What do you guys think about alt-history?

Honestly, I see more /leftypol/ stuff on /k/ than I do here.

Anyways, /pol/ has a hard time infiltrating Veeky Forums because we are far too elitist for their pleb populist trash semantics.

To say that /leftypol/ is not trying to "redpill" Veeky Forums the same as /pol/ is false. I sometimes browse /pol/ and might be a little bias but there's so much leftist bias on this board. Have a thread about Indian civilization and it turns into a shitfest about class struggle and white people oppressing Indians. Even the casual posting about stuff like bomber Harris I think is done by marxists on this board.

>t.leftypol

>and might be a little bias

lmao

>all monuments in Africa and the Middle East were built by invading Hong Kongers and Danes because this book said they have the highest IQ
>The Jews had a 3000 year plan to infect the goyim with their ideology so that they could be enslaved
>When a nation is invaded they are all ethnically replaced by their invaders (except Western Europe btw because I don't want to be French)

There we go, some central tenets of alt """""""history"""""""

/pol/ is a hot mess of angst. Plus who knows how many actually buy into the stuff and how many are just shit-posters.

They are stuck with supporting Trump because they chained themselves to him with all the memes, though statistically speaking at least a good portion of them will suffer if Trumps policies go south.

>we are far too elitist for their pleb populist trash semantics.
Excluding most:
>& Humanities
posters
I can agree.

>/leftypol/
not /JIDF/ what a fucking newfag

>tfw we could have had a nice board about history
>gook moot just has to go and shove in humanities

>too elitist

This. The simple sperging of /pol/ is damn annoying. And as the desintegration of the alt-right and their populist meme candidates unfolds it has a somewhat desperate tone.

At least 50-60% percent is moderate right wing (basically ebil Nazis by SJW standards, basically croasdressing racebaiting mixing cucks by pol standards). Leftypol shitposting isn't that effective or annoying. Actually at the same level as pol imho.

The real problem is the nationalistic and bitter larping done here. Muh germs, muh eternal anglo, muh frogs and so on. That shit actually crashes a lot of good threads.

For a while it was /rel/fags but that shit actually has cooled down to a degree that allows easy coexistence.

I cry all the time fellow Veeky Forumstorian.

>Even the casual posting about stuff like bomber Harris I think is done by marxists on this board.
holy shit lad
take your anti-psychotics

Personally what bothers me the most is their many contradictions, and hipocrisy.

I agree with you, but I kind of look like the guy in the hat.

This. /pol/ is pleb tier and deserves to be used and tossed aside. if anything they are useful idiots, to be used and discarded.

>Anyways, /pol/ has a hard time infiltrating Veeky Forums because we are far too elitist for their pleb populist trash semantics.
Hello there. I guess I've broken into your little elitist club. Heehee :)

>pleb populist trash semantics
Not an argument, but I guess that's what to expect from a leftist, since you're not intelligent enough to make arguments.

Also not arguments

>And as the desintegration of the alt-right and their populist meme candidates unfolds it has a somewhat desperate tone.
Wow yeah please tell me how the right-wing is disintegrating when we managed to meme a president all the way to the White House, we managed to get a country to withdraw from the EU for the first time in its entire history, and we have right-wing candidates doing historically well in the French and Dutch elections, and right-wing parties are growing and growing across Europe (AfD in Germany, Sweden Democrats in Sweden, Danish People's Party in Denmark, Progress Party in Norway, Finns Party in Finland, Fidesz in Hungary, FPÖ in Austria, etc.)

Please tell me more about that

Posts a picture of a populist who is only being used as a useful idiot. Hello useful idiot!

>we managed to meme a president all the way to the White House

What a bogus claim, you guys didn't do shit.

>/pol/ has a hard time infiltrating Veeky Forums
Nothing is stopping /pol/tards here, but it´s damn easy to spot one.

>ar too elitist for their pleb populist trash semantics.
Keep telling yourself that fucknugget

Wait, does Veeky Forums actually think they make good arguments? Being a step above /pol/ and reddit doesn't make us geniuses.

I think the reason they have a hard time "redpilling" here is that they basically repeat things over and over again.

I get that it works on reddit and facebook normies, but not so much here.

>Have a thread about Indian civilization and it turns into a shitfest about class struggle and white people oppressing Indians
Maybe because that actually happened?

This is important to remember.
Very important.

It´s hard for them to express ideas to average people, people don´t care about truth, but perception.

>history has a long track of right wing movements failing

history has a long track of right wing governments being extraordinarily stable you just hear about the ones that failed

you have

>WRE lasting 800 years
>ERE lasting 1100 years
>pretty much all the european monarchies, french, HRE, hungary, england lasted 1000 years
>japan was like 1700 years or some crazy shit like that

right wing governments historically last a fucking long as shit time

right wing governments have more merit than socialism which can't even last more than 85 years

>finns party

Its support has collapsed from 19.2% to 8.8% after it became clear that they're just center party's bitch.

Well, in these days it does.

holy shit you're dense if you want to put entire civilizations that spanned hundreds of years and underwent multiple changes in structure of government and political ideologies as "right wing"

Fucking /pol/ack

Can you even classify pre-modern governments as left and right? Left and right barely even makes sense today, let alone then.

Also, have you ever read anything by Saint Basil II, emperor of the eastern Roman Empire?

>Were you not naked when you came out of the womb? Will you not be naked when you return to the earth? Where did the things you now possess come from? If you say they just appeared spontaneously, then you are an atheist because you do not acknowledge the Creator and show no gratitude towards the one who gave them to you. But if you say they are from God, tell us the reason why you received them. Or is it that God is unjust because he unequally divides among us the things of this life? Why are you rich while that other man is poor? Is it not perhaps so that you might receive wages for kindheartedness and faithful stewardship and so that he may be honored with great prizes because of his endurance?

>But, as for you, when you hoard all these things in the insatiable bosom of greed, do you suppose that you do nothing wrong in cheating so many people? Who is a greedy man? Someone who is not content with what is sufficient. Who is a cheater? Someone who takes what belongs to others. And are you not a greedy man, are you not a cheater, when you take the things you received for the sake of stewardship and make them your own? Anyone who takes a man who is clothed and renders him naked would be termed a robber; but does someone who fails to clothe the naked when he is able to do so deserve any other appellation? The bread you are holding back belongs to the hungry; the coat you keep in your closet belongs to the naked; the shoes moldering in your closet belong to the shoeless; the silver you hide in a safe place belongs to the needy. Thus, the more there are whom you could help, the more there are whom you are wronging.

history has a right wing bias mate

>Can you even classify pre-modern governments as left and right?

In what fucking universe are authoritarian dictatorships and monarchies NOT right wing?

History was "right wing" until somebody came along and created the "left wing." "Right wing" is the natural order of civilizations and you can base this on the fact that no left wing government has ever lasted more than 100 years

Back it up

>being used
>was elected president by the population of the united states
Sorry Democrats, if you want to win an election then maybe try listening to the voters next time :)

>What a bogus claim, you guys didn't do shit.
Interesting, then why do thinkpieces keep getting written which say that we did? :)

politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/memes-Veeky Forums-trump-supporters-trolls-internet-214856
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37431509

Then how come I post here quite a lot and nobody ever says "OH MY GOD ITS A /POL/TARD"?

I would venture a guess that it's because I don't always disclose my political leanings

As it should be when objectively discussing history.

It's amazing how much some people's worldviews are tainted by their ideologies.

>how do we redpill them?

Is /pol/ cultural marxist now?

Anyone who pretends modern political ideologies are 'eternal' instead of rapidly changing conglomerations of the ideas that did not exist 100 years ago and will not exist 100 years from now is an idiot.

Even 'new' ideologies that have been around since the French Revolution are pretty much unrecognizable from what they originally were.

...

holy shit, that's clever

/pol/ is over 50% shit skins (like myself, I am of Cuban/Ecuadorian descent). Literally some of the worst offenders of spamming the word nigger and spic is done by us. In fact most of it is. The majority of /pol/ is there for the lulz. The majority of people who came to Veeky Forums came here for the lulz. It's so easy to trigger you guys, just look at the LAriot threads we had recently. And guess what, alot of us (like myself) are tired of the cringe worthy activity that is white guilt that is shoved down are throats.

/pol/ isn't one racist guy. I used to think /pol/ was racist until I started browsing it and realized that half the people I was talking too in a Florida thread had Cuban parent(s).

Get your panties out of a bunch.

>Thus, the more there are whom you could help, the more there are whom you are wronging.
Stop sending food to Africa

Well Christianity is basically proto-leftism

You just answered your own question

>A bunch of news website did a story on us for revenue, that means we helped Trump win the election!

>Democrat
kek

You think you beat the state by electing someone picked by the state who is bed with the state? Are you stu.. wait you are just a /pol/ak. That's why you will forever be a useful idiot.

This

Shame, still many of these parties are still growing, e.g. Sweden Democrats

Also even if they don't get power, they're shifting the political spectrum. Look at Brexit; UKIP only have 1 (one) member of parliament, yet their mere existence prompted our PM to hold a referendum which ultimately withdrew us from the EU.

Good gif

Socialism, which is what the left wants, didn't even last like four years after the Russian revolution before Lenin had to introduce the NEP, which allowed for private ownership of the means of production

Capitalism - that is, trade - has existed for centuries. Millennia, actually. And today's left calls capitalism "right wing".

So basically yeah, the right wing will probably keep winning like it has done for the last two centuries :)

>Have a thread about Indian civilization and it turns into a shitfest about class struggle and white people oppressing Indians

So it's just like Indian civilization?

Pre modern governments are traditionalist and guess what wing traditionalism belongs to..it's not the left wing

This. Hierarchy is a fact of life. Reality has a right wing bias.

>Capitalism - that is, trade - has existed for centuries. Millennia, actually. And today's left calls capitalism "right wing".

Holy shit I'm beyond words.

I can't disagree less.
Humans aren't created equal.

>trade = capitalism

The jokes write themselves.

>there are people this deluded on the planet earth

What does this have to do with the thread at all

You want to talk about ancient china? Because their government was traditionalist aka right wing and that government was very stable and lasted an extremely long time

>capitalism
>millennia
>mfw i have no face

Do you not understand the difference between a capitalist economy and feudal economy, or palace economy, or hydraulic empires?

Or literally anything?

WE WUZ & HUMANITES AND SHIET

>Pre modern governments are traditionalist and guess what wing traditionalism belongs to..it's not the left wing

Your a right-winger talking to a feudalist.

stfu about 'tradition', you aint got shit.

>I use 2 axis political spectrums
wew lad

This post triggered leftypol but it's 100% right

Leftypol can fucking call me when a left wing government lasts more than 100 years. Left wing can't even join the century club in terms of government stability

And then even that will be absolutely nothing compared to the thousand year club that monarchy, autocracy, republicanism, and have entered

Sorry that you're too stupid to understand, but what I'm saying is that /pol/acks always post on Veeky Forums, and contribute to threads; the thing is that you have no idea who is a /pol/ack until they disclose their political leanings

You like to think you're so smart you can recognise a /pol/ack a mile off but you can't :^)

This.

I'm white, but yes it's obviously true much of /pol/ is not white (look at those HWNDU meet-ups)

>that means we helped Trump win the election!

>“/pol/”—the “politically incorrect” section of Veeky Forums, which was founded in 2003 to host discussions about anime and has since evolved into a malignant hive mind with vast influence over online culture
>But one former [Trump] campaign official said the goal was to relentlessly tilt the prevailing sentiment on social media in favor of Trump: “He clearly won that war against Hillary Clinton day after day after day.”
>But the [Clinton] aide conceded that such efforts could have discouraged uncommitted voters from going to the polls, and others on the left view the meme ecosystem as a real asset to Trump.
>“Those message boards matter,” said Angelo Carusone, president of Media Matters for America, an advocacy group founded by Clinton ally David Brock. Carusone pointed to the boards’ role in pushing conspiracy theories about Clinton’s health and their lesser-known work trying to discredit Clinton in the eyes of black voters, in part with memes invoking her use of the racially tinged term “superpredator” in 1996. Carusone also said that the boards’ organized harassment across the internet—“raids” of other social media platforms and comment sections—discouraged expressions of pro-Clinton sentiment from people caught off guard by the vitriol. The former Clinton aide said such harassment contributed to a tendency among Clinton supporters to congregate in secret, members-only Facebook groups, where they were preaching to the proverbial choir.
politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/memes-Veeky Forums-trump-supporters-trolls-internet-214856

Translation: /pol/ played a part

We were "a real asset to Trump"
"Those message boards matter"

modern right wing is cancer I'm a conservative who believes in hierarchies if anything

the idea of rugged individualism is a shit meme and society will always be better off in some type of pyramid structure with a king/ruler at the top

Also

>You think you beat the state by electing someone picked by the state
So is that why the whole of the media, the whole of Hollywood, the whole of Wall Street, the sitting President, former Presidents, and basically the entire of HIS OWN PARTY, publicly disavowed him?

Really makes ya think.

>Have a thread about Indian civilization and it turns into a shitfest about class struggle and white people oppressing Indians.

Most Indian history threads are shitposting about poo, 400 billion Hindu genocide, and one guy who keeps complaining about Marxist Indian historians.

He's a shill, retard. The elites want you to be engaged in these stupid culture wars so you don't pay attention to what's really going on. He's a millionaire superstar with tons of friends in high places, don't think for a second that he gives a shit about the average Joe.

According to this guy

Instead maybe you should realize that politics in the past were not like politics now.

The Gracchi brothers were high ups with a lot of inflience in Roman society and they cared abut the common joe

>So is that why the whole of the media, the whole of Hollywood, the whole of Wall Street, the sitting President, former Presidents, and basically the entire of HIS OWN PARTY, publicly disavowed him?

Controlled opposition, or are you an idiot who can't read between lines?

>He's a millionaire superstar with tons of friends in high places, don't think for a second that he gives a shit about the average Joe.
>He thinks Hillary Clinton gives a shit about the average Joe

O i am laffin.

Anyway, Trump's victory alone is enough for the average Joe. Even if he does NOTHING, he still stopped that bitch from getting in! Glorious!

>i have to imply conspiracy theories because i can't make arguments
No, make the argument, cuckboy. Let's see how hilariously stupid your argument is.

>being against trump is being in favor of Clinton
How can someone be this fucking dense

>hurr there's only two options

Donald Trump is proof that /pol/ can effect the real world. Veeky Forumstorians BTFO.

>shillary is a corrupt shill
>lets vote in someone who is 10 times as much of a corrupt shill
>that will sure show them

yep

Veeky Forums never helped obama

>being this much of a cuck

Trump is much less corrupt than Hillary though

Just pointing out hypocrisy :D

Anyway you didn't justify this idea that he's "controlled opposition"

Please provide evidence, since I provided my own evidence to say that it's pretty far-fetched to consider him "controlled opposition": namely that all the people I mentioned disavowed him.

I'm sure you have lots and lots of compelling evidence. Connections to the Stonecutters perhaps? Or maybe the Illuminati? Or lizard people? Ooh I'm excited now. I hope it's lizard people.

Donald Trump isn't corrupt, stop being a shill.

>He still believes there's only 2 options

>Socialism, which is what the left wants, didn't even last like four years after the Russian revolution before Lenin had to introduce the NEP
How was War Communism in any way Socialist?

None of those were right wing movements. The concept of being right wing didn't even exist.

>call me when a left wing government lasts more than 100 years.

The United States.

what does alt-history even mean? Some conspiracy theories how the Jews want to destroy western civilization and that Hitler didn't do nuffin?

>accusing a post that is CLEARLY anti-leftypol of being anti leftypol

humanities were a mistake

ITT
youtube.com/watch?v=S3z3r-DIQAw

>United States
>left-wing
by what definition of left-wing do you operate under?

>Make dumb post
>Everyone replies to it telling you how dumb you are
>"This post triggered leftypol but it's 100% right"

>"stormfaggotry"
It's not just racism though you fucknut. It has everything to do with Hitler being the greatest human being in the world and the 3rd reich the best place to live ever.

If only those commy capitalist jews hadn't destroyed it.

This is how the stormfag thinks.

Alternate History, what would most likely would had happenned if:
x event happenned instead of said y event.
You can see why Nazi Germany is popular.