I was raised Episcopalian but I'm considering joining the Catholic church. I'm pretty far left of center as far as political and social beliefs go, so I find it hard to reconcile my personal beliefs with those of the papacy (and I imagine most Catholics are very conservative).
>considering joining the Catholic Church >I'm pretty far left You're going to the right place. Please stay away from Christian churches.
Logan Scott
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David Smith
Don't listen to this guy, Francis is increasingly being opposed and he's in his 80s. The Church is still very traditional. I won't call it "conservative," because that implies it lies somewhere on the post-Enlightenment political spectrum. The Church does not lie on this spectrum. The Church is more than a millennium older than this spectrum, and thus does not fit on it.
Samuel Thompson
Classic conservative answer. Avoid being associated with the "right wing" because it's seen as stupid, so instead say your ideology "transcends" the bipartisan spectrum. >I'm pretty far left of center as far as political and social beliefs go Do you actually believe in the supernatural claims of Christianity? Or are you just trying to adjust it into base liberation theology, thinking it was all about class struggle?
>15 You shall not pervert judgement; you shall not be partial to the poor, nor defer to the great: with justice you shall judge your neighbor. Leviticus 19:15
Noah Fisher
I believe in the statements of the Nicene Creed and the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist.
Jordan Nguyen
You are a liar. Stay away from Christianity, but feel free to join Catholicism.
David White
And furthermore I believe that even though the Bible contains enormous truth and continues to speak to people today in many ways, it needs to be considered holistically, not just as an entire text but also within the context of Judaism and the early Church. It's too easy to take a verse or two and use it to justify whatever position you hold.
Sebastian Adams
Catholics are the most ridiculous heretics and idolaters imaginable, worshipping bread and wine.
Logan Cooper
>Classic conservative answer. Avoid being associated with the "right wing" because it's seen as stupid, so instead say your ideology "transcends" the bipartisan spectrum.
But Catholicism does transcend the left-right matrix. It supports certain policies that are very far to the left, and certain policies that are very far to the right, and they're all of a piece.
Levi Sanchez
Are you willing to accept that, although the developed world may be the cause of a significant amount of their miseries; the developing world may be dead wrong, even dangerously immoral, on some issues? That homosexuals are naturally gay; but cannot have gay sex at anytime, nor get married, without falling into grave sin? That abortion is always a grave sin, and is deliberate murder if the mother's life isn't threatened? That one cannot truly be moral without a loving relationship with the Trinitarian God? That socialism and collectivism of all kinds must be renounced, in favor of the ideal society being founded on distributism? That the Holy Spirit guides the actions of the Pope, thus making him incapable of falling into error in matters of theology and social teaching? That although all have a duty to help foreigners and refugees, all nations have the right to exist; even the disgusting white ones who commit nothing but the crimes of murder, theft, and clay stealing? That Jesus never did or said anything immoral at anytime?
Colton Nguyen
>even the disgusting white ones
Easton Flores
oh look another idiot who thinks Christians are Jews. Jesus dealt unfairly in favor of the poor, and his word overrides the law.
Angel Ross
Kinda like national socialism ?
James Ramirez
Hitler was a catholic
Carson Gonzalez
I've no idea what you're trying to go for, but I can already tell youre wrong.
Nathan Ramirez
lmao
Kayden Barnes
This is correct. The Catholic Church does not quite fit on any political spectrum because it defines specific ideals and parameters and uses whatever works to arrive at that point.
You'd think everyone and everywhere would do this, but with sports team politics between left and right have caused irreparable harm to political discourse in general. You get a lot of people who are willing to support one side for the reason they don't like the other rather than because their beliefs align with the side they support.
Lincoln Cook
>I'm pretty far left of center as far as political and social beliefs go Like a Christian Socialist?
Jaxon Cox
lol
Michael Johnson
>Article says "Gay people should be embraced by the Catholic Church" >Article goes on to say the Pope is telling Catholic stop harassing and threatening gay people as the call to holiness is to hate the sin, not the sinner. >Also says not to excuse or rationalize the sin as well.
>Conservatives upset the pope is urging restraint at all. >Liberals mad he's not saying their lifestyle is ok.
It's literally the best of both worlds, everyone's mad with one regular statement.
Joseph Diaz
How about just do what the bible tells you instead of caring about which political group you're gonna please fucktwat?
I swear Catholics can't think without worldly political calculations, that's why one day they are nazis and the very next day they are SJWs.
Christopher Powell
So, love your enemies? Let he who is without sin cast the first stone? Sounds like what he's doing.
Ethan Moore
good response. typical cultural christian. you just want an excuse to hate.
Nathaniel Brooks
I read the New Testament, and pray every day, but I don't go to Church.
Which denomination is this?
Eli Morgan
Christian
William James
I was born catholic but this pope is as bad as they can come nowadays and im jumping ship to another denomination until the next pope is elected.
I still believe in the office of the pope being hilariously useful but this particular one is basically satan.
Reccomend me a denomination that wont send me to hell.
Ryan Lopez
It's okay, user. You're already going there.
Thomas Russell
Join us Presbyterians. We are on average the wealthiest and most educated Christian denomination.
Anthony Sanchez
? wealthy people can't get into heaven
Daniel Wright
>pope says reject jesus >going to hell because a pope is going to hell Hi Luther!
Sebastian Price
Didn't you read on the OP that he's a leftcuck? He's probably looking to infiltrate your church with gay and pedo filth. Let him join the Catholics who already are infested with gay, pedos and leftists.
Benjamin Price
Then why did God bless the works of His people's hands? Why didn't He bless the works of the poor?
Charles Brooks
Didn't you read in the OP that he's a leftcuck? He's probably looking to infiltrate your church with gay and pedo filth. Let him join the Catholics who already are infested with gay, pedos and leftists
Jackson Roberts
This is actually what happened. Pope made a statement to specific beliefs, everyone was upset because it didn't reinforce their particular views.
Easton King
just because your works are blessed doesn't mean you'll get into heaven
Angel Lee
orthodoxy is the only true christian faith
catholicism is paganism now with the current pope and protestantism is heresy-lite tier which is ok but should be purged every 50 years
Aiden Martinez
You forgetting that woman and her two coppers, user? Also gospel of wealth lol. Downright Puratin theology.
Dylan Garcia
I'm Catholic. I believe that the Orthodox are our brothers in Christ, I don't know why so many of them on here (read: LARPers) hate us.
Nicholas Foster
>Be faithful Christian >You work industriously, tireless in building a productive enterprise from nothing >God blesses your works and they bear fruit >Become homeowner and be fruitful according to God's will. You send your children to the best schools >Pay off your debts, pay taxes to the government to pay for communal infrastructure and government services, give tithings to the church for alms to the poor and fund our missionaries across the world >"LMAO dude sell your business and give away everything you own!" >"Jesus wanted you to be a listless babbling zealot who owned nothing but rags and live in a gutter!" >"Jesus wanted you to never get married, be a permavirgin, and have no family!"
Wyatt Diaz
the current pope is proof of why catholicism is shit, he's a puppet of the globalists who wants to destroy the christian identity in europe and NA
militant orthodoxy is the only choice
Henry Mitchell
He's not my favorite, but he's overhyped as being far more liberal than the actually is by the sensationalist media. He isn't going to change Catholic doctrine, he's just using lofty words.
Liam Garcia
That is literally what he wanted. You worship an extension of your ego, not a psychotic doomsday prophet.
Jose James
non-denominational?
Christopher Gomez
NT is baby-tier. read the OT you Marcion fuck
William Martin
This Spurgeon was a millionare and he spent almost all of it on missions
Aaron Scott
Catholic atheist here.
You won't lose your head over apostasy (at least those days) so that's cool.
Aaron Reed
>Catholic atheist here. Empirical solipsist here, everything you said is absolutely wrong.
Aaron Reyes
Are you... sure?
Justin Bennett
Child raping shit skins the lot of you. GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY YOU FUCKING NIGGERS
Tyler Reyes
This is the absolute worst way to evangelize It's like screaming "Unregenerate sinners, come ruin my church!"
David Phillips
This. What church are you a part of? Serbian Orthodox here.
Colton Miller
Shinto-Kirishitan
Ian Robinson
Jesus stole all his goody two shoes philosophy from traveling Theravada Buddhist monks. So I switched to that. Buddha is the real OG savior of man. Except you basically have to save yourself by telling everything and everyone else to fuck off with their shit. There now you know how your magic miracle Jew got so popular.
Source: When I was going down on your mom, she told me.
William Roberts
Baptist.
As is said in the Bible, Jesus is God in the flesh and only through him can one enjoy eternal salvation.
Nathaniel Brooks
I'm only really a cultural christian, and even that's weak.
However, I was raised by a far-out commune in West Virginia who were trying to breed the anti-christ so that Jesus could come down and smite me and bring about the Second Coming.
Dominic Hall
Catholic is the only real answer.
Camden Stewart
Raised a semi-nondenominational Christian. Grew up attending a Baptist Church, then one of those just-plain-churches because I'm an American and that happens.
The more I read philosophy and theology, the more I both like the idea of the Catholic church, and am further disgusted by it's heresies that accompanies it. I guess this is what the first Lutherans felt like.
I really want to just go back to pre-Catholic/Orthodox split Christendom where it was really just Nicene Christians vs heretics and heathens with a huge dose of Hellenic Philosophy (Stoicism mainly) to boot.
Dylan Myers
Fucking what
Elijah Jenkins
Born and raised Catholic. Haven't practiced it in years tho.
Logan Martinez
>secret hillbilly tribal communes
please tell me more
Tyler Perez
>Catholic atheist you must be baiting
Oh wait. You must be one of those "cultural catholics". Kindly fuck off.
Julian Foster
Born Catholic, became an edgy atheist/agnostic for about 6 years, but about a month ago I started to reconsider going back. I had an epiphany about death, about how meaningless I was making my life and how arrogant I was to feel that I could be my own god. I cried when I repented. It was that strong.
Brandon Martin
Reminder that you're all fake christians anyway.
>II. THE VOCATION TO CHASTITY
>2348 All the baptized are called to chastity. The Christian has "put on Christ,"135 the model for all chastity. All Christ's faithful are called to lead a chaste life in keeping with their particular states of life. At the moment of his Baptism, the Christian is pledged to lead his affective life in chastity.
>Offenses against chastity
>2351 Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes.
>2352 By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action."138 "The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose."
>2353 Fornication is carnal union between an unmarried man and an unmarried woman. It is gravely contrary to the dignity of persons and of human sexuality which is naturally ordered to the good of spouses and the generation and education of children.
>2354 Pornography consists in removing real or simulated sexual acts from the intimacy of the partners, in order to display them deliberately to third parties. It offends against chastity because it perverts the conjugal act, the intimate giving of spouses to each other.
>Chastity and homosexuality
>2357 Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
Grayson Bennett
>implying any of the autistic Christians on this board have ever had sex
Logan Martinez
oh fuck off. Jesus never condemned jacking off and for that matter no one in the Bible did. I don't even know who started the "masturbation is bad" meme. The thing that was condemned was Onan throwing his seed and not fullfilling his duties as a husband out of fear.
Thomas Rodriguez
>damning approx 1 billion people to hell If Catholics get sent there, Orthodox Christians will join them according to your logic due to their practice of the admiration of icons and saints
Jaxson Bennett
>i selectively ignore what i don't like Fake christian confirmed.
Nolan Sullivan
>I selectively ignore what I don't like Masturbation is never condemned in the Bible. If God wanted for us to not masturbate, it would've been added to the Bible. This is one of the few things that I greatly dislike about the Church teachings. It was fully intended to control people's sexual lives by denying them the enjoyment of their own body.
Ian Green
Not even his duty as a husband, but his duty as a brother.
Connor Jenkins
>17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. 18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” >whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven u mad brah
Ethan Gomez
ITT: Christians fighting between them, condemning to Hell every branch that is not their own. >Christians fighting I'm not even Christian, but I've read the Bible. You guys are hilarious.
Ethan Jenkins
Sounds Peter Cephas fanboys tried to elevate their master over the others and interpolated this passage Also no proof that Peter ever actually made it to Rome and didn't just die in Galilee
Adam Baker
That doesn't refute what Jesus said at all.
Enjoy pretending to be christian.
Easton Lopez
Papal infallibility is complete nonsense. And the fact is that we're not immune to the resurgence of anti-popes or people that actually want to destroy the church makes it even worse. The fact is that the Pope is as much of a political head than a religious head.
"Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's". Jesus greatly disliked the corruption of the religious head at his time. And if he was here, it's obvious he would've thought the same.
Zachary Perez
Not a Christcuck because it's a fucking retarded religion that makes no sense
Brandon Morris
1. I don't understand X 2. Therefore, it follows that X makes no sense! How would it make sense? That would mean that I'm ignorant!! That can't be true: I know EVERYTHING!!!
I'm not even Christian, but you're retarded as fuck, friend.
Blake Butler
Chosing your ideology not because it's true, but because it feels better. Pathetic.
Adam Foster
Wrong post.
Chosing your ideology not because it's true, but because it feels better. Pathetic.
Dylan Evans
Retard.
Owen Sanders
Honestly, it sounds more interesting than it really was. Bear in mind, when most of this happened, I was a small child and only had a vague idea of what was going on. But it was one of these far out Christian communities, the ones that preached hellfire and apocalypse in imminent times, but that we needed to drive up the full measure of sin to bring about the second coming. Hence, me.
There was a whole lot of mumbo-jumbo, but they took the most sinful woman they had (most of the members were people who had messed up something in their life and were looking for some kind of salvation, so there was a fair bit to choose from), and had all of the men in the cult fap into a cup and use that to conceive me, because polyspermy is the sign of the antichrist or something.
When I was born, I was mostly ignored but I do remember several adults impressing me as to how it was important for me to throw rocks at passing cars. Eventually, DHHR got involved and I was taken away to a series of foster homes, but I was given occasional contact with my mother, who stayed a true believer in that sort of nonsense and kept trying to get me to "fulfill my mission" and step up to the role of the Anti-Christ.
Nicholas Myers
So, you're a pagan.
Ryan Foster
Because you are a part of a murderous organization that is the most evil pagan religion on planet earth.
And you think the exact opposite is true.
That's why.
Noah Brooks
Peter was married with children.
Your pagan religion is nonsense.
Lucas Richardson
Dunno about the fear part, seems more like an irresponsible person who enjoyed the sex but did not want to replace his brother in the tribe's inheritance lottery.
Daniel James
Church of Peter is wrong about Peter on all counts.
Doesn't matter to members of Church of Peter.
Isaac Cruz
>people can't find out that an ideology is true out of personal experience and revelation
I didn't remember it correctly but I do now. It was like "I'm going to have sex with her but my son won't be considered mine, instead he will be my dead brother's son". In modern words, he didn't want to be cucked by a dead man.
Carter Lewis
Christians are Christians. Not everyone who says he's a Christian is a Christian. For example, these Catholics think that they are Christians, and they are for the most part dead wrong.
Denominations are for choosing the type of worship you would like to participate in. Some people like the frenetic activity of a charismatic church. Some like the good old solid Southern Baptist hymnal and preaching from the bible. Some like to get together and have social functions, some don't.
This catholic nonsense that there are 30,000 different kinds of Christianity is absurd. There are no significant differences between the First Baptist Church of Lexington and the First Baptist Church of Louisville, or the First Methodist Church of either, but for perhaps immersion baptism v sprinkling.
And as the bible says, which of course the catholics are blissfully unaware of for the most part, Paul tells people to be convinced in their own heart as to what is right; what day to consider holy, if any; what food to eat, if any restrictions; etc.
The Roman Catholic Church is nothing but the continuation of pagan Babylon mixed with the continuation of the Roman Empire.
Its members are cruel and arrogant and pagan to the core.
Jordan Cruz
No, that's not it at all.
The land of Israel was divided into possession of the 12 tribes. Each tribe would divide its part up among its families. Each family would have a plot of land.
If your brother died without issue, his inheritance would be lost. To prevent that, as a brother, you would have a son with his wife, likely name it after your dead brother, and that son would retain his land inheritance.
It's all about land, the acquisition of land, the holding of land, and the reclaiming of land during the Jubilee.
After all, virtually all wealth comes from the land.
Landon Gutierrez
Then why he didn't fulfill his duties?
Alexander Bailey
I went to RCIA (Catholic) and I really admire how seriously and honestly everyone spoke. They weren't going to pander to some flavor of the month post-christian philosophy. That said I wasn't able to commit due to some of theology, maybe one day though.
Adam Bell
>>The Roman Catholic and Islamic Connection What is this pseudohistory
Josiah Gutierrez
It's real history. It chronicles the devil's modus operandi for blocking the spread of Christianity.
Jason Rodriguez
Not that guy, but it's quite clear if you know how ancient Judean inheritence laws worked.
You divide the decedent's estate into shares equal to the number of surviving male children (or their own heirs) +1. You then give the firstborn son 2 shares, and each other brother one share.
If Onan has no kids with Tamar and Judah dies, he is Er's heir as well as getting a share in his own right, meaning he gets 3 shares (of 4, I think, but I don't remember offhand how many kids Judah had), which is presumably quite a bit.
If he has a kid through this levirate marriage though, that child is considered Er's son, and therefore that kid inherits Er's double share, and Onan only gets 1.
Ayden Jenkins
I dunno, all this religious babbling about small details seems like a lot of work for not much benefit. I'd rather just do what Jesus thought was really important, and follow the spirit of his teachings instead of jerking myself over every specific word as if God literally sat at a desk and carved the Bib Bob out of adimantium and intends on me to follow to the letter every old social meme from 2000+ years ago, like some old Jewish leaders were expected everyone to do.
Being left in the past is for idiots who refuse inoculation on religious grounds, no thanks.
Juan Price
I have a huge problem with faith as a concept. I see myself as an individual lacking faith, or that my faith is clouded by doubt. Thus, I see myself unable to develop an honest relationship with God. What can I do?
Sebastian Rogers
Ahhh gavelkind succession Almost as bad as ultimogeniture