Stalin death toll: 10-12 million

No dude, that was "common knowledge" 30 or 40 years ago, since the Iron Curtain fell and historians have had proper access to Soviet records Stalin's total kill count is consider 10-20 million tops.

Calling the modern people neo-nazis is part of why you lose to them so often.

You're basically saying they are new German national socialists and that's inaccurate. You want a modern national socialist go talk to crazy Bernie Sanders.

The modern movement isn't socialist in nature. Maybe you call them neo-nazis because they heavily research the Jewish question and are skeptical of the holocaust as presented.

By that too, is inaccurate. All they are for the most part is normal people who actually use the internet to do real research into historic events.

If that research leads them to certain conclusions oh well...

>And i'm not a stormfag

>repeats stormfag memes

When will you faggots realize Hitler is the "most evil" because he ordered an industrial converyer belt like mass slaughter of millions of people?

>Found Germany one of the most powerful nations in Europe and left it the 5th most powerful in Berlin
>the 5th most powerful in Berlin

nice

>Bernie Sanders
>National Socialist
Wow, the fucking state of /pol/ nowadays. I mean christ, is that what you people are arguing about now?

>implying I have ever lost anything to Neo-Nazis.

>Fascism is disproven
Stamping something out by force doesn't equate to proving it wrong, so much as you telling me 2+2 = 4 and I murder you makes that any less right.

>ordered an industrial converyer belt like mass slaughter of millions of people

Total fantasy lol disease and famine did their work.

Maybe the British shouldn't have blockaded so hard hmmmm? Your Hollywood tier fantasy of 24/7 365 murder-burn operations has lost credibility.

Time to move on

>is part of why you lose to them so often.
>You want a modern national socialist go talk to crazy Bernie Sanders.

>Maybe you call them neo-nazis because they heavily research the Jewish question and are skeptical of the holocaust as presented.

why are you guys so fucking cringy? Jesus christ

It was a joke user relax

And you're right Bernie is definitely not a nationalist he hates Americans.

>Stamping something out by force doesn't equate to proving it wrong

lol the irony

...

Lol fine keep calling everyone who disagrees with you nazis.

See how that holds up

>that filename
>misusing the meme

Sad

>be a nazi

>get mad when people call you a nazi

>atleast 20 million
>atleast
>20 million
More like 60 million

More like one billion

Stupid ass

None of us are German national socialists

Find a new word you illiterate fool

>60 million

STOP LYING KIKE EVERYONE KNOWS STALIN REALLY KILLED 1 BAJILLION INNOCENT WHITE CRHSITIANS FOR THE JEWS

>Found Germany one of the most powerful nations in Europe

What?

But he was referring to Hitler.

Well he had an army called the Militant Atheist League whose job was to kill Christians lol

>>Hitler death toll: At least 20 million
OY VEY ONLY 20 MILLION YOU ANTI-SEMITE?
Hitler killed at least 100 MILLION people, I'm calling the ADL! You'll never work in this town again!

>historians have had proper access to Soviet records
You mean like those Nazis records that show only 30,000 people or something died in the concentration camps?

What records are you referring to?

>because he ordered an industrial converyer belt like mass slaughter of millions of people
And Stalin didn't during the collectivization in Ukraine? Lel

All this thread has confirmed is that free-market libertarianism and individualism is the best ideology since it does not lead to mass murder and genocide.

No.

>steal grain from farmers
>purposely let farmers die
>NOT OUR FAULT AND YOU'RE A STORMFAG FOR IMPLYING THAT COMMON HISTORIOGRAPHY IS FACT
Jesus Christ.

starving people by taking away their grain isnt an industrialized slaughter of them like the holocaust. No one even denies the holodomor.

Youre spewing out strawmen arguments

Stalin did nothing wrong :c

>slowly starving people to death is not as bad as sending them into gas chambers

You are fucking retarded

Was Stalin a big guy, Veeky Forums?

>>slowly starving people to death is not as bad as sending them into gas chambers

Hitler did both.

That explains the remains of all 6 billion nourished jews.

Do you have any idea of the sheer industrial scale of murdering 6 million people?

Where the F did the Nazis get all that Zyklon B during a massive blockade?

And why wouldn't they spend the money on the war effort instead?

During a time when Hitler couldn't even feed his troops you find it impossible to believe that people died of regular old disease and starvation.

Right, instead of concentrating on the war effort Hitler instead decided to focus on an impossible task?

It is exactly that when you do it to purposely punish that ethnic group alone.

>strawman a person into being a stormfag for refuting your argument
>proceed to say they strawmanned you
Is this bizzaro world?

>slowly starving people

There was a War on and Germany was blockaded you goofball no one was purposefully starved.

The level of your Hollyood fantasies is ridiculous

>no one was purposefully starved.

Yes they were. Im sorry your shitty public school failed to teach you about the hunger plan and the mass starvation in the warsaw ghettos.

Has fucking anyone read the gulag archipelago?
Lenin was the man responsible for establishing the network for the deaths in the Soviet. While Stalin himself maybe responsible for 20 million or less. The ussr killed some 40 to 60 million as a result if Lenins work, and that's not including actual deaths from the world wars.
I may concede the point that Stalin himself only killed 20 or less million people, but the fact that wherever the Marxis doctrine had been established, forced labor camps, and millions upon millions of their citizen's deaths like what is happening now in North Korea is no coincidence.
To continue to think that Marxism is a good idea is to truly be misinformed.

>COMMON HISTORIOGRAPHY IS FACT
>but they're all lying about de holocaust!!

Who are you quoting?

Do you know the industrial cost of supporting 6 million people? Why are you implying all of the holocaust was by Zyklon B, many mass murders were by bullets and other methods

only a million were gassed, user

>During a time when Hitler couldn't even feed his troops you find it impossible to believe that people died of regular old disease and starvation.

because that didnt happen. You are just making up bullshit, a classic stormfag tactic.

Its also funny how the Nazi empire is the most competent and elite country on earth while also being completely incompetent retards who cant even feed their own people, all depending on what is convenient for your narrative at the time.

Yeah Hitler didn't make feeding polish jews a priority.

During a blockade. Blame the British crown if you want to blame someone.

>The ussr killed some 40 to 60 million as a result if Lenins work, and that's not including actual deaths from the world wars.
What's the evidence for this claim.

So what? When Stalin said he was going to "destroy the ukranian race" he was just speaking metaphorically about stopping their influence on the country. not actually killing them all

Stalin was a paranoid armlet with no redeeming qualities whatsoever

How much gas would that even take?

And where did Hitler get it all during a War and a blockade?

Where are all the hundreds of thousands of gas canisters? Did they disappear into the ovens too?

there was no blockad at the time. And you just admitted that he deliberately starved polish jews lol

>it's another "/leftypol/ triggers /pol/ and no one can tell who's jewing who anymore" episode

GERMANY WAS BLOCKADED YOU ILLITERATE FOOL

THEY WERE OUT OF FOOD ACROSS THE ENTIRE THEATRE

>Where are all the hundreds of thousands of gas canisters?

Why are you acting as if Germany was completely unable to produce literally anything?

Maybe they shouldn't have declared war on Germany in public user

>THEY WERE OUT OF FOOD ACROSS THE ENTIRE THEATRE

no they werent. No widespread starvation among their people or POW they considered human.

These questions have all been accounted for by actual historians.

>Do you have any idea of the sheer industrial scale of murdering 6 million people?
Not everyone died in the gas chambers, many were shot as well.

>Where the F did the Nazis get all that Zyklon B during a massive blockade?
You don't have to mine it, you know.

>And why wouldn't they spend the money on the war effort instead?
Why would the spend extreme amounts of money on relatively useless technology (rockets, super tanks, other wunderwaffe)?
Because the Nazis apparently wren't strict utilitarians? Who'd have thought??

>Right, instead of concentrating on the war effort Hitler instead decided to focus on an impossible task?
How impossible? How many Jews live in Lithuania today? Belarus? Hungary? Poland? Compared to 1939, they were completely wiped out. Very successful if you ask me.

Can you read?

>moving the goalpost

why do you guys think sensationalist newspaper headlines are concrete sources of historical information?

I never said anything about the holocaust so I'm going to repeat my question: Who are you quoting?

lol

>And where did Hitler get it all during a War and a blockade?

zyklon b is a commercial pesticide that had been in production for 20 years by the time of the holocaust so it wasn't exactly hard to come by. in fact only 10% of zyklon b produced during the war went to the camps

ok, so you know that the holocaust happened and that all deniers of it are just lying stormfags.

my apologies

>Stamping something out by force doesn't equate to proving it wrong
Fascism often turns belligerent so it kind of does.

Supposedly we should trust common historiography, but somehow this doesn't apply to the Holocaust, because jews.
You didn't say anything about the Holocaust, it was just an observation.

Hey jews...

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes!

>didn't have an argument so immediately resulted to strawman argument

>lose argument

>"muh j00z!"

stormfags in action

yeah, we realized we made a mistake and that you know that the holocaust happened and that deniers are just idiots.

The issue is that you made the mistake in the first fucking place.

>dumbass who believes in stupid neo-nazi propaganda talking down to anyone

lol

mobile/document/340216875/Lenin-s-Gulag-Richard-Pipes

>resorting to strawman arguments again
Bravo. Anything you say from this point forward will result in Zero (0) (You)'s. You forfeited your (You) privileges by proving yourself a dumbass.

>a random paragraph written by an unknown author

Wow what a terrible source. On one hand you want us to believe that they were criminally merciless and methodical in their murder of the jewish people.

On the other you seriously want us to believe they were disorganized and incompetent.

Which is it dude? Maniacal evil geniuses designing 24/7 365 murder-burn operations during a blockaded War or...

Bumbling fools?

You can't have it both ways.

Whoops fucked up link

scribd.com/mobile/document/340216875/Lenin-s-Gulag-Richard-Pipes

Op is faggot today too, like always actually. This is the most shitty thing i have read today.

>On the other you seriously want us to believe they were disorganized and incompetent.

Those two things dont conflate each other at all and youre a very stupid low IQ person for thinking so.

>Wow what a terrible source

as opposed to your shitty neo-nazi blogs and The Greatest Meme Never Told?

Wow look at all those native Americans that weren't killed for this

>slavs are subhuman non-whites and deserve to be wiped from the face of the earth
>but REMEMBER THE HOLODOMOR THE BIGGEST GENOCIDE COMMITTED AGAINST THE WHITE RACE
Every time.

Who are you quoting?

/pol/

So... nobody.

/pol/ is a bunch of nobodies, that is correct.

You're quoting nobody and stating it as fact is what you're doing.

If you say so.

Yeah he's just sort of spazzing out in the thread

...

You /pol/tards are really this pathetic huh?

I just did. You can quote me on it if you'd like.

>Everyone who disagrees with me as /pol/
This is the Veeky Forums equivalent of "everyone who disagrees with me is a Jew/JIDF/ShareBlue/CTR" and it needs to stop.