Why has sub-saharan africa never created any culture or civilization of great value?

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It has produced culture and civilization. Whether they were or "great value" is subjective.

Which is exactly why "great" is put into these OPs, so when it gets disproved he can just go "nuh uh, not (my subjective personal definition of) great".

Finland currently has a fantastic civilization!

>liberal
>secular
>""""fantastic""""
wew.

"/pol/tard" logic exists because of the things expounded upon in that book. /pol/, and any scientific minded person, is racist because the differences are true, and those are due to the natural conditions explained by diamond.

I'll backtrack: it's not god tier. but the finnish people are a great people who kicked commie ass and produced Simo Hayha. Yeah, this might be ruined by the current and (possibly) upcoming events in europe, but finland is a nice country with nice culture.

>Finland.
>civilization.

American?

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Of course

And...?

Wasn't so much the "kicked commie ass" that made it obvious, but the authoritative voice talking about something of which you only have the most shallow of meme knowledge.

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Socialist detected

He didn't stop Finland from becoming Sweden's cum dumpster.

>UN
They're fantastic at drawing lines that have nothing to do with anything.

bump

why

why not?

Plato was black

>Why has sub-saharan africa never created any culture or civilization of great value?
Kek.

Objectively define the worth of a civilizations culture. Go on. I shall be waiting.

hard to trade with people if you gotta cross a massive desert then go through rainforest with tropical diseases

Actually op the Great Mud Mosque is pretty neato

Why does mud get shat on so much anyway? It really does meet the needs of a lot of sub saharan Africans.

>what are boats

They are continuously refinishing it, sort of like the Golden Gate bridge.

Its not the mud itself but the level of construction

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Give em a break, man. The human race isn't egalitarian. You have those who build great marble buildings and those who build mud huts and everything in between.

>what are raging cataracts, plateaus, and regular coastlines?

I dunno, it's pretty aesthetic

Shit environment, no Neanderthal admixture, geographic isolation due to the Sahara and lack of trade removing any impetus for complex political structures and written language, etc

Low IQ is the EFFECT, not the cause.

Why do we have this thread every day?

why do people keep posting things in the sahara instead of things located below the saharan desert?

You forgot inbreeding that would make Saudi Arabia blush.

>geographic isolation due to the Sahara

The more I consider things the more I'm certain this was the largest barrier to growth that the sub-saharans had to deal with.

It kept them in a giant bubble.

>the great mud mosque
that actually looks pretty cool tho

>Mali
>Ashanti
>Ghana
>Kongo

>no Neanderthal admixture
Aside from that fact that Neanderthals were dumber than humans, Africans actually do have admixture

nature.com/news/african-genes-tracked-back-1.13607

Keep up with the news

Why do people seriously answer these threads?

>You forgot inbreeding that would make Saudi Arabia blush.

Nigga what?

>no Neanderthal admixture
this meme needs to die. There is no evidence that neanderthal mixture contributed anything substantial. Stormfags also forget that lots of ethnic groups have neanderthal mixture , not just whites.

Nile River has a point that past it is just plain cataracts so the extent of travelling the river is pretty limited based on where you are on the river and how far you can move stuff by boat.

It's one of those memes they have because they do poor research and never get challenged

Like the "Out-of-Africa-has-been-debunked" cranks

These guys don't grasp the geography of Africa. They think it's the garden of eden or something.

Because you can't tame zebras

>3k years ago to eastern africa
>roughly the time kush springs up
>second one going through around the time aksum springs up
>time period and location end around the time zimbabwe empire springs up
That timing is somewhat amusing in context

Fuck off jared diamond.

>A white man had to create that picture because niggers are too stupid to do it themselves
Great "civilization" you got there

Does that simple fact somehow negate their status as a civilization?

Can we just start banning these threads? There's never any meaningful discussion

guess that means we should remove all of Veeky Forums then.

It's like geography is sorely a undertaught subject inn school.

People wouldn't ask "why didn't the Irish just fish during the famine" if people knew about Ireland's lack of natural harbours AND under developed fishing industry.

Fuck that is so retarded it genuinely hurts

The concentration of retardation in this thread is too damn high

No shit, the question is what causes the spectrum. If you think it's just pure chance then I can take a wild guess where you find yourself on it.

Egypt did have contact with It's Southern neighbours a lot and quite often.

racial differences are only bone marrow deep.

The Yoruba were highly civilized. Look at the city of Ilé-Ifé.

because they live in a climate where mud is unusable and think everyone else does too.
Can certain types of mud be fired solid, so it doesn't melt?

Because it's fun to learn about africa, even if /pol/ keeps shitting on it.

Its cruel
I can't imagine myself if I were an African and looking at this board, its just too harsh

>muh simo

lol'd thanks

They did, and you posted one of them. If anything, you mean the central part of Africa which is just plain jungle people.

HOL UP

>1000 AD
>2000 people living in a sub-arctic climate
>millions of nignogs living comfortably in the tropics

Hmm, totally comparable.

If you were an african you wouldn't be able to look at this board.

Are you forgetting the rest of Scandinavia? Those people did something.

I'm not sure, but the tropical areas did employ wattle and Daub to compensate for the moisture in the region.

>dense jungles improper for civilization
>sparsely populated as well
>dangerous predatory animals
>less easily domesticable animals
>shitton of deadly diseases like malaria
>completely isolated from the rest of the world

Yeah, real comfortable.

I;'m guessing the Sahara was not there when all those mega-structures were being built, but whatevs.

>read/watch Guns, Germs, and Steel, it explains most of these things without relying on /pol/tard logic.

/pol/ hates the book for a priori reasons.

I hate it because it is obvious nonsense. Bad arguments made against bad racist arguments are not magically good arguments.

No need. Report the racist /pool/posts en masse, then do not respond to them. debate posters who leave bigotry pout of it.

>if people knew about Ireland's lack of natural harbours AND under developed fishing industry.

An underdeveloped fishing industry would not be a good answer for why a fishing industry did not develop.

Can you explain to me about the lack of good harbors? The coast seems crawling with good natural nooks and crannies, but perhaps there is some feature not shown on the map that makes them unsuitable. I am not a student of Irish history but am curious now.

lol, you're fucking retarded, man.

Eskimos did too compared to Africans. Eskimo technology was incredibly sophisticated and innovative compared to negroid innovations such as the stick.

> Diamond
McNeill did it better tough, because the Continental axes theory of Diamon is full of holes. and lacks the ability of agency of peoples.

Black Africa was sparsely populated

It had a lot more to do with the fact that Ireland was a net exporter of food, and the absentee landlords in London exported all the food despite the famine, because prices would always be higher elsewhere. Simple economics. Potatoes were considered so worthless that they were the only food staple the Irish could actually afford. There's also a very natural reason the British wouldn't invest in Irish fishing, because it would compete with their own fishing industry.

Eskimos independently invented iron and farmed? Eskimo raised livestock and organized beyond the tribal level?

They survived in a climate Astronauts train in to prepare for mars. Africans lived in the native habitat of primates. The two do not compare.

Try a Dwarf Fortress glacier embark if you still think fuckin glaciers are easy living.

Negroids didn't invent iron or farming.
Despite adopting useful technology from Eurasia, they never managed to improve it or create their own.

Lad

They killed animals...and wore their skins

Not rocket science

WRONG: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nok_culture

>Iron use, in smelting and forging for tools, appears in Nok culture by at least 550 BCE and possibly earlier. Data from historical linguistics suggest that iron smelting was independently discovered in the region prior to 1000 BCE.[2][3] Scientific field work began in 2005 to systematically investigate Nok archaeological sites, and to better understand Nok terracotta sculptures within their Iron Age archaeological context.[

Dude, it's common knowledge that Niger-Congo speakers independently invented iron in the region between Niger and Nigeria. They farmed millet, rice, sorghum, and other dry crops. The introduction of yams, bananas, and other wet crops are what sparked the Bantu expansion from Cameroon.

But when that animal is your sole source of food and materials, and you have to reuse everything instead of picking up shit off the ground. They didn't even have wood for fires.

If you can't understand the difference between living in a continent that literally provides everything humans need to survive on a silver fucking platter, and living in a place with ice, nothing but ice, undrinkable water, subzero temperatures, and entirely dependent on hunting and fishing to survive, then you're some kind of next level retard woke shaq Kyrie Irving style mofo who can't tell his head from his ass and thinks the world is flat.

They learned everything from Eurasians. SSA wasn't isolated.

Same thread every fucking day! Mods need to curb this

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