Yugoslav wars up until 1992

>that helmet design

Bosnian Muslim soldier some time in 1991 or 1992

Siege of Sarajevo in either 1991 or early 92

Flying Kosvoian (Extinct)

Hardened Slav soldiers hanging around a street corner sometime in early 1992

Pretty sure my dad is a war criminal. He left in 1993, came to Australia, immediately married and had me.

From what I've managed to discern so far, he was a butcher, then a mechanic and mentions working on military vehicles, so I presume he served in the YNA/JNA. He's also experienced with firearms and suffers symptoms of PTSD.

He absolutely refuses to discuss his life from 1988 - 1993 and has only let me meet select family members who've been very quiet about the period. A number of times I've seen evidence that he could claim a great deal of money if he ever returned, and have seen his sister go from poverty to buying a near $1 million home after going back to Croatia. He also keeps his paperwork and identity documents sealed behind 2 key locks and combination.

It could all be coincidence, but it seems highly suspect.

It was a great time to be a kid. Lots of ruins and debris to explore and play on. No parents to boss you around etc.

>A number of times I've seen evidence that he could claim a great deal of money if he ever returned, and have seen his sister go from poverty to buying a near $1 million home after going back to Croatia.

How does that even work? What is the money for? compensation for loss during the war?

As far as I can tell, a shitload of assets found after the war and compensation of some sort.

Yugoslavia wasn't like the rest of the eastern block. They had markets, and was actually a fairly nice place to live.

There was ethnic conflicts between from the beginning, the country was artificial first created as a monarchy and than under socialist rule of Tito who was popular enough with everyone that things ran peacefully, once he was gone there was nothing holding them together.

t. Discussed this with former Yugoslavs

I'm not a serb though, thats the thing. You serbs think everyone in the Balkans is a serb. Fuck off retard.

Because your parents are dead.

But we are the same people.
Have you read any Bosnian literature?
It is in fact Serbian neglect and ridicule of Serbs who converted to Islam that created the Bosniak nation.

>We are the same people
>Majority of Serb forces hit Bosniaks just because of their religion and independence

Bosnia has always existed and therefore Bosniaks have always existed. We might have the same genes, but we are still 2 different nationalities. And will you cite your sources that say your last sentence? As far as I know, you could just be a Bosniak christian. Ever thought of that?

How do you explain Serbian Muslims though? There were much less of them so they were driven out/massacred after the Ottomans lost the Balkans. Why were they distinct? Why are there so many more Muslims in Bosnia than closer to Turkey and in areas ruled longer by the Turks? Why was half of Bosnia Catholic before the Serbs? Why did the Christian kings of Bosnia who also called themselves "king of the Serbs" not use king of the Serbs as their first title?

I'm not but
>There were much less of them so they were driven out/massacred after the Ottomans lost the Balkans
Who massacred them?

>Come back, this totally isn't a plot to arrest you upon landing.

You mean Turks? Thry built that tower.

Could have just been a traumatic experience. Tons of war survivors are hesitant to start talking about it again.

Bosniak women soldiers

The eternal S*rb making a joke

>Women in the war
Oxymoron

>Turks
>You mean Turks?
no he meant the Chinese aliens from Saturn

Albanian sniper. Snipers were a big danger to civilians

sorry. forgot to mention women disappear during wartime

I used to work with a guy who claimed to have lived through the siege of Sarajevo as a kid.

Guy was all types of fucked up.

Slovene general declaring independence (1991)

He started the whole domino effect, fuck him

Zizek?

Nationalism

...

Serbs

Croats

more seige

Serbs and Bulgars mostly. Not big massacres, you understand, but many Muslim families left Europe for Turkey after the Ottomans left, but had to pass through Orthodox land on the way. On the way it would be very easy for people to see who they were and form a posse, or else for brigands to attack with impunity. This happened apparently to my grandfather's grandfather, on the way to Turkey with his family when they were robbed. They survived but had to return to Bosnia. I'm not calling it concerted violence at all, but it just happened, centuries of anger at being cucked (literally) taken out on innocents. But that happens everywhere.

>Muslims
>innocent
pick one.

>Orthodox
>innocent
pick one.

Actually, it was concerted. look at ww1 and ww2 and in 1992-5. Serbs were dropping bosniaks for nothing, but you dont really hear anything about that. Everything in modern times is concerted against muslims

Oh, is this the shitheel containment board now? I thought this was for serious discussion of history.

True, but I was speaking about the 1860s to 1890s.

Funny joke

That's what i was advocating. It is precisely this mindset on the Serbian side that created the Bosniak nation out of people who speak the same fucking language.

>same language
Not quite. I mean, Serbs in western Bosnia speak more like Bosnians than Serbs in Serbia. It's just as likely that Bosnians who refused to convert to Islam began to see themselves as Serbs.

>I thought this was for serious discussion of history.
you're a meme, you know that?

Pretty sure that was Tito who did that and not the Serbs.

Who is Tito? I heard his name come up

President of Slovakia during WW2

Just check out the difference between Sicilian and Friuli.
The Bosnian language is a purely political endeavor. It's a completely mutually intelligible language.
As opposed to Croatian. Serbian and Croatian were similar and have become even more similar during the past century but they're two languages. Stokavian Croatian is closer to Serbian than other dialects.
No, it is our fault. It is the fault of Serbian interwar politicians, and it is the fault of any 19th century rhetoric that branded Muslim Serbs as the filth that must be cleansed, the traitors that must be disposed, worse than Turks. Social alienation has caused the Muslims to see themselves as separate, Tito just formalized them.
Fucking Izetbegovic, the father of the Bosniak nation, the founder of the Bosniak national identity. His family lived in fucking Belgrade until they moved to Bosnia in 1861 because of what i said, because they were unwanted. In a similar manner to Serbs moving out of areas with Albanians for centuries.

no, that's Tiso

Alija wasn't alive in 1861, so you can't blame him for that.

I'm not blaming him, i'm just stating it.
I blame Serbs for creating the Bosniak nation.

can this be cleared up please?

Is this accurate?

near perfect, Albania is more like a smug pepe

smug pepe would be america

>Know a few people online who grew up during the Yugo wars.
>Decide that the preservation of historical anecdotes is more important than being respectful of not bringing up the wars with them, so I do so.
>All 8 of them agree, in separate conversations, how terrible and utterly pointless the war was.

This is coming from Serbs and Croats in general though, didn't know any Bosniks to talk to. One of the guys mentioned he remembers having to run to air raid shelters periodically when he was 8 or so, most were just drills however.

For anyone interested heres annotated bibliographies on:
yugoslav civil wars (military history):
pastebin.com/Sxv3vrxa
western balkans (International relations) [covers yugoslav wars pretty much as well]
pastebin.com/Raje9ztH

The most fucked thing about the Yugoslav wars is that people will admit Serbian and Croatian elites reached an understanding behind closed doors while your average Croat Serb or Bosniak was dying and AT THE SAME TIME admitting that the dissolution of Yugoslavia into ethnostates was still probably worth it in the long run.

nothing smug about having to clean up the balkanoids' mess

Thanks user.

total non sequitur