/ahg/ - Alternate History General

Aztec and Inca states surviving in the modern day.

Drunk aliens fly down to earth around 300 bc and abduct 100 people from Athens, Rome, Gaul and Carthage each. They then deposit each group at different points around Australia and come back 300 years later.

>No capital letters, thinks there's topics not worth thinking about

salty desu

>Halifax manages to negotiate a ceasefire between Britain and Germany
>Germany can throw everything against the Russians and pushes them back far further than in reality
>USA intervene with ground troops in he Soviet Union after the German declaration of war
>no other bases in Europe, strategic bomber raids are ineffective and get shut down hard
>millions of Americans die over the next years on the eastern front
>USA simultaneously drop 200 nukes on Germany using USA based B-36 and exterminate 90%+ of the Reich's population in 1947

If only....

>no lend lease
At best this would have stalemated the war.

>no genocidal policies feeding partisan movements
Contradicts their ideology

>more competent German leadership
That's a non answer.

>German intelligence in the SU
Considering the intelligence they did have was completely wrong and utterly worthless... I guess having anything relevant at all is an improvement.

Germany lost WWII in 1939.

all is fair in war

the SU leadership wasn't exactly competent either

>no genocidal policies
Without racial superiority ideology there would be no way to convince Germans to attempt a land war against the Soviet Union

>lend lease
insignificant

>lend lease
>insignificant
It permitted the USSR to motorize its logistics and transport capabilities, I wouldn't call that "insignificant". Although granted, what qualifies as "significant" is an opinionated statement.

>At best this would have stalemated the war.
The Russians would have lost a stalemate that saw at least a third population under German control. Contrary to what many people believe, the Soviet Union's population wasn't that much higher than the German one. My guess would be 130 million Soviets vs 90 million Germans in winter 1941/1942.

>Contradicts their ideology
Not at all, the Nazis were flexible and pragmatic if they felt that they needed to. See: Croatia, all those lies Hitler spouted that the British fell for.

>Germany lost WWII in 1939.
Bullshit hindsight. This is a "what if" question.

>insignificant
The German-Soviet war was hard fought and close at several points. Without lend lease, the Soviets would probably not have had the trucks to supply their offensives and would have had to deal with significantly less ammunition and other materiel. Sure, lend lease didn't stop the Germans in 1941, but the war wasn't won then, far from it.

Would be cool.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Germanic_Reich#Role_of_Northern_Italy

The US and Australia we only finished colonising about 50 odd years earlier

Play Wolfenstein New Order

>population
No see you're missing the point. It isn't population in and of itself. It's fighting age population. 1914-1918 saw most german men thrown to the frontlines and birthrates nosedive and not recover until the 20's, by 1939 these men would have been in their prime and ready to spearhead the assault on Russia.

However these men were never birn. Then there's Germany's whole problem of inadequate reserves and a chronically too small officer corps.

>Not at all
Bullshit, that's their goddamn lebensraum.

>Bullshit hindsight.
It is hindsight but it isn't bullshit. The axis was uncoordinated, uncooprtative and completely unprepared for a war of attrition.

>1914-1918 saw most german men thrown to the frontlines and birthrates nosedive and not recover until the 20'
Was the situation better in Russia with civil war, famines and political purges?

>Bullshit, that's their goddamn lebensraum.
Doesn't mean you have to start burning down villages and executing women and children five minutes after the combat troops moved in.

>The axis was uncoordinated, uncooprtative and completely unprepared for a war of attrition.
Then how did they last 5 years? Drop the memes you learned it school, it wasn't that simple. Obviously the axis loses if everything happens as it did, but 1) what DID actually happen and how did it cause the outcome we know and 2) what variables can you tweak to change that outcome?

the one where hitler doesnt chimp out in 1939

>inadequate reserves
more like nonexistent reserves

>Was the situation better in Russia with civil war
Yes ironically.

>Doesn't mean you have to start burning down villages and executing women and children five minutes after the combat troops moved in.
No see, but they did. That was THEIR god damn lebensraum and THEY were on it goshniggeringdarnit.

>Then how did they last 5 years?
The victories of 1939-42. At the start of the war the overtly aggressive style of the Wehrmacht was a boon. As the war dragged on they failed to adequately adapt to the fact no one was doing retarded shit anymore.

>Drop the memes you learned it school, it wasn't that simple.
They don't teach that in school dumb dumb.
>what DID actually happen and how did it cause the outcome we know
You don't understand what did happen though this is my whole point.

>what variables can you tweak to change that outcome?
For germany to win? All of them basically.

>alt-history
This might be cool.

>HEY GUYS WORLD WAR II AND WHAT IF THE GERMANS WON
Kill yourself schnitzlenigger

>Abos get COLONIZED by medis thousand years earlier
This is gold

>Germany won ww2
>Switzerland still exists

Yeah, no, the Nazis were planning to partition it with France and Italy, only the ongoing war stopped them.

Hey I opened the thread for you to suggest whatever you wanted. What really interests me isn't whether they could have won the war but what the politics of the situation would have been afterward. Hitler clearly wasn't going to hold true power for much longer if reports on his health are to be believed, so the factionalism between the Bormann civil service, Himmler SS, non-ideological army and the rest of the government I think is an interesting topic to explore. We have no idea how these individuals would handle the conquered East, the Soviet rump state, peace with the West, the relationship with Japan, control of the European axis, post-war domestic policy etc.

Holy shit, can we do some alternate history that doesn't involve WWII for once?

best idea in this thread.

As for me, I'd like to see how things would've turned out if Constantine didn't make the Roman Empire christian.
Also, would like to see Marcus Aurelius not leave the empire in the hands of an incompetent retard.

Aborginals would have raped their shit.

What if the American revolution failed?

Abos would've been slaved the fuck out

And, eventually, the transported Mediterraneans would die out and the Australians would be right back at flinging shit at eachother

What would have happened if dissatisfied and dishonored chinese nobles colonized the western coast of NA in the 13th century?

There would be native american countries today.

I bet Britain (including the original 13 colonies) would end up annexing the sparsely populated French colonies and going all the way west, doubt they annex the Mexican territories though.

There would probably be less of an American identity as much as a regional and state identity, The empire would collapse after WW1 when the relative power of Britain is showed to be weaker than it's north American territories but still be very close allies and would fight in WWII together.

Honestly, in some ways it can't. Even if the Revolutionaries can't fight worth a damn and go bankrupt and the Continental congress is hanged on lamp-posts (Did they have lamp-posts in the late 18th century?), the costs of occupying an area as big as the 13 colonies enormously outweighs any benefit gained from holding onto the area.

Most likely, you'd get some sort of devolution and local government, and while tighter cultural and economic ties would ensue, you'd have a fair amount of local autonomy. I mean hell, the Carlisle Peace Commission offered autonomous rule in 1778, and the war was a long, long way from being over at that point.

According to Hitler it would look like this:

"The German colonist ought to live on handsome, spacious farms. The German services will be lodged in marvellous buildings, the governors in palaces. Beneath the shelter of the administrative services, we shall gradually organise all that is indispensable to the maintenance of a certain standard of living. Around the city, to a depth of thirty to forty kilometres,we shall have a belt of handsome villages connected by the best roads. What exists beyond that will be another world, in which we mean to let the Russians live as they like. It is merely necessary that we should rule them. In the event of a revolution, we shall only have to drop a few bombs on their cities, and the affair will be liquidated. Once a year we shall lead a troop of Kirghizes through the capital of the Reich, in order to strike their imaginations with the size of our monuments. What India was for England, the eastern territories will be for us." (Hitler's Table Talk, August 1941)

>tfw no HRE
>tfw no large enough Hungary
>tfw no big france along the Rhine

>yfw all of nazi germany didn't even want displacement, just german colonization.

>tfw u will never live in the timeline where /pol/ shitposted Bernie into the presidency and Veeky Forums is a bunch of status quo monarchy shills

underrated

I remember that game fondly...

this is the überpost

And the abos would still have huffed their olive oil.

this looks amazing
t. amazed frog hater

Literally no one else has thought of this, except some guy on youtube. I think his name is emperortigerstaralt

>Alt His thread
>Nazi win again
Boring try to came up with something fresh

That would've required the German economy to reverse direction and embrace austerity instead of autkary.

Also all those unpaid MEFO bills used to fund rearmament... Really, there's no situation where Germany doesn't go to war sometime in 1938-1945.

>there's no situation where Germany doesn't go to war sometime in 1938-1945.
Well, not with Hitler around anyway. Without him the NSDAP would implode and who knows what would come out on top.

Central Powers victory in WW1. Victory is marked by a full-blown invasion of England and the complete destruction of the British Empire, and the aftermath results in a unification of Germany with every single German nation save Belgium, Switzerland, Liechtenstein and maybe Denmark. The New German Empire then ensures the independence of Ukraine and the Baltic States, and thus they and the Soviet Union are the world's two greatest superpowers until the US becomes the third harvesting all the pieces of the British Empire.

>aftermath results in a unification of Germany with every single German nation save all of these non-german nations

1863

France offers to stage a southern invasion of the Confederacy in exchange for the Union agreeing to recognize and help legitimize the Second Mexican Empire.

Fearing the possibility of renewed French imperialism in the Americas, Great Britain entreats with the rebels and stages an intervention via Canada. They also take this opportunity to attempt an annexation of Alaska.

Through French politicking, Alexander II is encouraged to mount a defense of Russia's colonial holdings in North America and mounts a substantial marine landing in the Pacific Northwest.

Seven Years War pt. 2 go go go

this

Holy fuck, my cock is rock solid.

My favorite is where Wilhelm II dies in childhood and the German Empire finalizes turning into a Constitutional Monarchy. New King tells A-H to fuck off, lets it collapse to absorb Austria, and the West remains in its glory days.

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Good user, you made semi-non-arbitrary lines in the desert. From 1/10 to 7/10

or alternatively, his very reform minded older brother doesnt die of throat cancer in the FIRST MONTH of his rain

harald hardrada wins against william and harold

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My favourites are Latin Britain not Saxon and Saxon England not Norman.

So less germanic influence on Britain in the 500s resulting is a more Latin population similar to the other Romance countries.

Or a Saxon victory at Hastings with Harold and his brothers dying of their wounds after the battle and Edgar of Wessex being elected King.

>wanting a more romance britain
>Not wanting superior germanic island

>Not wanting a future were a reformed Western Roman Empire is possible

>Western Roman Empire
>In Britain

France and England were once almost united, France and Spain were once also almost united.

is there any relationship between the fall of the Ottoman Empire and general unrest in the Middle East? Because maybe that would be a cool change.

Fuck me ww1 50 years early

How about the Catholics are the undisputed victors in the Thirty Year's War, capturing and killing Gustav II early on, dissuading France form entering on the Protestants' side? Before going on to crush the rebelling Princes and Dutch.

Whoever Prussia sides with wins on the Continent, the Ottomans are a nonfactor, and if the German states team up then either Russia or France are up a creek. Spain only matters if it agrees to give the French Caribbean basing rights.

Why do people believe one or two small things would have changed the outcome of the world war 2?

Why do they continue to think Germany was some bastion of ultra-tech and efficiency cheated out of victory by zerg rushes and General Motors?

They planned for world war poorly, they consistently fucked up intelligence, failed to adequately coordinate with allies and their r&d was bloated and inefficient. Yet anons and normies still believe a few corrections here and there, a few men in the right places, a few decisions going the other way and boom, the nazis win.

It's fucking ridiculous.

It's why alternate history is so often such a joke, people make changes not fully understanding what led to the original path.

German victory in WW1 would be way more interesting desu

Heres an idea I had.
What if you went back in time and switched the prophet muhammad and genghis khan at birth?
Would it change anything?

Muhammads dad would probably stone his wife and her mongol son to death.

Jesus never becomes a prophet and Christianity doesn't exist. Meanwhile, Buddhist monks travel west from India and spread Buddhism through the Roman Empire, where it becomes the largest religion around

Fuck off back to /pol/

They were already trying, however the german settler colonies were failing miserably
It wouldn't have worked out, Nazi Germany's empire would have collapsed within the next decades

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>Ezo
that would require an absolute miracle

Someone post the mandatory modern ISrael map, to combat

Amidst the chaos, Russia and Prussia form an alliance to crush the Austrian Empire. The Prussians are seeking primacy over the German Confederation and Schleswig-Holstein in particular, whilst Russia still nurses a vendetta over Austria abandoning them at the onset of the Crimean War.

In response, the Ottomans form a loose coalition with Britain and Austria, fearing a regional hegemony if Prussia is able to unite the German states under a single government. A special economic relationship with Britain lends unforseen power to the Tanzimat reforms and staves off the creation of various nationalist constitutions throughout the Empire.

As tensions rise, Great Britain steps up their material support for the Imperial House in Japan. France responds by completely reconfiguring the organization and armament of the Tokugawa Shogunate, including the addition of several modern battleships.

>Greater Gerrmany
>Switzerland Exists

The only thing Hitler hated more than actual Jews were the Mountain Jews.

>gr8 powers fight over assassination of Abraham Lincoln instead of Franz Ferdinant
>central asia and the alaskan territories become the trenches
>experimental gatling gun technology

i wiah a nigga would

>Victory is marked by an invasion of England

There's a difference between Alt-history and wanking. What you're doing is wanking.

Best case scenario for Germany in the great war is a french collapse leading to Britain taking their ball and going home. Slightly more realistic is some sort of negotiated peace that recognizes German gains in the east.

If I pressed a button and this happened immediately, I would expect maybe 5 countries making it in the end, eating up the rest. Some of them don't have the population or economic impact to survive on their own or even get a protector. That's why Russia is so big in the first place.

The one where an alliance of alternative Worlds where Rome never fell vs an alliance of Alternative worlds where the Nazis won

*masturbates at a rate yet undocumented*

But who would wanna kill Lincoln,and for what purpose?
It cant be Oswald. An early world war doesnt occur because a US national kills a US president. Which of the players in this scenario would want to kill Lincoln and how would that spark a world wide conflict? Doesnt work m8.

Damn I didn't think of that. Who gave a fuck about 1860s USA? Who could have such a lust for revenge for the confederacy?

whooo?

Literally no one.

Franz Joseph is killed in 1853 and Maximilian is crowned emperor. A known reformer and liberal, he reforms the military after the loss at Koniggratzer, and transformers the empire into a federal monarchy (Along similar lines to what Franz Ferdinand planned to do).

Burgundy is good
Britanny is meh
The rest is complete shit

Either give southeast France to Burgundy, or have an independent state of Provence or some shit. Occitania shouldn't go east of Montpelier.