I'm no holocaust denier but one thing i can't understand is why it's impossible to find any definitive order of the...

You're on the wrong side of history

As a German I can confirm. I totally am.

Because termination of the Jews was the only logical conclusion that follows from National Socialism. It wasn't even in question what needed to be done, since National Socialist culture at all steps appealed to a "pure race", the "necessity of gaining and cleansing new Lebensraum" and painted Jewry as a "destructive bazillum" (t. Hitler in Mein Kampf).
And what do you have to do with an alleged destructive bazillus? Obviously, you have to terminate it. Just displacing it would just "lead to a new infection in the future", as a training manual for the National Socialist program openly says (Schulungsgrundlagen für die Reichsthemen der NSDAP für das Jahr 1941/42).

When there is a consensus, there doesn't need to be a debate. The intricacies are left to the respective organizations. Which those are was the point of the Wannsee Conference. At the time the conference was, the Holocaust had already started with Gas Wagons in the east.

>someone hears /pol/ talking points
>wants to understand and disprove them
There's literally nothing wrong with this.

>"destructive bazillum"
bazillus*

(literally, he says: "schädlicher Bazillus")

That's bullshit though, again, who cares its the obvious ideology, where are the damn plans to build the camps and kill them, you need literal plans still.

What's your opinion on the refugee crisis?

He could be someone like me who finds aspects of the story suspicious, but isn't hugely confident about the issue and would like more information.
For example, I think that most of the deaths were probably starvation and that there probably weren't that many. That the main purpose of the camps was internment, and that the 6 (points of the star on the David) million is a suspicious number. However, I don't know a lot about the situation, and part of my skepticism comes from knowing how influential Jews are in pursuits of the mind like politics and humanities, and how even in non humanities subjects like science there are heavy penalties for discussing human biological diversity, particularly when it appears to conform to "racism" (as nebulous as that term is - a sort of negative motte and bailey). It may well be that it's true, but it just doesn't line up with things like mischlings in the Wehrmacht and Hitler's Jewish chauffeur. Pro-German partisans carrying out pogroms I can believe, rounding up Jews and making life bad for them, internment, but the genocide bit doesn't make sense to me with Auschwitz having a Women's Orchestra for camp morale, and people supposedly being told what was going on by Polish intelligence, then the narrative only coming out after the war.
I'm also skeptical of a trial run with the USSR that included gerrymandered terms like "genocide" to play down the USSR's killings and killing Rosenberg for writing a book. I also know the Brits used beating and fake execution on German officers during the war to extract information, and that those testifying may have been doing so to save their own skin.
Then there's the constant and shameless lying done by Jews in the post-war world and the milking of the holocaust to do whatever they want and make white people do as they're told. I don't know if that's a reaction to getting genocided, or if the genocide was made up because Jews are like that, or if it's somewhere in the middle.

That is moving the goal post from "where is the order?" to "where are construction plans?"

Funnily, that new goal is much easier to hit.

>you need literal plans still.
They discovered literally the construction plans of Auschwitz in 2008. There's all sorts of plans we still have. You clearly aren't looking hard enough.

There isn't any one document saying literally "we are going to kill all the Jews in Europe."

However, and even considering that many documents were destroyed by the Nazis, we have:

>Orders from Auschwitz for crematory ovens capable of burning thousands of people a day
>Aktion Reinhard documentation that tells officers to shut the fuck up regarding the process of deportation to the Reinhard camps and forbidding entirely photography inside these camps, a restriction which was never applied to any of the other Holocaust camps
>Plenty of other documents mentioning the "special treatment" of Jews and how top secret such treatment was
>Himmler speech outright admitting the Jews were being exterminated

But oh well, no written order saying explicitly "kill all Jews" was found. And since no written order saying "kill all Armenians" was found either, the Armenians weren't genocided either.

(Cont)
I certainly find it suspicious that it's the only historical event in NATO that it's illegal to talk about, at the same time as criticising Jews is also illegal. I also lean more towards the "Jews will make up anything" angle after seeing Jews be the most fluent and unashamed liars on other subjects, and given their abismal reputation throughout history as essentially high class gypsies. Gypsies with an education, who have been kicked out of more than 100 places. That indicates that the problem in thinking is not do much anti-semitism making up stereotypes as anti-Goyism aggravating host populations.
What think you?

To the SS and Gestapo: please commence Operation Holocaust. t. Adolf Hitler
>this is how stormfags believe genocides happen

Btw look up the Wansee protocols.

>execute order 6 million

>NATO that it's illegal to talk about
It's illegal to claim it didn't happen, it's not illegal to criticise the research towards it, or talking about it.

> denies the holocaust based on meme-tier pol talking points
> wishes it happened anyway

I'm not saying I wished it happened. I learn more NRx than Pol.

That doesn't make me a huge amount less skeptical, but thank you for informing me.

Complicated matter. Opening the borders was wrong. Refugees have to go to a neigbouring country. Syria is no neighbour of Germany. The right to ayslum is a good thing. Hardly anyone currently coming to Germany has a right to asylum because war is not a personal persecution.
Fuck America for their imperialistic bullshit stirring up that corner of the earth time and again and making us pay for these shenanigans. Fuck Great Britain for pussying out after laying the seeds for the whole middle east disaster 100 years ago.

The Nizkor Project has a nice FAQ on most Holocaust denier talking points. It should clear up some of the questions you have:
nizkor.org/qar-complete.cgi

I mean, getting kicked out of somewhere approximately once every 20 years is a bit suspicious. At some point, that's probably not other people's problem.

Thanks. Will read.

Fuck off kike

non practicing lutheran with pure aryan heritage into the 1790s. Fuck off Untermensch.

How come a Persian become a Lutheran?

I'm a guy who just had a history class where we watched a video which re-enacted when the Germans planned the holocaust based off secret evidence of German officers talking, but i was confused because at no point during the video did the German officers say "Lets get all the Jews into big camps and gas them". It was just 40 minutes of vague allusions to jews being dicks who need to go away.

>"where is the order?" to "where are construction plans?"
What's the difference? You can't construct all of that without orders. And i dont mean the literal plans of the base i mean the plans to carry it out.

I'm using nazi speak here my friend and refer to the Ariernachweise of my family.
If a Persian wanted to become Lutheran, baptism would do the trick.

>you do not need the money

That's where you're wrong, goy

>displacing it would just "lead to a new infection in the future"

What is the Haavara Agreement.