I've having stress problems lately and am anxious about ETH position in my portfolio. It is the largest gainer and is what made portfolio what it is.
What the hell do I do? Do I sell ETH and buy BTC? Or do I just keep holding this portfolio as is for 5 years?
I bought BTC about 5 years ago and used profits to buy ETH really early, but now that ETH had taken this huge stake of entire portfolio I am not sure what to do anymore, sell it for BTC or just let it ride.
Serious answers only please.
This is not all of my money, but it is about 70% of what I have from total. So seeing your value jumping 200k day to day can be quite taxing mentally, yet those who make the big boy gains are usually the ones holding for the longest time (time in market > timing the market) assuming you aren't holding shit.
What would you do in my case guys? Assuming I have 100k$ in index funds and 100k$ in cash?
So total crypto ~550k$ +100k$ index funds + 100k$ cash = 750k$ as of now
I have good jobs, but the profits from these jobs do not compare the paper profits of crypto for the last few months.
The fuck do I do? John Bogle would say:"Buy right and sit tight", but these are not fucking indices, this is fucking internet money!
- Switch to PoS allowing me to earn from staking and locking out coins from circulation - Raiden and lightning network - Developer ecosystem, biggest ever
Jack Williams
Uhh, no I don't think I want LTC. It has always been a clonecoin with no real advantages.
Also, Bitcoin will implement SegWit.
What happens in December?
Jaxson Sanders
could send all etherium into stratus if you are that concerned, or you could hold until the days leading up to the Aug. 1st conference. Nobody knows what they'll discuss but there will be a bitcoin fork, and people won't know what that means for trading.
holy fuck that portfolio is huge dude
Angel Rodriguez
C-can you share the template?
pretty pls
Liam Baker
This is sweet, nice work on the spreadsheet my dude
Jose Hall
> It has always been a clonecoin with no real advantages. ACTUAL USE AND ADOPTION >What happens in December? LTC WILL BE $2500
Brody Smith
Serious question: why not liquidate half of your position?
Ethereum looks to be big but it isn't implemented yet so there's literally no knowing (Vitalik could die tomorrow). I think BTC is more or less on track to becoming a viable normie currency so I wouldn't worry about that but I almost feel like ethereum is on borrowed time
Anthony Brooks
Why will LTC be $2500 in December, could you explain please?
>holy fuck that portfolio is huge dude
Thanks to ETH, and that is what is giving me stress. 73% ETH, without it, portfolio is nothing, but then again...it is the most promising coin so far.
Alexander Davis
>- Switch to PoS allowing me to earn from staking and locking out coins from circulation Only top 20-30 hodlers in PoS coins actually can get their reward for staking. It's not free money for all.
Jason Miller
Hello autism guy.
I am newcoiner guy. Any tips for template?
Do you manually put in current price on your template?? Where's the original purchase prize?
David Bailey
Seriously, why not buy ans?
Mason Martin
>Only top 20-30 hodlers in PoS coins actually can get their reward for staking. It's not free money for all.
Source? I'm pretty sure every staker will get rewards according to algorithm.
Isaiah Thomas
>Serious question: why not liquidate half of your position?
I don't want to get out of crypto game, because long term it should grow as an industry.
I am stressed mostly about how much is tied to ETH, thinking maybe it would be smart to sell ETH for BTC, because BTC is sort of recovering, having SEGWIT and first mover advantage. Then again, BTC is fucking depreciated and ETH has better tech, more developers, EEA and much more hype in general.
Jaxson Lopez
>Why will LTC be $2500 in December, could you explain please? Huge volume, strong support. There was like 1.7 billion trade volume some days ago. Transactions volume exponentially grow in blockchain too. Why don't you did your own research?
Hunter Reed
just because it's a clone doesn't mean its worthless, bitcoin fees are fucking ridiculous and as soon as exchanges get their shit together i'll be trading from exchanges in LTC, additionally unlike all the shitcoins you have listed, even the ones you don't consider shitcoins, LTC actually has use and is being adopted.
Do you really think SIA is worth $400+ million dollars, or ever could be? Really?
LTC is grossly undervalued imo.
Kayden Russell
But don't you think people will just use Bitcoin? Once SegWit gets activated for Bitcoin, why would they use Litecoin at all?
Joshua White
>Source? I'm pretty sure every staker will get rewards according to algorithm. Nope. You need to sign a block to mint a coin. Don't know if ethereum devs has plans on some new model, but today in PoS only 20-30 top stakers can sign a block. Other stakers should wait like a year or two for their turn. Just like with PoW solo mining without pools.
SegWit is more a meme, LN can't scale network too much. Bitcoin need really big blocks to handle all transactions, all 2 megabytes will become full in day or two.
Jaxon Thompson
But in that case Litecoin has literally the same problem, no?
Jeremiah Nelson
Yes. But Litecoin already has 4x bigger blocks and will make blocks bigger without drama, as Coblee stated in his manifesto.
Kayden Reed
Not really 4x bigger blocks now, sorry, but rather block time, yet blocks can grow.
Xavier Walker
Hmm...well I do hold almost 1% in Litecoin.
Brandon Bennett
This will be huge pile of money when ETH will be delisted from exchanges due to low volume. Good for you.
Jose Wilson
You classify ETH as actual use. Have you really done your research here user? It doesn't have anything on it ATM but icos and hype. Most of your other analysis I agree with, but I think you might be seeing that one through a personal tint
It all kind of reminds me of Twitter in the months leading up to it's public trading debut. A lot of hype and little substance. The pundits saying "surely they have something to justify the hype, or this valuation would be silly." And it was silly
Plus, for me personally, if one token had that much weight in my portfolio, I'd sell and diversify, or cash out a comfy amount so it doesn't get so stressful watching that one basket. I won't tell you what to dump those profits in, bc I'm no shill
Just my opinion, user. Take it or leave it
Christian Walker
can you take all that ETH and put it into STRAT to make me rich plz and thankyou
i do love your portfolio though i was literally telling some guy about it the other day but forgot to take a screenshot last time, any chance you still have that template around?
Justin James
i recommend you buy some more antshares
John Adams
I would highly consider getting rid of at least some of that ETH and distributing it among other coins, possibly cashing out a little to fiat.
I'm somewhat biased against it but I see way too much irrational hype in the community and it's beginning to see a lot of competition (Tezos, EOS, Aeternity, RSK, BOScoin...), none of which have had a chance to prove themselves yet however. I also don't think it's seeing much "actual use" nor could it see such due to scaling problems. I'm not convinced of sharding at all, I can dig up some links on that if you want. Its biggest use case currently is ICOs.
What do you think about Decred? I wouldn't put it in tier 4 myself but I see you're pretty strict about the ranking. I'd consider adding Iconomi somewhere in there, it's centralized unlike Melonport but being centralized, at least in the beginning, can only make it easier for them imo.
There's an unofficial response to those papers by one of the community members.
Monero does have room for improvement, and they're working on it, but since RingCT the situation is not that bad. It's still the only actively developed "anoncoin" that has enforced protocol level privacy. They have a strong community which is really important.
OP should read about STARKs and Mimblewimble though, if he hasn't yet. They're vaporware but I think Monero will have to evolve drastically to keep up long-term.
Landon White
>xmr >best privacy coin >not zcoin
you cant be autistic and not know zcoin is the only relevant privacy coin
William Diaz
>template
Ooh yes please sir - also is there any way for us to implement live crypto prices into spreadsheets? I know it's possible for currencies.
Nolan Anderson
Also, if Ethereum fails I see no way how ETC would take its place. Much more likely any other smart contract platforms now in development would start eating its market share.
No.
Aiden Long
>Much more likely any other smart contract platforms now in development would start eating its market share.
Which ones do you think? WAVES, UBIQ, STRATIS, ANTSHARES?
Cameron Ortiz
Why do you think ETH out of all coins will get delisted? Or are you trolling?
How does something with so many devs, EEA and all that potential simply get delisted?
>Have you really done your research here user? It doesn't have anything on it ATM but icos and hype.
ICO scam platform is actual use.
I am considering reducing the ETH stash though, maybe to 50%? And put rest in Bitcoin and other cryptos.
Hudson Williams
>eth >tier 1 >not about to be tier 5 when it's revealed how much of a fraud vitalik really is
Adam Peterson
>Move a percentage of your ETH back to BTC. Keep a majority of ETH. You'll probably have a million dollars worth by the end of the year. >Be a little more speculative. You only have $500 worth of some coins. If they were worth holding you'd put more in those.
Carson Ross
>What do you think about Decred? I wouldn't put it in tier 4 myself but I see you're pretty strict about the ranking.
DECRED might be good in theory, but won't this "self governence" thing just turn out into a whale fest like everything? Also, they might need to have more than that to make it big.
>I'd consider adding Iconomi somewhere in there ICONOMI is basically and index fund of cryptos and why would I need one if I'm building one myself? Or do they have other advantages?
Adam Morales
can you share your template please?
Aaron Turner
>not about to be tier 5 when it's revealed how much of a fraud vitalik really is
Can you provide details?
Gabriel Johnson
Willing to share that template user?
Landon Russell
>and is what made my portfolio what it is pretty sentimental for an autistic.
Gavin Peterson
Dude, are you autistic for real? There was some irony.
Alexander Torres
any good excel books or ta to do a similiar chart to this? I need a target to point my autism in.
Isaiah Rivera
i think dgb wont survive
Lincoln Baker
You set your eth pc for a reason, and you are panicking during a dip. Gut says hodl, Brain says if you invested early and are enjoying some massive gains why not exit a chunk of eth as fiat - crypto is going to be volatile and you are probably 5000-1000 up. Cash out a chunk? Otherwise that's a really really nice looking portfolio, you've got a lot of sensible picks at sensible levels.
Leo Collins
I mentioned some others in the earlier post but like I said they're mostly in development unlike those you mentioned.
I haven't looked into Antshares at all, I think Waves is ok but I haven't read enough about that to have a strong opinion.
UBIQ is just a well shilled meme "community driven" fork of Ethereum unless I'm missing something. It's one of the coins the shill armies on Twitter shove down everyone's throats.
>won't this "self governence" thing just turn out into a whale fest like everything? Yes but I don't see that as a problem, someone with a lot at stake should have a say in the matters and they should be acting rational as it's in their self interest to preserve the value of the protocol - there's no misalignment of incentives like with Bitcoin now. You have the added security of PoW but the stakeholders, unlike with Bitcoin, have direct power in the system with the miners and are able to pressure them by denying their rewards. I'm no expert on game theory or anything, I might be totally off with my reasoning.
>Also, they might need to have more than that to make it big. They do. They're working on lightning network integration, adding the stakeholder controlled DAO, smart contracts, added privacy and other things. Their community is growing well and they have some good developers that are behind the golang implementation of Bitcoin.
>ICONOMI is basically and index fund of cryptos and why would I need one if I'm building one myself? Or do they have other advantages? They allocate part of the fees and profit of ICNX to a buyback + burn which makes it a good hold in my opinion. The team is quite good and they handle their business well from what I've seen. It's just a relatively small bag I have on the side, I think it has potential now that cryptos are penetrating into "normie" territory, something I could see my dad consider buying.
Also, I'd dump all of that DGB and throw it into Factom.
Sebastian Rogers
I mean 5-10k percent
Easton Richardson
Keep Eth for now, but keep an eye on the scaling issues they're having. Every new ICO creates a tx backlog that takes hours if not days to clear, and the devs do not currently have a solution that is ready for mainnet.
I personally would re-balance my portfolio to be a little more altcoin heavy, looking at coins in the top 50 that offer similar services to Eth without the blockchain bloat (smart-contract type functionality, active dev team, and off-chain/side-chain support to limit scaling issues).
I like/am invested in ARK, Lisk, and WAVES. I got out of ETH itself once it hit $400, and while I still have money in a few eth-based ICOs, I don't hold any ether anymore.
That's just my perspective as an infosec specialist working for an F500 institution, though; take it or leave it.
Charles Gray
Holy shit - why don't you have byteball Byteball.io Link your 30 btc for 62mb per btc per month with 20pc compound
Dylan Reed
Not op
One small tip
make one long list of your coins and make the exchange a column ( this way when you sort it coins wont appear in the wrong exchanges)
your exchange (if half decent) will provide you with a csv if you require your trading history, dont track it unless you need it, if so move to a different sheet
Nicholas Long
Yeah definitely get that Byteball, you're missing out on free money.
Elijah Butler
Ethereum right now is really high and with all the icos and fomo is vulnerable to panic selling if there's a hack. Right now there are thousands and thousands of eth locked in a few wallets in charge of some questionable organisations.
Take some profit from eth, sell stuff that depends on eth and coins that are prone to dip if something happens. Stay in USDT for a while. Don't keep everything in coins if things are stagnant.
Jeremiah Mitchell
I don't really care about fiat, I know that in long term cryptos will go up.
I care about diversification among cryptos themselves.
Zachary Adams
Byteball had a bug that Monero devs pointed out and they did not even fix. Also Byteball sounds stupid and reminds me of this: youtube.com/watch?v=WOOw2yWMSfk
I don't think normies will buy something called "Byteball"
Eli Reed
Yeah but you get it for free so why not? There's no strings attached.
Tyler Sullivan
I'm not saying to buy it - current gb price is 7-800 usd, you would get 2 x that every full moon for next 5 months, plus compound interest. It's a tier 4, might not get normie interest, but take the free money - you just have to prove you own the Bitcoin (sign byteball address with your bitcoin)
Jayden Evans
Why do people think miners run bitcoin and not the top hodlers? Think more about it. Miners cant do shit without an ok from the top whales.
Brayden Peterson
Autist stopped responding while autism takes over and he's talking to the byteball transition bot as we speak for his free byteballz
Parker Evans
I would argue you should identify your risk profile and adjust your holding accordingly. Don't look at it as potential profit you are missing out on, look at it as intentionally reducing risk (and thus return).
Personally, my plan once I get past a certain portfolio size is to start extracting half my gains every month to either pay off debt or to pump it in to stocks and set some aside for taxes. You should seriously look at your logistics for cashing out.
As far as crypto balance goes, my plan is to adjust my portfolio every month and diversify across several coins to reduce risk, although typically the less I touch the stuff the better I do, so I might make it a quarterly thing.
Andrew Wood
The miners are operating a business, they want to optimize their own profit. You don't have any direct say as a holder of BTC.
In the end it's just a solid bet on the "more governance-focused" coins, OP wants to diversify and I think it's a decent hold for that. I won't pretend I know well enough to say it's terrible or a fantastic solution to anything.
Austin Butler
I don't understand, what do you mean get it for free? Is there a guide?
Ian Morales
You prove that you're the owner of a given BTC address by either signing a message or sending a small transaction.
Kevin Lopez
Is there a guide how to do this?
Kayden Robinson
Yeah, just check the site. I'm sure someone's made a video for it already too.
You download the wallet and talk to the chatbot.
Aiden Ward
Hey OP, this spreadsheet is making me diamonds.
Don't really understand the purpose behind the Delta and Projected Total columns though.
Jose Wilson
why do you expect everyone here to help you, answer your questions, etc, when despite many asking for it, you just ignore every post about the template, and never post it
Camden Reed
You state the exact reason why the miners dont have the final say... A whale with eg. 200000btc can, after a fork, dump the fork he doesnt like and buy the fork he does like, causing a "bank run" on chain 1 and a huge appreciation on chain 2. The miners on chain 1 will make huge losses, and might even have to write off millions in incompatible hardware.
Adrian Sanchez
Rebalance back to your portfolio weights and keep on trucking
Gabriel Stewart
There's 12 columns and some math. You don't need a template. Just take 4 minutes and replicate.
You can use most wallets to "sign" a message with your bitcoin private key.
In this case the message is a pm through the byteball client to a bot (transition bot)
You send it your byteball address, and it asks you to either send it a small amount of bitcoin to prove you control the private key, or sign your address with bitcoin private key.
This is well understood and safe - lots of software (wallets, or offline open source code available if you don't want to use the command line). Links on how to do it in the link I sent.
You have til July the 9th - your coins get remitted the day after when you connect your wallet. Linked addresses stay linked for the next round. You can link more than one address.
Liam Flores
If not clear Sign byteball address with bitcoin private key to create a new message, after first telling it your byteball address Don't send it your private keys :-)
Jordan Diaz
Oh my fucking god, I'm losing money from ETH by the second and I can't even sell this fucking shit for BTC, because the fucking Poloniex exchange just won't accept the deposit. Probably decide it is a good time to steal some from me. Oh god please mercy. I will rebalance, just don't fall to 100$, plsss
Samuel Baker
lol dude how did you manage to maintain iron hands all the way up until now while being so nevrotic? crypto is always volatile as fuck
Landon Hughes
what are you scared about lol? It was at $250 two weeks ago. We're going to $1000 by eoy
Xavier Rogers
I don't know.
I think something happened in my brain recently that I started realising how fucking a lot this money is and how much stuff I could be actually buying and that ETH rose too fast and will drop any second due to problems and I really need to rebalance it into BTC and the single day I decide to do it, it fucking goes for a nose dive for a possible 90% correction to fucking 100$ fuuckck
Jeremiah Reyes
What's your average price on these ETH?
Daniel Wilson
>DCR in 4 >ETC in 3 >No SC >No BTS >Huge majority in ETH >Lots of BTC just sitting there
you deserve everything you lose.
Jace Adams
Yeah, the market turned my $500 ETH investment into a $15,000 ETH investment and I have suddenly realized keeping that in a volatile crypto is too risky for me.
I was going to sell at $360 last night but it dipped today, FUUUUUUUCK
Ryan Bennett
Invest some of it in real estate. Tangible assets... 100k down on an apartment. Set for life.
Christian Murphy
Why? I did diversify. Why buy BItShares, when there is BitSquare.io that does everything better?
ETH had most potential.
SC is nothing special. Lots of hype around decentrilised storage which criminals will use and can be easily replaced with encrypted file uploaded on Google Drive.
Real estate is stupid. It doesn't produce anything only bleeds money. I can't rent out a condo for 1% of its price. Not realistic for me.
Brandon Adams
HODL forever user, this is a beautiful crypto index fund you have here
Jesus Christ I'm going to follow your example
HODL
Remember, lots of people thought "OMFG bitcoins are 50 cents each, time to sell holy shit lmfao"
William Campbell
>SC is nothing special Pricing. Think about this.
Adrian Sanders
Ok I've changed my mind. You are a dumb autist and deserve to loose all your ETH. Real estate is stupid.. wow are you 5? Diversify into something that appreciates in value and will give you passive income so you don't have a heart attack every time your blockfolio dips. Real estate is stupid... ho man.
John Martinez
well it depends on where he lives. in some countries it actually is a shit investment
Angel Russell
Oh, well, guys. Easy come easy go I guess.
ETH has stopped trading on exchanges, I can't even deposit any to sell. You know what...forget about it.
I know that whenever network lag resolves ETH will take a nosedive deep in ground.
I will lose my 400'000$ of ETH, just like that POOF!.
And you know what...that is fine...
Even a million does not count as "rich" (as evidenced by plenty of Veeky Forumstards), so those 400'000$ would've not made me rich anyway.
I would have probably kept holding and this event would have happened later anyway.
And this will be good stimulation for Vitalik to find a solution. Growing pains if you will. Demand outpaces tech capacity.
We will enter bear market and after a few years it might just slowly rise up. I'm fine holding 5-10 years. And hey, maybe people will go to Bitcoin and it will to some level compensate this loss.
I have accepted my fate. I can't stress over this any further.
Wyatt Gray
Real estate is dumb yes. The apartments get older, require maintenance, you have to pay taxes. Real estate is pretty awful. In my city I can buy an apartment for 300'000$ and rent it out for 900$ a month. You think that is a good "investment"?
Benjamin Brown
Lol calm down. Don't be so dramatic. Bitcoin went through several crashes and it always rise due to its fundamental.
But yes. Bear market is coming. In 2 months. Veeky Forums will be on suicide mode. Cash out enough USD to live for 2 years to wait for next bull run. Next one will be way bigger than this one. You'll be mutlimillionare for sure if you manage to diverse and buy other good coins during the bear market.
Robert Hill
I mean, with inflation, you can assume you've made back your investment in some 20 years. Not to mention the most likely increased value of the house.
Real estate is one of the smartest investments out there.
Christopher Robinson
ETH is a scam. OP is a noob.
Elijah Martinez
How is ETH a scam? Elaborate in detail with facts please.
That doesn't make sense. There is nothing magically making your house worth more after 20 years. It could be worth less and requires lots of money in upkeep and taxes and all that.
You think real estate outperforms index funds? How exactly?
Ian Gomez
looks a bit over-complicated op considering youve allocated 5 - 8% of your crypto portfolio to 95% of the different coins you hold.
Jack Jenkins
you're missing many good coin, and you should definitely reduce eth to 40%-50% it should be eth+btc+ltc+etc around 75% and then alts.
check RDD if Redd.id comes out norms will love that tipping platform. MGO and Wagerr are insane too, they just need to prove what they claim. BNT worst scam ever, they rely on eth and eth rely on ICO to get normies adoption, so who's gonna start?
I'd also recommend some more but I'm not spread all that info for nothing, you're doing a great job researching your coins you'll figure out the other good coins
Oliver Cox
Man, calm down. It won't suddenly hit 0 once the network's running fine again.
Yeah, but people will realise this tech does not scale. Vitalik will have to fix that shit.
Charles Hill
>"Lots of BTC just sitting there" >implying 90% of your portfolio shouldn't be on BTC
You deserve what's comming to you.
Ayden Rivera
>You deserve what's comming to you.
Why? Explain why I deserve it?
And why would 90% of my BTC be in?
Why?
Levi James
eth will be soon around 250$ that's where it should be. Wagerr is a really good project, I dunno if you tried what they just released but it's really well done and norms love betting. I'm not saying that it's like BTC or ETH but if you wanna diversify you should definitely consider it. Diversification it's not only made by buying different coins, you have to take some pics for every market sector. anyway everyone has his own idea so I won't try to change your, you just have to sit comfortably on your 1200 eth and wait for a couple of years to sell at 1000$