Why did the Brits go to war with nazi germany

Britain sacrificed its power just to be free. Fine for me

Doesent mean it didnt piss off France and Britain who didnt really like a bunch of communists going around land grabbing everyone they could get their greedy hands on.

Right but the UK was never realistically under threat from Nazi Germany, who didn't even want to be at war with the UK, and couldn't realistically beat the Royal Navy to allow for an invasion.

The UK went to war to maintain it's position - and in the process lost it's position.

Britain and France were indeed planning to attack the USSR first, through Finland. Read up on the Finnish expeditionary force. General Weygand also received orders to be ready to attack the oil fields of the Caucasus from Syria.

But then Hitler invaded France and it changed everything.

>meaning no single continental power emerging, which then could threaten the bong empire
Wrong, British policy during the 30s was to make Nazi Germany stronger so that it could form a front against the USSR. The Anschluss and the annexation of Czechoslovakia were deliberate actions by the part of the British government.

>Wrong, British policy during the 30s was to make Nazi Germany stronger so that it could form a front against the USSR. The Anschluss and the annexation of Czechoslovakia were deliberate actions by the part of the British government.

You have to be baiting.

Not true either, Britain want to war to prevent a the rise of a european hegemon - the same reason it fought Napoleon(and the earlier republic) and the same reason it fought Russia over Crimea.

>Why did the Brits go to war with nazi germany

Hore Belisha, Britain was quite literally jewed into ww2

There is a difference between getting pissed of and going to war that will cost millions of lives. Stalin didn't cross that line while Hitler tried to take whole parts in the center of Europe and took a shit all over the appeasement pass he got after Czechoslovakia. Taken the fact that Germany was still suspect after ww1 and the pretty violent nature of his regime he got himself the first place on the list. Stalin was much more balanced and knew how to walk the line without crossing it. Btw, did it after ww2 as well without causing a nuclear war.

where's the evidence?

His ass

Read a book faggots. Oh wait, you get all your info from the history channel..

Please quote those "books".

Im not really sure what your point is besides Stalin worship honestly. Youre talking like Stalin was some skilled politician while we already have enough archives to see most of the stuff he planned didnt go as planned at all. His original plan was to just to grab whatever land he could get away with, and winter war was already too much for britain and france since they were considering full out attack at that point. Stalin was shitting his pants at how terrible winter war went and ended it before britain and france actually started sending troops, emboldened by how shit the soviets were doing. Next part of his plan was for Germany to go and attack france and waste their troops fighting it out like in ww1, turns out france just instantly lost, oops. Well at least britain was able to resist. Of course then Germany goes full attack mode and attacks soviets instead fucking the final piece of his plan of not being part of a major world war again.
Well at least they won in the end, starting a paranoid regime that ended up killing the soviet union in the long run. Ooops.

Any one at this point.

In my third year of history undergrad bud, and my masters application just got accepted at st andrews so hop on this dick ;) x

What are your preferred gender pronouns?

You can call me anything you want - just source me that info on Britain and Germany in the 1930s.

I read it in tragedy and hope by quigley. Tbh that book does have a reputation for its conspiratiorial leanings.

>Stalin worship
Stalin was a genocidal murderer that killed millions and brought nothing but misery to the world. Me pointing out that he was smart is not a value judgment on him being worthy of worship.
That being said, he was an extremely skilled Machiavellian politician, both internally and internationally.
I agree with your post about him (like the whole world) miscalculating the way France would collapse but again how does this miss-proves him being cautious about involving himself in a world war and not making himself an obvious target for a world coalition forming against him? On the opposite, he ended the war in Finland as not to cause the intervention, his whole plan in Europe was to wait as long as possible and not enter the war first.
Unlike Hitler who was a rambling idiot that believed his own bullshit about "superior races magically winning wars" and jumped head into the fire. The only thing that kept him from being a Mussolini tier laughing stock is the German's army abilities to punch above their countries weight and despite the idiocy of its political class.

>killed millions
Your facts are inaccurate.
He didn't even kill 1 million.
Though he still killed a lot.

>Your facts are inaccurate
Would love for you to point out your breakthrough research that proves that Stalin was a good boy and all those millions were killed by evil aliens

Im mostly just denying he got picked because he was smart or charismatic and more because germany was a bigger threat to britain and framce than the soviets. After ww2 soviets got back to the shitlist like usual since they took over half of europe afterwards. The funny part is Stalin blamed france and britain for being attacked by germany.

((()))

The number of sentenced to death till 1954 was around 700k people.

>Soviets were taking over its neighbors just like Germany was right before ww2.
The Soviets didn't stars annexing their neighbors until the invasion of Poland in 1939. Unlike Germany, which had been steadily increasing its sabre-rattling for six years, the USSR had done little of note besides purging itself, and so the UK, and especially the more left-leaning France, didn't have the political capital needed to declare on the Soviets.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge
>It has been estimated between 600,000 and 3 million people died at the hands of the Soviet government during the Purge.[3][4][5][6]

And that´s only until 1938. Take your alternative facts somewhere else, commie.

>3
Communism: A History (Modern Library Chronicles) by Richard Pipes, pg 67
>4
Life and Terror in Stalin's Russia: 1934–1941. – book reviews[dead link] by Robert Conquest, 1996, National Review
>5
Soviet Repression Statistics: Some Comments by Michael Ellman, 2002
>6
"Robert Conquest, The Great Terror: A Reassessment: 40th Anniversary Edition, Oxford University Press, USA, 2007.
>proven sources of some western "objective" historians.

You do realize that citing "Any book" as your source after making such an outrageous claim makes you look like a total moron, right?

Churchill's plan was for Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union to destroy each other. It didn't really work out that way.

They did though. They told France to fuck off and stop enforcing Versailles terms.

>Fritz-close, aggressive, competent
>Ivan-far, playing it safe, weak

Also they considered Hitler a wall against Bolshevism, so he was given a free pass at first, but he blew it due to his severe autism.

If you had scrolled down two posts you would have seen the book I cited you brainlet.

Bait

Stalin dicksuckers are the cringiest faggots on this board.

Dumbest thing I've ever read.

because they invaded Poland, Denmark and Norway, two of those countries have royal families related to the British monarchy. And lets not forget that WW1 was very much related,

British strategy was always to keep a balance of power in Europe to prevent a continental power from consolidating which would be able to eventually challenge their naval power.
The USSR after the Polish Soviet War showed that it could be contained while the Germans didn't. Since USSR wasn't expansionist until the Germans started chimping out and creating a power vacuum, they were the lesser threat compared to Germany which was trying to conquer continental Europe.

When Britain declared war on Germany the USSR was on Nazi Germany's side.

There were a bunch of trade embargoes on the soviet union before the war started,

No it wasn't, they had a non aggression pact.

Slightly rhetorical on my part but the point still stands, OP's question...

>and not the soviets?
>I know that communism triggered Curchill and the other bourgeois politicians a hell of alot more then Fascism did.
>so why didn't they let Hitler maybe even help him invade the Soviets?

...only even makes sense if you are aware of the events of the next couple of years afterwards. At the time the UK declared war on Germany the USSR had a non-aggression pact with Germany and had helped them invade Poland and Churchill wasn't even prime minister.

Obviously Britain at the time they declared war on the Nazis weren't fortune tellers that knew what was going to happen in the future.

strawwwwmannnnn

It's arguable with what we know now that Stalinists were primarily interested in establishing defense for Russia. Worldwide proletarian revolution was just a meme by the late 1920s. Then by 1950s the game changed to bipolar world stuff.

not a tankie, most of the shit Stalin did was bad

thank you. i dream of a world where people look at sources critically

>because they invaded Poland
So did the SU

I think it had something to do with a treaty with Poland.

England: "Hey hitler, if you invade Poland, we're going to war"
France: "Ditto"
Hitler: "DURRRRRRRRR"

The goal of British and French foreign policy was to let Germany get closer to the USSR and hope the scary commies and the spooky fascists just destroyed each other. The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was what sparked war, not the invasion of Poland.

>hating bankers makes you a nazi

but the soviets also invaded Poland, besides who give a shit about fucking Poland

Gulags were far more humane than Nazi concentration camps though.

I'm not saying that thousands didn't starve or were worked to death, but often the reason was honestly that they didn't have food, as evidenced that even the population outside the gulag had none.

Meanwhile in Nazi Germany a fat Nazi officer would cap your ration at 3 spoons of soup, while eating a steak. And later you were gassed.

Can't really compare the two.

It didn't? It sure as hell did.

Maybe Russia wasn't as weak after the war as some people would have preferred it. The idea was that Germany would so totally wreck Russia that any leader after that war would run crying to the West and beg to be accepted and to do anything they asked, just in exchange for not giving them the death blow and maybe help them rebuild. (Basically what happened in 1990).

But the Soviet Union came out stronger than some expected and even had the guts to defy the West. Ironically, maybe precisely because land-lease was so fucking generous.