Why didn't fascism work?

Not him but how does Fascism call for eternal war? That sounds like saying communism calls for eternal revolution when only autistic Trotsky did.

Because it is actively self-destructive and based on denial of facts.

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Business want cheap labor, cheapest labor is labor of immigrants, the immigrants are part of other nation or even race, therefore fascism get angry, economics is stagnating, revolution, the end of fascism.

I don't see that as calling for eternal war. It just says perpetual peace is impossible and stupid.

"development of humanity", an interesting term.

>perpetual peace is impossible
it's true
>and stupid.
he was a soldier

Denial of facts maybe but how is fascism self-defeating or self-destructive?

Not that poster but Fascism in both Italy & Germany deliberately glorified militarism & called for expansionist wars. Revival of the nation through crucible by war is one of the central tenets of fascist ideology which has always waxed poetic about 'unifying the nation and reinvigorating its spirit' through the cleansing quality of war.

The war that they ultimately embroiled themselves brought about their own destruction.

The militarism.

How come no one has tried non-aggressive fascism yet?

Because it's edgy.

Nice loaded question dumbass. Fascism obviously did work until it got defeated in a war.

>being a pacifist cuck

Why did it get involved in self-destructive wars? It's almost like starting wars of aggression is part of the fascism ideology...

Spain if you can call them fascist

>being a pacifist cuck
I'm not a pacifist, I just think that maybe JUSTing your entire country by recklessly going to war with all your neighbours might not be the best strategy.

And I can't believe this needs to be pointed out to you, when just a sentence earlier you acknowledged.
> Fascism obviously did work until it got defeated in a war.
A war that they started mind you.

The only bad thing fascists ever did was picking the wrong allies (Hitler in particular).

Because freedom always wins. Authoritarianism never works.

>Authoritarianism never works.
Which is why Stalin won WW2 huh

Spain wasn't really fascist.

At least not any more fascist than all the post-war de Gaulle style pseudo-dictatorships in Europe.

Capitalism is the reason fascism exists.

When workers begin to organise and there is a real chance of a socialist revolution, the owners of capital will appeal to any force to protect their property and wealth. Fascism is capitalism in decay.

wew. im talking to someone with a head full of spooks

>Authoritarianism never works.
Most of human civilization has been authoritarian throughout history

Integralism?

>you believe in something? it's le spook xD
Literally the most pleb tier non-argument technique this board has ever seen.

>implying the nation isn't a collective ego in and of itself
pleb

That's the marxist explanation of fascism but it falls short because it implies a kind of inevitability. That when capitalism is in distress->fascism happens, but fascism was NEVER an inevitable outcome in either Germany or Italy. It took a number of things happening just right for those parties to climb to power.

>capitalism in decay
Which is why almost all fascist regimes got replaced by actual capitalism after the war. What happened, did the capitalism un-decay itself? All Marxists are dumb.

>collective ego
That's a big spook.

Because Britain was willing to throw away it's empire to destroy it in the face of almost-certain defeat and nothing to gain, until the US joined the war.

Austrian fascism was neutral and wonderful.

Because he chimped out and decided he absolutely had to invade Ethiopia.

It's an ideology stuck in the early 20th century. More so than fascism. Actually unlike commieism fascism could have a revival precisely because it isn't based on failed dogma.

checkmate atheists

They are weak

Plain and simple

He's not wrong you know

Is this bait?

>he thinks eternal peace is impossible
>therefore he must want eternal war

It's basically fueled by butt hurt, but eventually ass pain dies down.

And after 40 years freedom camest to Russia

LET ME TELL YOU
ABOUT FASCISM
>China pays Italy to train part of their air force
>Japs attack
>aircraft scrambled to protect Shanghai
>roughly a third of the pilots crash taking off
>the pilots who reach the air had not been trained to adjust their bomb sights, forcing them to fight at the default altitude
>there's a cloud at that precise altitude
>go lower and end up blowing up a hospital and an amusement park
>over a third of the Italian airforce couldn't fly either, but they said they could anyway because it was easier than fixing things
>lose an entire tank company in Ethiopia because they drove off a cliff single file
Benito "I must unite the Italian peoples under one white flag" Mussolini

False. it existed in other countries long after world war two. Argentina for instance

please elaborate

It didn't work in Italy, because the the country was extremely divided.
It's kinda hard to succeed, if you have to cater to a dozen different interest groups to make sure the country doesn't fall apart.

>conflating mediterranean incompetence and fascism

Peronism isnt fascism. It's much more like a typical authoritarian government.

>all the post-war de Gaulle style pseudo-dictatorships in Europe
the /comfiest/

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Same reason democracy doesn't work. It's relative power given by the people.

>germany and italy
Yeah, declaring war on every large and powerful country on Earth had nothing to do with it.

That's what you get when you follow a political belief that encourages war.

Because you need a common enemy to keep everyone together. If the country is at peace than it will lead to the populace balkanizing into sub-cultures.

Also you gotta reclaim that rightful clay.

it was just a spook covering up a regular dictatorship, one tailored to a developed economy and differing from their communist compatriots somewhat, but still just a dictatorship

Whenever politicians sets up policies that struggle the production of people they shouldn't also be surprised the rate of their revenue, taxes,would be negatively effected.

because Mussolini made the titanic error or being even nominally associated with the eternal Teuton

that theory sure is working out great for sweden

That's a fault of the poor leadership of the administrations, not the ideology. Even the most politically sound ideas can be botched by stupid leaders who don't know how to implement them.

>don't like the idea of a self sufficient country trying to take over the world and genocide all regime undesirables
ftfy

It's a dictatorship that's says you should be happy to live in a dictatorship

Plus collectivism will always be outweighed by individualism

Dialectical materialism is retarded and this comment proves it quite well.

defeated militarily
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I'm not saying anything about the ideology, I'm saying the picture is shit.

Grenade attacks are usually related to organized crime in Sweden. And yeah, immigration does cause terror attacks. Neo-Nazis keep blowing shit up because of it.

Yeah, and organized crime is caused by importing hundreds of thousands of people of a foreign culture to a culturally homogeneous country that had no reason to import people in the first place.

Because it's decaying capitalism

Some are from the Middle East, some are from Africa, some are from Eastern Europe, and some are native to Sweden.

But they did have reason to import them. They work for less money so businesses make more money that way (this isn't necessarily a good reason, but it is a reason). Some of them are also from countries that are currently caught up in horrific wars and they ran away. Other countries take them in because it's considered grossly inhumane to leave people to die.

Yeah, but Sweden lacks any measure of nuance or scale.

I mean, in 2015 they took in 160000 refugees for a population of 9 million.

If the U.S took in the equivalent in percentage population, it would be something like 19 million refugees.

Can you imagine the outrage if the U.S took in that many refugees in one year?

The Swedes are absolutely pathological.

Would you save someone's life if it ruined your nice shoes?

Yes I would.

But what I wouldn't do is attempt to destroy my own functioning society through my naive compassion.

>dont believe in perpetual peace
>now you are advocating for eternal war

liberals are stupid

Pretty sure Germany is a social democracy...

Sweden will make it through it. The best way to fix everything is to stop Saudi Arabia from exporting Salafism thus cutting down on religious nuts.

and how many refugees were in danger from anything related to wars? 0.01%? 0.001%?

they're all opportunists who bring in crime, shitty cultures, shitty genes, drive down the wages, take up jobs, occupy areas where natives don't want to live anymore because they turn them into thirld world shitholes

a people is as good as its nation, bringing in people from failed nations will eventually make yours a failed one

>Sweden will make it through it.

Doesn't seem like it.

The thing is, they don't attempt to do that in any definition of the term "attempt to" (dolus directus 1st grade, 2nd grade, eventualis).

They genuinely belief that they could do more without their whole society's functioning being destroyed.

Maybe it's the US that has lost any sense of scale, being willing to only take in 10.000 refugees from Syria, now none at all, for a population of over 300.000.000, in a conflict they have fanned the flames in through weapon exports and drill personell lending?

The PKS is a very bad tool to analyze the rate of real crime. The LRdKS is much better, because it deals with actually convicted people, rather than people that were simply suspects.

The image is also about 2014, a.k.a. before the refugees crisis.

>and how many refugees were in danger from anything related to wars? 0.01%? 0.001%?
How would you attempt to find out how many people were in real danger? What does "real danger" mean? Is it real danger only if you had died, if you didn't flee? Is it real danger if the bomb landed 100 meters away? Is it real danger if there's a 10% chance your family might be incarcerated and male members never be seen again for speaking out against the regime?

It looks great on paper but doesn't take into account human nature.

2013 was the start of the mass thirld world migration, but it wasn't really until 2014-2015 in which it actually blew up, so the stats would most likely be higher today

suspects works just fine as it still identifies the nationalities of every suspect, they're suspects for a reason

>they're suspects for a reason
Oh, of course they are suspects for a reason. There always is a reason one gives to suspect someone. But the question one has to ask is: Is it a legitimate reason? That's what modern courts try to find out.

Sweden isn't exactly a hellhole. Everyone always freaks out about immigrants but things eventually settle as long as they aren't shoved to the side. Some countries like Canada have programs designed to integrate refugees into their communities which help prevent problems. It isn't perfect, but it helps.

>Everyone always freaks out about immigrants

No, they really don't. Everyone, including mass media especially in Europe, seems to constantly propagandize the glorious benefits of immigration if you ask me, and even cover up crimes done by immigrants because they don't want to fuel anti-immigrant sentiment.

Unfortunately for them, the fact that they cover it up, and don't want to talk about it EXCEPT to parrot the party line, is what precisely what fuels increasing resentment.

What I mean is fear of immigrants has always been a fear. The Americans of English descent thought of Germans as swarthy foreigners with strange ways back in the 19th century. As long they aren't ostracized and shoved into ghettos than they are less likely to cause problems and the descendants of immigrants tend to assimilate after 3 or 4 generations. Only countries that are completely rotten or suffering from some other longstanding problem crumble do to immigrants. Lebanon is a barely functional state and taking in over a million refugees hasn't destroyed them. It isn't a walk in the park but if they can manage it than Sweden can manage it.

>maffia are migrants

In mine country many migrants are part of mafia

>germany.
>White.
No they are not

>The Americans of English descent thought of Germans as swarthy foreigners with strange ways back in the 19th century.
How could they be thought of as swarthy? They have a beautiful pale tone, if they are tan that's because of sun exposure and even then, they look far from swarthy.
And what are those strange ways? These are hard-working, polite, conservative European migrants you're talking about.

How are they not white?

That's not the correct version.

because winning and ruling are not the same thing

>Which is why almost all fascist regimes got replaced by actual capitalism after the war.
That's the point, fascism is actual capitalism.

>What happened, did capitalism un-decay itself?
Yes.

>Plus collectivism will always be outweighed by individualism
That isn't the norm anywhere on the earth except vaguely some parts of the west, even then it's more of a collective individualism.

>That's the point, fascism is actual capitalism
Not true. Heavily influenced by Keynesian economics and corporatism (which isn't the same as corpracy, quite different despite plebs getting the two mixed up) fascism is very different from liberalism and it's economic aspect i.e capitalism.

>How could they be thought of as swarthy? They have a beautiful pale tone, if they are tan that's because of sun exposure and even then, they look far from swarthy.
Because the English are a bunch of unhealthly pasty motherfuckers.

>And what are those strange ways? These are hard-working, polite, conservative European migrants you're talking about.
Because a lot of them didn't speak English until WWI because it was possible to have entire towns made up of people of German descent. Plus a lot of them were Catholic and everyone knows you can't trust a Catholic because they listen to the Pope.

Sweden will not be Sweden in 3 generations.