WTF i hate Commies now

WTF i hate Commies now

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Orwell was a commie though.

Animal Farm was literally Orwell saying the USSR wasn't real communism and real communism has never been tried.

No you hate stalin now

nope, he was a democratic socialist and openly detested most commies after coming back from the spanish civil war. i personally doubt he even identified as a socialist in his later years judging by the evolution of his writing, but there's no hard evidence of that.

You do realise that Orwell was a socialist who fought alongside anarchists in the spanish civil war right?

Orwell was a socialist not a communist.

This. Someone post the quote about what Orwell has been working torwards with his writings

By /pol/ standards he was a limpwristed LGBT Marxist commie cuck. He disassociated with the communist movement, but he was still a commie, just by another name.

It was a criticism of the USSR, though I guess viewing it as a criticism of communism as a whole probably isn't too far because all other forms of communism beside vanguard based marxism Leninism are unviable.

>By /pol/ standards
as if that means anything. Of course you're right if you're going to change the definitions. But he's not considered a communist outside of /pol/ and other such places.

He called himself a socialist to be a special little snowflake, the same kind of person that /pol/ mocks /leftypol/ for being when they say they're democratic socialists. He was a communist, he was just anti-USSR and anti-Bolshevist, but in his day, being a communist meant you sided with the USSR. He was literally a "real communism has never been tried"

see:

Communism cannot be tried, it can (or maybe not, but at least what communists think) be achieved.
It's funny that capitalist societies are closer to it than socialist ones.

It's not funny or strange though. Marx in most of his writings said communism was supposed to be a post-capitalist model, after capitalism fully developed.

Marxism Leninism decided that they could just skip the capitalist phase and skip straight to communism.

That's where this confusion from capitalists comes from, they think socialism/communism is supposed to be an alternative to capitalism. It's supposed to come after capitalism in an orthodox reading of Marx. So it's only natural that a capitalist society is closer to communism than an agrarian or underdeveloped capitalist society thinking they can just skip the capitalist development phase straight to communism.

>implying either 1984 or Animal Farm are warnings against communism
>implying they're not warnings about strongmen hijacking the revolution
>implying the animals weren't happy after they had got rid of the farmer and things only became bad after Napoleon took over and set his attack dogs on everyone

>By /pol/ standards
Pol is shithole, their opinion doesn't matter

Institution doesn't work without a leadership. But i agree on the part that opportunists should be shot when starting a movement.

you do realize doing so made him become really disillusioned with the ideology, right? And that 1984 as well as Animal Farm were scathing criticism of what it had become.

And he even wrote about the very nature of the hypocrisy of it all since it was all just middle class fucks who outright despised the working class and were motivated solely by being jelly of the upper class. And all of this was banned in communist countries and socialist circles, with the criticism of socialist being edited out of Road to Wigan Pier

Yeah well the problem is, that's inevitable. How are you going to stop it?

He wrote a book called Homage to Catalonia and as far as I know he never said "nah, I changed my mind on what I said on that book". Also he said this in 1946
"The Spanish war and other events in 1936-7 turned the scale and thereafter I knew where I stood. Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic Socialism, as I understand it. It seems to me nonsense, in a period like our own, to think that one can avoid writing of such subjects."

No you don't, read demons by Dostoyevsky then you will.

Constant purges

>By /pol/ standards

/pol/ is so far up its own asshole it couldn't distinguish left from right. They thought Hilary Clinton was a left-wing nut ffs.

checks and balances

also you have to keep trying until your revolutionary leader says he wants to retire and fuck off and be a farmer instead of establishing a dynasty

That's probably why in 1984 Emanuel Goldstein's (or should I say O'Brien's) book "The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism" is called just that, oligarchical collectivism. As opposed to oligarchical socialism or oligarchical communism because it wasn't either. Under Ingsoc the production did not belong to the workers and the government was not a dictatorship of the proletariat. The book even tries to explain this in several points by comparing Ingsoc to the state capitalism under the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany.

Your opinion doesn't matter faggot

>i get my political views from a children book funded by the cia

T. Comrade Commieberg of the 18th Subversion Brigade

Tankie pls
Orwell sucks Catalan dick.

>T. Comrade Commieberg

kek

>It's funny that capitalist societies are closer to it than socialist ones.
Marx main criticism of capitalism is that corporations will try to rule everything, in capitalist societies corporations basically run everything, Man you may just be the dumbest guy in the world.

What about the standard of living and robust healthcare and education programs in most capitalist countries?
France has a 35 hour work week.

You can thank unions and organized labor for those.

>France has a 35 hour work week.

Bad example.

That's a commie legacy, like our social security and our education system, since the political rebuilding of the country after WW2 was made by both communists and gaullists.

Now the EU and our corporation appointed leaders (medias make presidents, medias are own by people who also own big corporations) do everything to destroy all that to their profits, since they see in education or health a potential, big, market.

t. frog.

Why do people not fight back more?

Lack of class consciousness. Also just enough social mobility that class isn't strictly hereditary, so it's better to play the work hard lottery and hope you strike it rich rather than actually trying to improve your working conditions. Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.

Also outsourcing of menial labour to countries without unions and organized labour.

Woah woah, get out of 5th my dude. He was a syndicalist and its clear his message was against development of hierarchy in socialist societies in all forms. Stalinism in particular, rather than communism.
t. libertarian for what its worth, not really my fight.

The movie was funded by the CIA. Orwell wrote the book all on his own, and its publication was delayed during ww2 because the British Government didn't want to risk pissing off the Soviets.

And what do you suppose he identified as

but his big criticisms of the left were being too gay and too vegetarian

Also too focused on some sort of mythologized, rugged worker of the factory and fields and thus out of touch with and alienating to that vast majority of modern workers of the time.

When Marx was writing Capital, joint stock companies were pretty recent, and any analysis of them was secondary, alongside the primary conceptual analysis of "the capitalist", which would then be elaborated on based on the different forms of capital ownership present.

To put things in simpler terms, it's a bit much to suppose marx figured corporations would own everything when they weren't really a thing yet in his time.

Animal Farm is expressly pro-socialist. The horror is not that animals make the farm worse, but that the ruling animals resemble the old human farmers.

Lol, next you would be thanking the capitalists for Mayday(or labour day?)

Even that illusion of meritocracy is fast slipping away but not to fear! The capitalists can just blame the foreigners that they brought over to undercut the locals as the source of all their problems