How did the arabs get BTFO so badly by a newly born small country with barely an Army?

he's right though! i'm not sure what he said had to do with the question but his facts are right!

The Jews were better organized and much, much better motivated.

not to mention bulk of what to become Israeli army comes from professionally trained ex terrorists organisation such as Irgun, Lehi, etc.

Not true.

Before Israel was founded, Jewish settlers relies on these groups to settle the land, they're extremely trained and experienced in guerrilla warfare and terrorism, due to conflict with the local population long before the war
They pretty much merged with IDF and become the dominant forces in Israeli military and government later on, They're political predecessor of Likud, the current Israel leading party, many of its leaders become central figure of Israeli government, such as menachem begin, the ex leader of Irgun, became the sixth prime minister of Israel

>Jewish settlers relies on these groups to settle the land, they're
yeah not really
>become the dominant forces in Israeli military and government later o
yeah not really

meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-wars

Anyway this thread is reminding me of when everyone thought the IDF was hot shit. That changed in 1991. Then the Americans rolled over the largest and best equipped army in the history of the Arab World in four days while inflicting over 100 times the casualties they took. At that point everyone realized they (the IDF), rather than being super soldiers, were pretty much just a decent army fighting a bunch of retards.

not an argument

There was no Zionist goal to either expand the boundaries of the new state or expel the Arab population.
>t. ahmed

>Hitler dismissed the United States as a mongrel society6 and consequently underestimated the impact of America's entry into the war.

Stopped reading there, it's bullshit derived by people who've read mein kampf but not zweites busch.

>b-b-but why would I read hitler seriously!

If you're going to make a claim, at least try to make sure you're not spewing bullshit.

>conflating the 10x larger haganah with it's tiny offshoots.
pure drivel

better arms, better motivation, better training, existing militia networks, shorter supply and communication lines

it's not as much of a mystery as people make out

ironically yom kippur in 1973, which was a stalemate, was more impressive from a military point of view than any of israel's decisive victories in its other wars

>new state
This was before the Israel even formed, the one they expel is the local Arab population, how do you think they maintain Jewish majority in the first place?

not an argument

the point is what would become Israel soldiers and civilian settlers are extremely trained, long before the war

>, how do you think they maintain Jewish majority in the first place?
before the arab states invaded they had a territorially smaller state with borders drawn by the UN that was majority Jewish. The Jewish agency accepted that offer.

The three arabian armies except Palestine that sent soldiers were expeditionary forces. Weak ones at that.

Those smaller state are made in ex Palestinian land

Its important to note that they didn't become majority in one night, Jewish migrants comes since 1900, they did create new cities, but these cities itself are usually extension of older Palestinian city they settled to like Tel Aviv to Jaffa for ex.

underrated post

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There were a number of experienced paramilitary organizations that merely stopped being underground insurgencies like the Palmach. There were shortages but the Israelis were fairly well prepared in terms of firearms and ammunition because they had been stocking them up underground for years. When I was last in Israel I went to a museum to the first arab israeli war that was in a commune that was secretly an underground armory where they had making sten guns and bullets for years before the war began.

The key factor though was that none of the arab nations (most of which themselves were quite young) had anything even close to resembling a modern military at that time and were easily routed.

superior military prowess of G_d's chosen

there was no 'Palestinian' land at that time. Those 'Palestinian' cities are in fact Jewish, Caananite, Philistine, Phoenician, and Greek.

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not an argument.

How far do want to go?
By your definition there's no Arabs in north ME, only assyrians, Egyptians, Phoenicians, Babylonians, etc. not to mention half of the ethnic you mention already extinct long before Islam even exist, the people who lives there are the same people who've been living there since centuries, they've just arabised

local people who lives there (whoever you want to call them) do get evicted and replaced by Jewish migrants, and they do call themselves "filistin" btw

They never called themselves Filistin before really the aftermath of the 6 day war and certainly not before the formation of the modern Israeli state. They were Arabs. Before 1948 Palestinian meant Jewish.

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also not an argument.

this thread is about how israel was able to win the first arab israeli war, if you want to talk about the plight of muslim civilians during that conflict go make a thread about it

>Nazis
>1948

M8 im pretty sure the Nazi remnant garrison in Antarctica and the Odessa agents in Argentina couldn't funnel anything to the Israelis

Yes they do, you do realise that Arabs are extremely diverse? with each region have their own distinct identity, even Coptics and Assyrians and some Berbers are included as Arab?

Saying 'they're all Arabs' is the same as saying 'they're all europeans' in EU context, its stupid

Because of the eternal anglo

Of course there's diversity in the Arab world, but the Arabs in the Southern levant never identified themselves as 'Palestinian' until it became a useful propaganda phrase to oppose Israel.

An argument would require two opposing ideas of equal value. To argue with a fool either elevates his position or diminishes your own.

Israel didn't have Western support in 1948.

t. Abdul

but they do, even the Ottomans called them that, though tbf it became widely used after the British mandate, traditionally, Filistin identity is one of the smaller cultural entity that makes up the larger Syam/Levants culture, of course its no longer relevant after colonial partition

>even the Ottomans called them that
source?
>though tbf it became widely used after the British mandate,
the British wanted a neutral name for a territory they carved out that had no relation to pre-existing Ottoman administrative divisions.

Anyone giving any answers ITT other than "massive western funding, technology, and training" is a zionist desperately trying to prove that the jews are God's chosen people and that's why they won.

In reality, that's ridiculous. Take away the massive western support and Israel falls in a couple years flat.

Israel is basically a client state of the United States and Britain and they never would have accomplished anything without them.

t. /pol/

LOL he actually believes this. I guess the entire mass migration in the first place was nothing but the sweat on their backs right?

Oh right, every dime they used to start up the country in the first place came from the allies, and oh right the entire operation was an Allied post-ww2 strategic operation to gain a foothold in the middle east.

oh right and all the "jews" were a bunch of westerners in the first place.

palestine-studies.org/sites/default/files/jq-articles/48_Shifting_Ottoman_2.pdf

Some sourcing on any of that would be nice Abdul

your source actually proves me entirely correct if you had bothered to read it.

Nice namecalling. Now try with some arguments, retard.

what massive western support

there you go offended stormweanie

What i meann is that the Anglos were against the Jews.

What do you mean by "BTFO"? Current size of Israel is miserable and i highly doubt about further expansion.

Israel only received mainstream western support from 1967 onwards, and even then, no US soldiers actually came en masse to help Israel like they did for South Korea or South Vietnam.

Meanwhile, the Arabs had mainstream British support in 1948. The Jordanian Arab legion was commanded by British officers and fought with British weapons. Afterwards, the soviets supported the Arabs. During the War of Attrition, Israeli and Soviet planes clashed with each other.

Tldr: Israel has survived by its own willpower and people can't accept this so they must make up shit

>How did the arabs get BTFO so badly by a newly born small country with barely an Army?
because they were also newly born nations with barely an army?
most of those countries have like 3 major cities, size is inflated because of desert you also included countries that were still occupied in your stupid infograph
>arabs had british support
>balfour declaration
>Rothschild sponsored immigration
that other guy was right, you all are really trying to push this holy outnumbered jew fantasy
western support got you there, and western support is keeping you there, there was no miracle just better training, weapons and money

>Arabs were backed by the Soviets,
The jews were backed by the USSR

The Balfour Declaration was in 1917. Citing that as evidence of that the Brits supported the Jews in the Israeli War of Independence is equivalent to claiming that Donald Trump wants to bomb Vietnam because Lyndon Johnson did.

Can you prove to me that the Jordan Arab Legion wasn't commanded by British officers? That they didn't use British weapons? As for the Egyptians, what aircraft were they using against the Israelis? Are spitfires not British aircraft?

And if Britain was so supportive of Israel, then why did the Israelis have to make arms underground or later smuggle arms from the Czech Republic while the Arabs had plenty of British made arms already? Why did Britain ban Jews from moving to the Mandate of Palestine? Why did groups like Irgun have to fight a guerilla war against the British if Britain was so pro Jewish as you claim?

>Rothschild sponsored immigration

I'm not seeing how this has anything to do with Britain or mainstream British support? The Rothschilds were Jewish, so of course they would support the right to Jewish self determination and self rule as should all Jews.

And lastly, this

>being this assblasted

haganah and likud are not the same thing idiot.

>the point is what would become Israel soldiers and civilian settlers are extremely trained, long before the war
no it was only one of your points. you were also saying that likud was a major presence in settling areas, when, in fact, it was a tiny group alienated from the haganah. Also what does "extremely trained" mean? It makes them sound as if they're supersoldiers when in reality they faced a badly trained opponent.

How could 6 millions of jews get killed by a few dozens of camp guards?

>balfour declaration
you realize this was controversial and not accepted by all of the british political establishment, right?
>Rothschild sponsored immigration
go back to your shithole

your logic is basically the same as its flawed and misses the point

you people seem to be obsessed with seeing your military victory as signifigant or even miraculous when it wasnt

it was the result of a long effort that was part of an even longer campaign to destabalize the region.

Firstly going back to the 1920s, massives waves of skilled immigrants to the lands of palestine was a calculated effort needed to pull of the 1948 victory, they werent farmers, but people with a special set of skills. Pulling this off required the cooperation of major western powers which wasnt hard because of jewish money and influence.

Secondly you brought up the nazis, this mightve been a turning point because this gave the smokescreen of a just cause and movement which garnered even more support for the jewish uprising, the ottomans are gone, palestine is british clay, immigration is easier and with the support of the crown, and jewish terrorism, the arab population becomes displaced.
Thirdly, actual military and tactical support, it wasnt an issue of motivation as the arabs were stirred on by the brits to overthrow the ottomans to reform the united arab nation, it was a difference in money, training weapons and positioning. From early US support, to czech and soviet weaponry this was probably one of the first big proxy wars of the cold war, and ironically the US and SU(first country to recognize it) were playing, and paying for the same team.

Did the palestinians have british support during the war? yes. Did the arabs have french support and weaponry? yes. Were they more advanced than the jews? no. Did the jews enjoy western support? yes. Were they weak holocaust victims? no.

They exist now because the west needs them to. Unfortunately they know that and take liberties with everything because of it.

Who claims that?

what evidence is there that they were planning for war as early as the 1920s?

I tried but I can't read you post. Have you considered capital letters?

heh
what evidence do you have that suggests that the west hasn't been trying to get a foothold there for thousands of years? I can point to quite a few crusades and expeditions that say otherwise, WW1 was just a perfect storm of excuses to get white people back controlling the Holy land. They couldn't do it for hundreds of years because of the ottomans, so naturally when they were out of the way and the axis was defeated, their true imperial intentions came to light.

You're not gonna find much in the way of official declarations and such, because that's how jews work, but they had the best technology available straight from US engineers and scientists. They won those wars because it was basically the modern US army vs a bunch of Arabs armed with old tech.

t. ahmed

American actually.

I find it annoying that our client state is allowed to rewrite history like they don't owe us everything.

they were created by western support

these are the same people that are actually taught that the Moses story is true.

This is why separation of church and state is essential, a state religion is retarded, and your backwards Sheppard morality has no place in the modern era.

To actually expect the jews to show even some semblance of gratitude towards their western allies is asking too much of the jew, who cannot possibly comprehend that he and his people are not the center of the universe and are not infallible because they were "chosen." This kind of fanatic insanity wouldn't fly anywhere else but Israel.

>Nazi remnant garrison in Antarctica

You mean under Antarctica ofc.

>remnant

>kibbutzes

You know I could have sworn the Talmud forbids Jews from working the land. That said this is my fetish.

>What I love about image boards like this is that it attracts many confident idiots and you get to read their genuine opinions. Better than any comedy show, just knowing someone out there is that retarded is enough comedy you really make me feel good. Thanks user

What I love about image boards like this is that it attracts many confident idiots and you get to read their genuine opinions. Better than any comedy show, just knowing someone out there is that retarded is enough comedy you really make me feel good. Thanks user.

Anyone who believes in the holocaust

>jewish farmers

The original Palestinian Jews were long gone, the Jews who moved to Israel were rich American bankers who didn't even know how to hold a shovel.

Daddy USA helped them

The Palestinian Mandate had a lot of people coming in after WW2 who were combat veterans. A lot of Jewish Palestinians also fought directly for the British in that same war. Combined with the already well established presence of the Haganah and Irgun, proto-Israel already had a well-established militia apparatus that was more than capable of beating back the militias of the Arab Palestinians.

The idea that the US armed these people is a myth. Most of the arms shipped to the Israelis came from the Soviet Union; they fought with Czech weapons. The US could have easily done so, and were more than willing, except a UN mandate forbade any western aid to either side of the conflict. It's worth mentioning that the British wanted to aid the Arabs, but didn't, because of that same UN mandate. The US would only have aided the Israelis if the British aided the Arabs.

It also might be worth mentioning that exiled officers from the defunct Waffen-SS often served as advisors in Arab armies. So did British officers. If you've ever dreamed of a world where the Nazis were on the same side as the British, well, dream no more.

>muh motivation
If the Arabs lacked motivation, why are they so fucking assblasted about Israel now? Shouldn't they be apathetic?

The brits were selling arms to Egypt, but Israel had the backing of the United states.

>The arab leaders at the time thought it would be easy because of muh numerical superiority
Actually, they only commit a fraction of their forces to the war since the leadership thought Israel could easily be defeated

Israel was backed loosely by the USSR in 1948 via Czechoslovakia. It wasn't huge support though.

However by 1956 the Soviets dropped all pretense of supporting Israel in preference of Nasser because they liked his anti-imperialist stance.

West had an embargo on Israel in 1948 bro.

US aid to Israel didn't even become significant until the 1970s by which point they had already won their biggest victories.

Also the Arabs recieved far more aid from the Soviets in the 1950s-1970s period than the Israeli's did from the US. The Soviets even sent their own forces to fight for the arabs which caused incidents like pic related. There were 50,000 Soviet troops in Egypt in the late 1960s not only advising but also manning air defense stations and piloting aircraft. Israel has never gotten this level of help from the US.

Arabs
>Poor interarms, interagency, and international coordination
>Most sent garbage soldiers
>All wanted a piece of that Palestine pie

Zionist
>Massive western support
>Holocaust Motivation +10
>Fantastic communication and coordination

A splendid little war. Clean cut objectives. One side met them, the others didn't.

>They exist now because the west needs them to.

Frankly, the globalists in NYC, London and Geneva would love to get rid of Israel. That's why George Soros funds so much pro-Palestinian groups.

Israel is quickly becoming a pariah state like Rhodesia and South Africa under apartheid. Their only allies are U.S. neoconservatives and European right-wing populists, which isn't much impressive.

So you pulled it out of your ass, ok, nice to know. Reply to me once you can back your claims with sources more reputable than the hole you shit from.

Because the greatest Warriors of the Arab race weren't present.

>The original Palestinian Jews were long gone, the Jews who moved to Israel were rich American bankers who didn't even know how to hold a shovel.

>Ahmeds believe that

Goy support. The jews did not migrate and settle in Israel on their own merit; they had help, lots of help, to move and secure their foothold in the middle east.

Also it is wrong to say that Israel and jews are "tough" and that they "BTFO" the arab muslims easily because they are superior because if that were remotely true then maybe 6 million would not have died recently.

Because it was mainly just egypt + some other small irrelevant countries without much power occasionally helping them vs israel backed by the biggest western powers

lol, palis are so desperate

>There was no Zionist goal to either expand the boundaries of the new state or expel the Arab population.

You kikes shouldn't always assume us goys don't know about your plan for Greater Israel... Plus your borders did nothing but grow.

if they had motivation they would've actually come together to defeat the israelis with their massive numerical advantage combined with their soviet hand outs which were just as effective as what the israelis had until the 70's.

but nah, they just they went about trying to fuck each other over so yeah they lacked motivation

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