If the war would have never happened and Nazi Germany would continue to exist relatively peacefully...

Probably like how we view Francisco Franco today

When does that timeline divert from actual history?

somewhere in the 1930s I guess

Obviously because in the 20s he wasn't the reichskanzler and in the 40s the war was already fought. But is it after remilitarizing the Rhineland, after Anschluss, is it after annexing the Sudetenland, after anschlussing Memel...?

>If the war would have never happened
The war still happens, it just happens somewhere around 1942-3 and the Soviets fire the first shots.

>Red Army ready for offensive
>1940s

1950s earliest

I'm assuming in this hypothetical the holocaust never happened?
If so, I believe Hitler would have gone down as the Atatürk of Germany.

After either Sudetenland or Memel

The thing I want to know is would Nazi Germany survive without Hitler? Hitler was the one guy holding it together since he could single handedly whip the country into a hyper nationalistic frenzy, if some much less charismatic person like Himmler or Hess or someone took over, how quickly would it fall apart? The USSR basically entered a major leadership crisis after Stalin died and by the 80s the people didn't give a flying fuck about the communist cause anymore.

judgement of statesmen tends to be based on results

Eh, there would still be chances of the Holocaust happening

Stalin thought he'd be ready for war in '43 before Germany invaded in '41. I doubt the Soviets wouldn't be ready before '45.

Hitler would likely name a successor and it would probably be Heydrich. Stalin never did.

He would have been seen as a master of diplomacy and the country's greatest hero. At the same time he would have been seen as a man of peace for not further reintegrating provinces perceived as German.

>Heydrich
That guy was a Jewish looking beta with none of Hitler's charisma.

Compare this: youtube.com/watch?v=qtb1nBtheZM
To this: youtube.com/watch?v=vMS-yAF4UwM (ignore the sentimental music, it's pretty powerful even without it)

>That guy was a Jewish looking beta with none of Hitler's charisma
So what? He was one of Hitler's favorites and young enough to actually be a successor.

You're missing the point which is Heydrich wouldn't be able to mobilize the nation for the cause like Hitler did.

>That guy was a Jewish looking beta with none of Hitler's charisma.
He speaks decent German though compared to that overly Prussian staccato snarling so popular at that time.

Hitler spoke like an Austrian/Bavarian, he didn't sound Prussian at all.

He wouldn't need to. He's not running for election during the Depression. He's an appointed successor who only needs to make sure everything continues to run smoothly. If the man can orchestrate the death of six million jews efficiently with no backlash, I'm pretty sure he can ensure that the trains will still run on time.

I know what you mean but I am talking about the style, not his voice and underlying accent/melody. That style accentuates rolled Rs and makes heavy use of short breaks emphasizing every point and sub-point. I may associate this with Prussia because I mainly heard military types talk like that.

>rollled Rs
Why don't more Germans roll their Rs? It sounds manly as fuck and not rolling it is the reason why English and French sound so gay. There are even dialects in England that are non-rhotic which sounds outright comical.

Frisians and Franks do that. Even when speaking high German. It's kinda cute.
For all others it sounds pretentious and not manly as fuck but like roleplaying a nazi.
It survived a little longer in theater and spoken word performing
youtube.com/watch?v=E2SOGCbXD5M

What makes you think Soviets would be ready after 3rd P'atiletka? It had expanded the military substantially, but it did not made them ready for a total war against what was believed to be the most powerfull military on Earth.

Germany probably would've just collapsed right back into a million pieces just like post-Napoleon Central Europe, and we'd be left with a second Balkan Quagmire as people use the collapse as a casus belli for the inevitable war with the Soviet Union a la Crimea.

Realistically, it would be some time before the war reached Germany. Soviets would carve their way through the Baltics and Poland first. At this point, all the Soviets really needed to do was kick their industry into gear for the war. The only thing I'd worry about is Soviet grand strategy being capable of actually working without the time necessary for them to work out the kinks into Deep Battle.

>At this point, all the Soviets really needed to do was kick their industry into gear for the war.
Which would take some time if they were not invaded. For example RA's logistics would suck major ass without the land lease.