Was Roman Empire the USA of their time?

This is an apt comparison in a very general sense, which is to say it is a Western hegemon.

Rome wasn't Roman. Rome had already ceased to exist and changed continents and religions by the time Rome was founded

Yes. In many ways actually

>Also China was at least as powerful as Rome for most of their histories

The fact that some people keep memeing this is actually kinda sad.

>truth is meme
user pls

>not citing the proto finnish korean era

who woulda thunk a history board would be this dense

yes

Just a shame that the US exports such a shitty culture whereas the Romans were at least pretty based.

Why would you soil that era by associating it with the usa?

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dat implication

they built a smaller wall

No that would be Ming China

First massed use of Gas and artillery warfare
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Pyongyang_(1593)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_invasions_of_Korea_(1592–98)#Occupation_of_Gyeongsang_Province

A single Ming Chinese commando infiltrated Seoul and destroyed the entire food supply of the Japanese army.

Defeated two European powers
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Dutch_conflicts

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malayan–Portuguese_war

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ming–Turpan_conflict

Power projection into the Indian Sea:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ming–Kotte_War

4th Vietnam Domination:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ming–Hồ_War

Culling the savages:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ming_campaign_against_the_Uriyangkhad_horde

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yongle_Emperor's_campaigns_against_the_Mongols

Hell, Ming China even experienced their Version of Pearl Harbour
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Liaoluo_Bay

Like it or not, Ming China deserves Mad Respect.

No since the USA didn't expand their "empire" no because they are not creating their own culture.

A bunch of religious lunatics that were to retarded to be accepted in europe went to a pretty advantageous place and got to be a superpower.

The downfall has begun with trumps election, the USA is a failure in many ways and in some areas like healthcare justice system it is literally a 3rd world country.

Stop comparing your shithole with le Romans.

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You mean, is the USA the Roman Empire of our time? It kinda is.

>implying every other nation in existence hasn't done the same thing

not really, they actually improved the conquered regions and invested in architecture and infrastructure

What is marshall plan?

I'm just waiting for the people saying Trump is the next Caesar to be proven right, so congress can crowd him and stab him to death, and a civil war can erupt between the Trumpites and congress. After the trumpite victory, it will emerge into a civil war between Bannon and Eric Trump, and Eric will emerge as Princeps.

Funding of a frontier region against an enemy who couldn't be beaten over decades.

you're right it was more powerful

>they hail as the construction of empire
That's exactly what the USA doesn't do. Americans are a bunch of limp-wristed faggots who didn't even have the martial dedication to defeat the viet cong or to forcefully assert their influence in defeated countries like Iraq, which is being influenced by Iran.

You have to be 18 to post on this site

>Mfw

Give it time, user.
Give it time.

*blocks your path*

>reading comprehension

The fuck is with all this butthurt? I'm American and user is right. It's a rather inane comparison but less so than the subsequent replies.

Not even memeing, but what did he mean by this?

Rome and the USA were nothing compared to them.

Then what was the Parthian and Sassanid Empire?

Soviet and Mexico?

Yeah because their geographically south of Rome right? Mexico = Carthage.

IMO no, USA is more like cathrage.

Pence is Lepidus then?

You're retarded. Rome was also a shithole if you compared how the Roman slaves lived to how Germanic tribals did, who were actually healthier and had a better diet than many Romans did. Romes founding myth was that a literal bunch of horny bandits got together to kidnap and raped the women of a nearby village to create the first generation of "Romans".

>degenerate as fuck
>ruled by corrupt oligarchs for decades
>needs their army to keep conquering for resources
they even use the fucking eagle... Rome = U.S.A.

He's making light of the fact that every Roman successor state was anything but Roman.

Absolutely not. You see, Rome happened a long time ago so I only see it through nostalgia goggles, whereas the U.S. exists right now so it can't live up to an the image of Rome completely based on my own perception. Things that are different or less familiar to me are always better because I'm 14 and lack perspective and wisdom.

What does that make Mattis? Pompey?

Well, one could called Planned Parenthood a sacrifice to Moloch...

>implying everyone isn't the Roman Empire

WUZ

ROMUN

More like any country in history when given the chance to act like this.

No, I'm sick of waiting.
I want my American military parades that makes Russia's Victory Day parades look like tiny marching bands.
I want my President to be addressed as "His Imperial Majesty" and wearing a crown and regalia befitting a world hegemon.
I want our eagle to soar over the world as a symbol of our never-ending power and glory, subjugating the world under our superior might.
I want the American Empire. I want America to be proud of the fact that it's an empire, and I want it right now.

>knowing that there's influential neocons who actually think like this

Wrong. I'm a traditionalist, monarchist, and above all imperialist.

Oh yes, when I think of American tradition, my immediate thought is always: monarchy...

You may want to look into those Founding Fathers of yours.

Alexander Hamilton and many other Founding Fathers, particularly those in the Federalist camp, supported the idea of an American monarchy. The only big reason why it wasn't made a reality was because Washington was too humble to accept that title.
Of course, hereditary rule is a folly, so an elective monarchy would be the ideal solution, as Hamilton initially proposed, thus preserving American tradition by supporting democratic representation and election of leadership.

cringeworthy desu

imagine what he could come up with after his 14th bday though. Give the kid some credit

I wish I was 12 again.

So you're against American tradition? Your whole program is based an "if only" that the Founding Fathers rejected.

Are you so dim that you can't even see the glaring contradictions in your position?

Tell that to the British in the 19th century. Or the Romans in the 2nd century AD. Seemed to work pretty well for them. But oh no, it's cringeworthy, so obviously it's a failed concept.

Stop being pathetic betas.

>Stop being pathetic betas.

Gosh, I cringed so much my chin met my pelvis.

Not all American traditions need to have strictly American origins. This is proven by the fact that the Founding Fathers inspired much of their ideas about government from the Roman Republic, as well as British common law. Turning the position of President into an elective monarchy does not destroy any sense of American tradition.

At least now it's easier for you to suck yourself off now, right, faggot?

>Turning the position of President into an elective monarchy does not destroy any sense of American tradition.

Getting rid of the Legislative and Judicial branches is a bit anti-American.

Fuck anyone who replies with "Define .... "

He has a point though. The US is by definition pluralistic, making any talk of "America" as some sort of monolith, sound... well, a bit stupid.

That's some shitty bait right there, but fuck it, I'll bite.
Having an elected monarch, Congress, and the Supreme Court are not mutually exclusive. Congress would still act as the primary legislative body, the Supreme Court would rule in constitutional issues, and the monarch would continue to act as the chief executive, as well as head of state & government. Separation of powers would still be a defining factor in American politics, and the monarch would change very little in that regard. Read Hamilton's notes on the subject.

So you want a monarchy that is nothing like a monarchy? You want the name but none of the substance?

Fuck me, does someone else want to take over from here? This guy's stupid may start to rub off.

Define a "monolith"

A large, impersonal political, corporate, or social structure regarded as indivisible and slow to change.

>All monarchy is absolute monarchy.
Are you a fucking retard or what? Hell even absolute monarchy is not a thing until that France king curtailed the feudal lords power. If you want more example see Poland-Lithuania Commonwealth and their Sejm

I bet you think the United Kingdom isn't a monarchy either just because Queen Elizabeth doesn't directly intervene in the processes of Parliament, do you?
Believe it or not, the powers of the President today are quite extraordinary in scope, and if not for the term limits, could be mistaken for monarchical powers. Executive Orders are more and more resembling decrees in their scope, the President's veto power in Congress can easily be paralleled to royal assent, and he also has absolute command of the military as its supreme authority.
Also this , constitutional monarchies are still monarchies, and absolutism is both stupid and a pipe dream.

Wouldn't it be much more in the American tradition to extend presidential terms? That's basically what you want, then?

Why the fuck would you introduce the concept of monarchy into American discourse (especially when you claim to be an American traditionalist)?

>Wouldn't it be much more in the American tradition to extend presidential terms? That's basically what you want, then?

It always amazes me how some people would prefer *less* democracy.

"Hur dur, give us less control over our politics"... bizarre.

I'm actually more of a Western traditionalist as a whole, but I acknowledge that many American traditions are quite ideal as well, namely commitment to democratic representation and the sanctity of constitutional law.
If by 'extend presidential terms', you mean that the President should serve for a term of good behavior (meaning for life so long as they do nothing worthy of impeachment), then you're getting close to the idea, but monarchism is more than that. Monarchies often rely on heavy symbolism, such as the crown or regalia of a monarch, to to emphasize their esteemed position.

The decrease of citizen influence on the political process in the US would be literally insignificant despite changing the Presidency into an elected monarchy.

So you basically want longer presidential terms and more ceremonial pomp? Granted, that's not nearly as interesting and attention-grabbing as "I am an American monarchist and traditionalist", so I can see why you chose the latter.

I still think though - subject of the House of Windsor that I am - that you're bloody weird.

Define "impersonal".

>puppet state of Israel
>is filled with SJW's, idiots and fat fucks
Maybe if the Roman Empire was really cucked.

No, just no.

>anachronistic map
>he thinks Britain didn't have a strong parliamentary tradition

I thought we had all agreed he is Sulla.

imagine a parade and at the end of it we blow up something with an atom bomb way off in the distance or out at sea or something

shit would be dope

I am Roman Empire and so can you.
You mean Crassus.

A world dominant power that self destructed after getting a stupid inbred self obsessed idiot as leader?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_empire

It's ok, Obama isn't president anymore

Define "define"

>landgrabbing literal shitholes
>impressive

Ah yes the famous British empire full of >fucking nothing

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>just described every state in history

Replace fagboy eric with barron and thats spot on

>too shit to win anything in continental Europe
>better conquer niggers and abos
This is like a top 10 heavyweight boxer dropping out of a prize fight to spend the rest of his life engaging in bar brawls.

Barron is the key to all this.

Why do all the Trump boys have such dry lips? Buy a tube of carmex, god damn. Those things are crackin apart.

Jews