dapper look to make it look more aesthetic and people fall for it.

Well mate, when you support Islam (despite being an athiest) its pretty hard not to mock you.

The alt-right are SJWs and Post-modernists, just right wing ones. They're certainly not modernists.

>I do feel like we get unfairly bashed all the time while alt right white nationalist deus vult people get a pass cause it's 'different' and cool to be contrarian.
if you think this it's because you get more exposure to Veeky Forums than normie stuff. it's the opposite on the surface world, outside of our subterranean lair.

Honestly Russell is where atheism went all to shit. Before him people like Santayana were doing materialist philosophy that included things like aesthetics, religion, history, as well as science. Hell, Ingersoll was fiery but was still steeped in classical learning.
Russell was a good logician but a shit philosopher and he's the one influencing the new atheist movement the most it seems.

Well when the group you are part of makes statements like 'all white people are racists an all men are sexist. No matter how they act or behave.'
You are bound to get mocked and have shit thrown at you.

When the card-carrying fedoras cared more about the "status" it gave them instead of questioning existence, inherited morality, and other existential shit.

When people ask i just say i dont' care, because i literally don't care anymore. When people want to discuss philosophy or science my personal feelings on the subjects don't matter, on the position i'm arguing from. Which changes every day.

Omg SJW are being oppressed! SJW visibility now!

>>>/reddit/

Atheism can't really be "about" anything other than a lack of belief in god(s). It's just a description for someone that lacks belief.

I prefer non-religious to atheist as well. Although I don't mind being called an atheist and don't mind describing myself as one it's a word that doesn't really need to exist. We don't have special words for people that don't believe in dragons or astrology

>altright
>sjw

horseshit theory yet again.

Also, they're absolutely modernists.

>When was atheism hijacked and stopped being about science and philosophy?

Atheism has never been about science or philosophy.

It is merely the rejection of a claim "God exists" that hasn't been proven.

>Le x is y because my asshole says it is
Fuck off and join your SJW friend on >>>/reddit/

>they're absolutely modernists.

Bollocks, modernists aren't nativist. The Alt-right are litrally the opposite side to the coin intersectionalists who believe society is built to keep minorities out of power because whites are the majority and own all the institutions and therefore the metanarrative. The Alt-right agree and want to keep things this way because if minorities have power, then they don't, hence why the term "cuck" exists: giving up your own power so minorities can lord over you with it.

>Fuck off and join your SJW friend on >>>/reddit/

After you faggot.

i bash pisslam

If you truly give a fuck about the differences among "atheism," "antitheism," "agnosticism," or any other various term for non-believers, you have the 'tism.

It's just labels that believers can use on non believers. Who gives a fuck?

The same can be said of philosophy and political ideology

>Bollocks, modernists aren't nativist.

Nationalism is literally a product of modernity, what the fuck are you talking about.

It's all tribalism and identity crisis to sell books. Just like religion and politics.
Only honest introspection and self-discipline can protect you from meme warfare.

Nationalism not nativism. Also, that was enlightenment, not modernity.

This.

Not him, but why is it "supporting Islam" to point out that American and Indonesian Muslims are way less violent than their Christian peers and that most of the problems afflicting the middle east are related to realpolitik, with religion acting as a recruiting mechanism for unscrupulous power players, and that supporting exclusionary tactics only increases the risk of radicalizing a native-born.

That's not "pro" Islam, it's "anti-mingling of church and state" regardless of the church, or the state.

Atheism has never been about science and philosophy, it's always been about autistic rebellion.
Why are any of those things good? Bad philosophy is bad philosophy, and science is just that.
>and derives claims outside of utilizing the scientific method.
So does science, such as: 'fallibility is good' 'consistency is good' 'there is an ordered universe' 'the universe can be known' 'the scientific method is valid' and so on.
>free thought\
>do NOT question le science!!!
>do NOT question le normative ethics!!!
>i dont matter because le empiricist me-me

is this bait

Back to ribbit, you belong there
>hurr dragons and astrology and god rnt reel because my ideology sais so
That's a philosophical stance, a horseshit one though.
You are a believer though, just a believer in humanist nonsense.
>"anti-mingling of church and state"
muh church and state is bad because ribbit said so and i believe what they say
>anything i dont like must be le 'bait' meme!

>muh church and state is bad because ribbit said so and i believe what they say
Try Thomas Jefferson, and he said that specifically because the United States was founded by refugees fleeing sectarian violence in England.

It holds true no matter which culture or people you talk about: when you mix politics and religion, the result is a quagmire like what Europe had in the early modern era or what we have right now in the middle east: repressive theocracies and unscrupulous power players whipping people up into a violent religious frenzy.

Jesus Christ, son.

You're barely literate.

>thomas jefferson said so so it must be true IM A FREE THINKER BUT I UNQUESTIONINGLY ACCEPT WHAT THIS PERSON SAID
Wow epic, people I DISLIKE must be ILLITERATE

>when you mix politics and religion, the result is a quagmire
That's what happens when you mix politics with anything.

No. People typing garbled Chinglish are barely literate.

This isn't Chinglish you dip. If you think that, you must be yourself illiterate.

oh no this FUCKING WHITE MALE is typing in a way that isn't le classy like the way us fedora-wearing dapper atheist lads type (despite you thinking 'no' alone is a fucking valid sentence).

Oh sure, I'm the illiterate one here. Don't you have some bad poetry to have critiqued? don't worry, you might improve at some point (meanwhile, I am at least published.)

>ching chong ching choo

>>thomas jefferson said so so it must be true IM A FREE THINKER BUT I UNQUESTIONINGLY ACCEPT WHAT THIS PERSON SAID
Yes, why should I question the lessons learned from one of the key founders of the world's oldest continuously existing regime. I should spend more time on /pol/ learning from true nation builders.

Works that way with secular ideology such as Communism, as well. As soon as you shackle a society to an ideal it tears itself to pieces trying to decide what that ideal actually is

I am smart and you are stupid.
Therefore things that I like must be good things, and things that you like must be bad things.
If you argue with me it just proves how irredeemably bad you are as a person.

Humanism is less nonsense than theism, considering I'm a human and am using humanism to try to come to a common understanding with other humans. It makes sense to place humanity as a core principle of this understanding, considering we share humanity in common, human reason and human agency.

I don't use humanism to try and come to an understanding with a dog or a cat I keep as a house pet or a t-rex trying to eat me.

he said so so he must be write haha im a free thinker but unquestioningly accept what people say after all i dont want to look stupid haha he founded it so he must clearly be the reason why it is still living (even though it barely is)

>As soon as you shackle a society to an ideal it tears itself to pieces trying to decide what that ideal actually is
Burgerland is attached to a few dozen ideals you fucking moron.
ANYTHING I DISLIKE MUST BE NONSENSE
HUMANISM IS GOOD BECAUSE *NON SEQUITUR*
HAHA HUMAN NATURE EXISTS BECAUSE I SAID IT DOES WERE ALL ONE RACE EXCEPT EVIL WHITE PEOPLE

Humanism is literally just the fumes of Christianity.

It'll soon be deconstructed, and you're seeing it already in the postmodernist/poststructuralist crowd. For them humanism is simply another construction of white male capitalistic society.

>he said so so he must be write haha im a free thinker but unquestioningly accept
You see, this shit right here is exactly what makes people think atheists are flaming faggots. You don't actually have an argument to come back with so you shitpost

>Burgerland is attached to a few dozen ideals you fucking moron.
Including the ideal which says that we shouldn't let ideals take over our government, eurotrash

>arguments are good
Nice freudian slip though.
>Including the ideal which says that we shouldn't let ideals take over our government, eurotrash
wow epin everybody i dislike must be EUROPEAN
EUROPE SUCKS, FUCKING.WHITE.MALES

American government is solely based upon meme ideals.

wait are you the same /pol/ guy or the other one
i can't tell who is who this thread is splintering

Again, like a slippery weasel you systematically shield your own beliefs from criticism while thinking that mocking and ridicule constitute convincing substance

>>arguments are good
Go back to /pol/ or reddit if you need a hugbox

that european powers copied shamelessly

I'm definitely not the /pol/ guy, just the guy arguing that atheists don't need to all be shit-flinging Islamophobes if they're willing to study to nuances of geopolitics in the middle east

>le arguments are good
>le substance is le good
Is a hugbox.
Moving goalposts.

>Is a hugbox
Post a counter-point or GTFO because all you're doing at this point is shitposting

Why? because not doing so triggers you? Go be 12 on /b/.

Atheism was never "about" anything you either believe in gods or don't

The fact that a bunch of people tried to gather together over their shared lack of commonality and establish rules to govern this absence was never anything other than a ridiculous farce.

Better than having to deal with /pol/ acting like a 12 year old on Veeky Forums desu.

>The fact that a bunch of people tried to gather together over their shared lack of commonality and establish rules to govern this absence was never anything other than a ridiculous farce.

In fairness, Dawkins has never done anything along those lines.

>Why? because not doing so triggers you? Go be 12 on /b/.
No, because maybe I actually want to hear a counter-argument and subject my own beliefs to a stress test so that they might be strengthen or improved by the increased perspective, but in order for me to actually be convinced they have to be grounded in logic and factual evidence and not just personal attacks.

If all I wanted to do is shitpost all day, then /b/ is where I would go, and maybe where you should return to if you if this board is too challenging for you

I'm not from /pol/, you certainly are though.
>this is good because le annoying greek pedophile said so
>logic and fact exist and are good because i said so

Reddit is toxic it's full of too many mgtow and mra's.

>I believe in god and the supernatural but I ignore it
So you are even dumber than a the typical religious theist?

people i dont like are le stoopid lol

Dumb and stupid are two different things.

>I believe god, hell and magic exists but I'm going to continue my mundane life : ^)
How do you function?

Compartmentalization, or more likely, he just SAYS he believes in whatever because of groupthink.

I'm not him you redditor.

People I dont like are ruddit lul

Atheists are the champions of group think though.

Atheism was never about science nor philosophy.
Science is about peeking.
Philosophy is about pondering.
Atheism is denying and throwing a tantrum.

The vast majority of atheists are not members of any group or organisation, I think you have a hard time telling reality from the internet.

>mfw I unironically fell for the Dawkins, Hitchens, and Harris meme
>mfw I got out of it by the skin of my teeth

>reality
Doesn't exist.
>The vast majority of atheists are not members of any group or organisation
Entirely false, I don't think you understand what 'group think' is either.

>reality doesn't exist
I KNEW IT
It's all just a dream...

>DUDE, these hallucinatory chemicals will make you see the world for what it truly is!

I never said that I existed either. Reality doesn't exist because it's an ideology attached onto existence.

while what you say is true about political ideology, it is not necessarily true about philosophy. there are ways to objectify the universe within a first-person perspective.

I never said anything good or bad about religion or science, I just explained the difference between religion and science. that being said, you're fooling yourself if you think consistency is phenomenologically unobservable. basically what you're saying boils down to "I have the knowledge that knowledge is unobtainable", a stillborn stance.

the only thing hallucinogens do with consistency is alter your perception of reality. if you have never viewed reality through an alternative perspective, this will be an alarming and life-changing experience for you no matter what you are.

This.

How can mirrors be real if our eyes aren't real?

Atheism never was about science and philosophy for fucks sake. It was anti-clerical from it's beggining, peaking at Marxist revolutions in early 20th century and it stopped being an ideological stance by late 20th century.

Ah the old "its the fault of the US/Soviets/Brits that the middle east is a violent shithole"
The middle east has had arbitrary borders and massive imperial meddling since the founding of Islam and the Umayyad Caliphate.
In addition, Islam has never been reformed, and the adherents of each sect claim to practice Islam in its purest form and as it was practiced during the time of Mohammed. This leads to prevalent beliefs in the Middle East (that are codified as law in almost every country) of less rights for women, death for homosexuals and apostates, and torture for minor offences.
When you line up the codes that the stricter sects of Sunni Islam follow and those that ISIS follow, they are actually very similar.

>Entirely false
Prove it

Knowledge doesn't exist.

How can one objectify what isn't objective? Fuck off you epistemologically non-standing twat.