Stab-in-the-back myth

with these threads in general

*/pol/ with dates*

this

>and its rise within Russia
Umm wasn't it Germany who let Lenin travel back to Russia in like 1915-1916?

Why were they all Jews?

Honestly I can see why the Germans considered them undesirables after this.

That picture is the definition of cherry-picking and you peeps not even going on the Wikipedia to look it up yourselves

But I did, and at least seven WERE Jews

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Revolution_of_1918–19

anglos and jews
pro back stabbers

>Umm wasn't it Germany who let Lenin travel back to Russia
So you're trying to blame Germany for the figure of Lenin and what he did because they let him back into Russia?

And supplied him with funding, organization, weapons, created the social situation that made revolution possible, like that whole "Crushing Russian armies wholesale" thing.

Sabotaged the country's war efforts, and started the revolution (deliberately merged with the Spartacist Uprising), which ended the war, even though Germany was totally going to win it.

Yeah like a month, only a Communist or a Jew would pretend the two were not connected. It was the same playbook as what happened in Russia.
>revolutonary communists organize mutinies among the soldiers and riots among workers
>government collapses and is replaced by an ineffectual "liberal" government composed of the less hardline leftists and useful idiots
>revolutionary communists then attempt to overthrow the weak liberal government and go full Red

The only difference was that the Spartacists failed where the Bolsheviks succeeded, and the organizers came to the sticky end they rightfully deserved.

So how is it "stab in the back" if the war was already other by the time of the uprising?

>this is what the average /pol/tard actually believes

I literally just explained how the "uprising" was just a continuation of the mutinies that led to Germany's withdrawal from the war.

Not even him, but are you seriously implying that the Whites in Russia were in bed with the Reds? Or that they were leftist? Do you have ANY idea what you're talking about?

Here's a much simpler cause and effect.
>War is going shittily, people are starving, the front is breaking.
>Sailors ordered in a suicide mission because the navy hasn't "properly fought"
>Refuse such a suicidal action, mutiny and riot
>discontent spreads, because things are actually going pretty shittily.
>Government collapses.
>In the instability, other, smaller groups like communists try to take on this new, weak government where they wouldn't dare to strike at the older, imperial government.

So are you saying the Reds organized the mutiny and the Revolution but for some reason they didn't take the power but instead staged the desperate uprising a month latter?

>Not even him, but are you seriously implying that the Whites in Russia were in bed with the Reds?
Are you seriously implying that "the Whites" were a unified ideological block, and not just a hodgepodge of interests united only by their resistance towards the Bolshevics?
Obviously I'm not calling the Whites Reds dumbass.

They were predominantly rightest military officials, and not left in any sense of the word.

>Obviously I'm not calling the Whites Reds dumbass.

No, you're just saying that it's all part of the master plan of the Judeo-communists to first stage a revolt with their pawns and then revolt against them, as if that makes any sense whatsofuckingever.

There was no "Whites" until mid 1918 tho.

>ignoring their link to SPD

>No, you're just saying that it's all part of the master plan of the Judeo-communists to first stage a revolt with their pawns and then revolt against them, as if that makes any sense whatsofuckingever.

Hey it's not my fault that the two incidents in question practically mirror each other, blame the "Judeo-communists" for being unimaginative not me.

>Several parties were in a coalition against the government
>Therefore this tiny party I don't like is responsible for everything
Again, if they had organized everything and had had influence over SPD, why start the doomed uprising in the first place?

>How exactly did the home front betray Germany in WW1?
they didn't
>What did the "Jew" do, that allegedly lost Germany the war?
nothing

in fact peace saved Germany from the absolute disaster it would have faced in the Winter/Spring/Summer of 1919.

>REEEE WHY DON'T THEY BELIEVE MY LEFTYPOL PROPAGANDA!

>we lost the war and we need someone to blame it on other than ourselves. I have an idea!

>What did the "Jew" do, that allegedly lost Germany the war?
Nothing

>Jews serve in the military at higher rates than ethnic Germans in WW1! But they fucked it over!
>I will only focus on the Spartacist uprising, whose primary leader Liebnecht, was not Jewish. I will of course ignore every OTHER socialist group.
>I will ignore how the Bolsheviks were actually financed by the Kaiser's government, and that Balts were more prominently represented in the Bolshevik party than Jews were.

>hold muh schnapz und vatch dis...
>Prussian military establishment supports the rise of ultra-violent communist party in Russia
>oh shit the same terrible war-time conditions that helped the commies in Russia are helping it spread here!
>oh shit Eric! we made a monster...
>it's ok I got an idea...

"it vas der Juden"

>4 males for 1 female
>no wonder why leftism is the religion of cucks

just stop, subhuman

>collapse of a government leads to brutal melee of various revolutionary groups trying to exploit the power vacuum
>in Russia the winner is gommunism, in Germany it isn't
>instead of being normal power struggles at a terrifying new level it's a schemes by the dastardly juden

was Beiyang China also a jewish plot, because it seemed to go through the exact same period

>Jews serve in the military at higher rates than ethnic Germans in WW1!
source?

>continues to treat the Spartacists as if they were just some fringe group unaffiliated with anyone but themselves and that revolutionary workers and soldiers councils sprang up throughout Germany magically without any organizing influence whatsoever.

fucking eternal Lutheran...

>REEE WHY DON'T THEY BELIEVE MY POL PROPAGANDA

> Balts were more prominently represented in the Bolshevik party than Jews were
I agree with the overall message, but this isn't actually true. Balts were the force Bolsheviks used extensively at the start of the Civil War, but they weren't ideologically motivated, neither did they join the party en masse, they fought mostly because Bolsheviks promised self-determination for the peoples of the empire and payed well.

It is more Germany's fault than any Jew.

>was Beiyang China also a jewish plot
If Communists were the driving force behind the collapse then probably yes.

not that guy but I've read that in several different books on WW1..."the Darkest Valley", "Bonhoeffer" and "Einstein in Berlin" off the top of my head.

...

> class traitors
Lel, murrican commies have nothing to do with working class.

>radio talk shows and tv personalities
who?

>Germans
>Jews
The only difference is the lack of foreskin.

do they provide sources or numbers themselves?

>continues to behave as if all socialist organization throughout Germany was exclusively maintained by the shadowy clutches of the Spartacists and no one else at all

>Judenzahlung is expressly done to prove that Jews aren't serving in the army and generally not contributing to der Fatherland's survival and is carried out with the overt purpose of justifying anti-semetism
>mysteriously, the results aren't published

let me guess, the Jews somehow pulled strings to prevent the results from being released?

They were crushed by the SPD government. Yes, they were originally part of SPD but they split when they realized that SPD isn't revolutionary enough.
The councils in Germany sprang up rather spontaneously. Soldiers and workers were mostly pro-SPD. The communists were never that popular in Germany.

what the fuck are you talking about

do you have a source or not for your statement

>/pol/tards STILL openly lie about this

both if I remember correctly...WW1 German army records are pretty complete. Also they recorded people's religion pretty well too. It'd be easy to document or refute.

can you provide them

Holocaust nowadays is mostly a pop-cultural meme, people don't really think about all this suffering caused by the Nazis. It's honestly disgusting. Imagine being a Jewish German patriot in the 1930s. People you fought for now call you a traitor, destroy your property, beat you up and even try to murder your entire ethnic/religious group.

>continues to behave as if all socialist organization throughout Germany was exclusively maintained by the shadowy clutches of the Spartacists and no one else at all
No, I'm maintaining that Reds are Reds, and that you don't get to pretend that the Spartacists were some kind of unconnected aberation that had nothing to do with the mutinies prior to the January uprising.

Yes, but not in the revolution against the reich. The table shows the people in the spartacist uprising, which is why the weimar republic and the reich appear on the same side.

They openly lie about their ideas and still think they're 100% true and just.

It's a fucking sickness, I tell you.

Do you have proof what so ever that jewish communist used their jewish mind tricks on the sailors to start the revolution? And if they did, then why would they waste that extra step in making it a more moderate government for the communist to over throw instead of just directly making it a communist government? Especially since this failed horribly in Germany?

Well, considering most of them were in jail they really didn't.

The funny thing is that the "Germans" did way more harm to their own people than the "Jews" ever could. These people were fighting for the proletariat.

>I have literally no argument besides an analogy that doesn't prove my point and speculation but everyone who disagrees is a jew

It really is amazing how many of the Nazi stereotypes about Jews apply to /pol/tards

Not only that, but they also made it an anti communist government. Those jews are seriously retarded.

>The councils in Germany sprang up rather spontaneously.
So people all across Germany organized themselves into Bolshevik style "soviets" at the exact same time, by pure coincidence? This is what you believe?

theres one canadian stormfag on /pol/ that continues to shitpost this every day even though most of the replies are just people calling him out on his bullshit. And its a vicious cycle because the more he makes the threads, the more people call him out, and the more his lies are exposed to more people.

I dont know if they are just scumbag liars or are just these really stupid people who just deny reality for their little meme ideas.

those are some nice jew tiddies

why put those two things in quotes

"Most of them" were not in jail. Liebknecht and Luxemburg being in jail does not magically cause the rank and file to fall into a stupor like something out of a fairytale.

Councils are older than the bolsheviks. SPD was the biggest and most popular party and the councils were a symbol of revolutionaries since at least 1905. It wasn't something inherent to bolsheviks.

> Bolshevik style "soviets"
You have no idea, don't you? Soviets inherently have nothing to do with Bolsheviks, the word itself means "council", it is a form of self-organization and direct democracy. They self-organized in the March 1917, but Bolsheviks stated to dominate them only by the October.

will you suck my dick afterwards?

read a book you lazy cunt, it's well documented. Jews and Catholics both considered WW1 as an opportunity to show that they were "good Germans".

>And if they did, then why would they waste that extra step in making it a more moderate government for the communist to over throw instead of just directly making it a communist government?
>why do you cut out a wedge from one side of a tree before cutting the other?
No one knows.....

Thats what happen to every historical events when it got old, Genghis Khan is now a meme, and so will Hitler, get over it

I asked for a source from the original person who made the claim you rude double nigger, how about you not fucking reply if you can't actually provide what I'm asking for

retard

Thats retarded though. If you are going to trick people into over throwing the government, why would you not replace it immediately with your government? Why would you replace it with a government that is openly hostile to you and then kills you off when you try to over throw it?

>the word itself means "council"
Why do you think I called them soviets idiot?
"Councils" may have nothing to do with Bolshevism, but when Bolshevik style "Worker and Soldier" councils spring up only a Bolshevik would pretend there's no connection.

I don't like in-grouping them into two simple identities when its clearly more complicated than that.

because ideally the replacement government will be weaker than the previous government. This isn't rocket science, you're making this more complicated than it is because you don't want to admit that communist agitation led to the collapse of the German war effort and the stabbed in the back "myth" has some strains of truth to it.

I'm sure you'd prefer to split them up into classes and economic groupings instead

fuck off you ideologically involved queer

>because ideally the replacement government will be weaker than the previous government.

then why did they do the exact opposite and replace it with a government that kicked their asses? Again, why even bother with this step and not just make a communist government a new one from the start?

You getting more openly hostile isnt really helping your point at all. And again, you still never explained exactly how jewish communist tricked the sailors into starting the revolution. You didnt even name the specific communist jews responsible. You just speak in very vague ways

But what benefit would there be to having a weaker government, when you can just go straight ahead to the government you want, without the risk of having a second revolution?

>judenzahlung
>"what are you talking about"

here's the source: www.justfuckinggoogleitorreadagoddamnbook.com

You literally have not given a single piece of evidence supporting your point. All you have is dumb analogies and ridiculous speculation fueled by confirmation bias.

>ask for source on specific point you bring up
>HURR DURR READ THE ENTIRETY OF THESE FOUR BOOKS LOL WOT R U STUPID?
fuck OFF you silly nigger, just give me the stats you insist exist or admit your point is bogus, which it is if you don't actually try to back it up at all

Would you google "judenzahlung" like that user says already?

letmegooglethat.com/?q=judenzahlung

>"unless you make an image macro referencing a bunch of stuff your point is invalid"

Why are you acting as if you can just go straight from street-fighting to government in one step?
When you're fucking someone in the ass, do you just jam it in or do you work it in slowly? Fucking people in the ass with communism is no different. An anti-communist government will resist communism tooth and nail, a communist sympathetic government may resist but not to the extent the previous government did.

The German Reds simply miscalculated their support in the new government and got kicked in the balls accordingly for trying to fuck Germany in the ass with communism too quickly.

lol...a curious person would google the claim, most of us have better things to do then conduct a research project for a fucking NEET /pol/tard who would just reject the claim out of hand...

the truth is out there bitch, do your own homework or better yet read up on the subject you lazy bastard.

>tree cutting metaphor
>ass fucking metaphor

>Hey these revolutionary Marxist organizations follow similar models of operation despite being seperated by hundreds of miles, there's probably a connection.
>THAT'S JUST RIDICULOUS SPECULATION FUELED BY YOUR CONFIRMATION BIAS REEEEEE
t. Red