Underrated Roman Emperors

>Hadrian
>Top tier

>Trajan
>Overrated

Wow, just wow.

So the guy who sets THE precedence of a defensive Rome which increased the chances of wars due to the fact that they left enemies at their borders is some how "gr8"? The true greats are those that persevere under extreme difficulty, an eliminate problems. Trajan was a problem exterminator. Shoved Gladius' up the ass of both Dacians and Parthians.

So let's throw those emperor's who inherited a nice clean empire and easily kept it that way down into the:

>No you don't get a thank you, it's your fucking job.
Tier.

Hadrian fucking sucked. Completely gave up the momentum to the enemy which allowed slow recuperation.

Trajan's expansions east did nothing but fuck the Empire in the long term, pulling troops off of the Rhine which allowed the germanic tribes to get restless, plus decentralize powers of the emperor because he didn't want to actually govern anything and delegated more and more powers to the Senate and the provincial governors.

All to expand east into territory that was too far to be governed or defended just because he wanted to play Alexander. The conquest of Persia ended up costing more than it was ever worth.

And it was Hadrian who had to fix this mess, taking powers back from the Senate causing enmity, pull the troops back where they belonged on the Rhine and Danube, and actually go about the business of governing.

Yea, fuck Trajan. He's overrated and you've only proved that point.

>Nero
>Misunderstood
What the fuck, he killed my ancestors.

Add Elagabalus to the ''Holy fuck what an asshole tier'' and it's fine.

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They were probably fags anyway

Agreed

I like Diocletian and Julian. I'm interested to see what Julian could have done given a longer reign. He seemed to be one of those people who were able to accomplish anything they wanted and do it well. I mean, as long as he remembered a fucking breastplate.

>muh long term
WRONG.

security means pacification of rival nations and obedience to the state, which Trajan was clearly fucking attempting to do, unlike Hadrian.

>muh decentralize powers of the emperor
WRONG.

Are you some kind of boot licking cuck? Have you seen what Nero or Caligula, or muthafucking Elagabalus can do? No one man should have all that power.

Second off, delegation of responsibility is what managers actually, literally fucking do and is taught today. Good job not knowing THAT!

>muh expand east into territory that was too far to be governed
WRONG.

You're just parroting what that spineless coward Hadrian said. Did he not literally build a wall across Britain? LOL do these things ever fucking work when not guarding a city? Now he spends money guarding it instead of pacifying people to become new citizens. Oh and thanks to letting the Parthians live, they became the Persians.

Guess who comes after Persia to wreck the Roman world by way of holy war? Talk about "LONG TERM" right. Are those your words?

>muh taking powers back from the Senate causing enmity
WRONG.

HAHAHAHA! Hadrian just fucking caused a problem (enmity) and you think it's Trajan's fault? Man, I tried to avoid directly purposely insulting you, but you are fucking stupid.

>muh pull the troops back where they belonged on the Rhine and Danube
WRONG.

Why not say pull them back to Illyria, Africa, Asia minor, and some where in central Hispania? Why not pull them back to fucking Italy???

There is no logic to say "pull them back." The only question you should be asking is "are there still threats to the roman state?"

Yeah fuck you. You really don't know shit about managing.

>Majorian
>Hadrian
Nice guys, not competent enough though, don't deserve to be on the same tier as Augustus, who is in a league of his own, that wasn't matched by anyone.
It's weird how there is no ''good'' tier in your list, because this is where those two would fit perfectly in.
>Caracalla
Doesn't deserve to share a spot with Commodus and Caligula, he wasn't amazing and started trouble before his death, but he couldn't know he would've been killed while taking a piss, so we can't judge how good a commander he was, but the army loved him, and he also created the Constitutio Antoniniana so he deserves to be on a ''okay'' or at least ''meh'' tier, Severus Alexander also reigned longer than he did, yet is on the ''died too soon'' tier.
>Nero
Okay at first, a pure tyrant later on, deserves to be on the same tier as Caligula and Commodus
>Domitan
Tyrant, what do you find so misunderstood about him?
>Tiberius
Completely incompetent, a pedophile and lazy, all he did was perserve the granary's. A perfect example of a shit tier Emperor.
>Claudius
Not underrated at all.

>decentralizing power is bad
Nigger, Rome was rife with civil war because people wanted all that power. Trajan saw how absolute power would destroy a state and sought to keep people satisfied by delegating power back.

You're so retarded if you think absolute monarchies are any good. For every golden age where a capable and energetic emperor reigned, you had several ages of civil strife and internal struggle due to incompetent and lazy rulers that failed to control the bloated empire.

Which is the reason why the Senate absolutely loved people like Trajan, but hated people like Tiberius, who went full Monarchy on the Roman Empire.

They will make the Emperors they loved seem really great, but will portray the ones they disliked in a really negative light.

>Tiberius
Domitian*

Majorian did more than Augustus did personally, and his army was about 5% of the size.

Agrippa was the only impressive thing about Augustus.

>muh cabbages

Commodus should be in "Led to the Empire's Destruction" Tier

Augustus beat all his enemies, and was loved by absolutely everyone, there is nothing he did wrong.
Majorian did all he could, but it wasn't enough, again, he would fit perfectly in a good/great tier, but Augustus was in a category of his own, and it is universally agreed upon that he was the best Emperor in the Roman Empire.

>Nothing he did wrong

He should have had a son and set up a proper succession system.

You can't do something wrong if you haven't attemped it.

Poor Tiberius. Was forced to divorce his wife to marry that whore. He saw his ex wife and followed her home, crying and asking for her forgiveness. 2000 years later and it still makes me cringe.

Claudius gets the no respect gold medal by far.

He married Messalina who was a well known nymphomaniac, and cucked the emperor to oblivion.

Man it was so bad the senate decreed damnatio memoriae.

When discussing who the best emperor is, it's very common to see Claudius being mentioned.

Elly goes into the "it's not a mental illness it's who i am cis scum" tier

Hardian makes a better husband and lover than an emperor though

>Elly
Elagabalus?
>"it's not a mental illness it's who i am cis scum"
Oh boy
>throws snakes into crowds of people during gladiator battles
>uses naked women to chariot him around while he whips them
>put his guests on a water-wheel and had them consequently drown
>threw gold into the streets as to watch people kill each other over it
>disguised rocks as food among other things so that his guests would bite into them
>let leopards and lions attack his guests after their meal or while they were asleep
>referred to the senators as ‘slaves in togas’
>had 51 tigers killed after his wedding, only to throw his wife out almost immediately after
>married a vestal virgin (Aquilia) two years later in order to have 'godlike children' with her
>soldiers were revolted at the sight of him
>selected candidates for high office based on the size of their junk
>had massive sacrifices made every day in his honor and forced senators to watch
>read the future using childrens entrails
>wanted a cook to refer to him as lady
>threw the cook out shortly after because he couldn't get aroused on demand
>referred to a slave (Hierocles) as his 'husband' and ordered Hierocles to beat him
>opened up a brothel, was a prostitute there, holla'd at passerby's at the entrance, whilst being completely naked
>alienated the roman people by enacting Elagabal as chief deity of the roman pantheon
>wasted the roman treasury on building temples, baths and summer-houses for himself
>locked a lion, a monkey and a snake together in the temple and threw the genitals of his executed enemies at them

>Constantine
>Good
Shit list

>i want to be Caligula but worse

seriously how did it take more than 10 days to get this fag stabbed

Constantine was no saint:

> Have a brilliant son named Crispus
> Allow yourself to be manipulated into executing him after a few highly spurious accusations from your second wife, so as to allow her own son to become the successor in his stead
> Post execution, your mom intercedes on behalf of Crispus
> "Oh well, I guess I'd better kill my wife too"

He was never one to stop and consider matters

You can add Pertinax to the died too soon list. Good job on remembering Severus though- seemed like a cool guy

If Severus hadn't been mommy's little beta bitch the legions wouldn't have murdered him.

Julian though was a tragedy.

I find Nero gets too much shit because of (((Tacitus))) and his exaggerations