How do Jews and Muslims deal with the fact that the far majority of freshwater drinking sources on the planet are host to microscopic shellfish like copepods and amphipods?
All the patriarchs of Muslim and Jewish societies consumed shellfish through drinking water. They couldn't have known unless God told them, and he clearly didn't.
Why would God pass down dietary laws that are objectively impossible to follow for any iron age or middle age society?
how can shellfish be real if my eyes cant see them
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wait theyre not allowed to eat seafood?
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If I have a glass of water what portion of that is made of these microscopic shellfish? There's a rule in Judaism that if you are, for example, making a pot of soup and an ant falls in it's still Kosher as long as that ant is less than 1/100 of the soup. One could argue that these shellfish are "accidentally" present in the water that's being drunk.
All that is solved with the miracle of secular judaism
What is secular judaism?
Secular judaism is an identity whereby one does nothing jewish but clings to the title stubbornly.
1/60th, actually, not 1/100th.
That's why God sent down Jesus.
I was going off the top of my head
so are jews prohibited from eating insects or something?
pretty much
i've heard that there are a few kosher species of locust/grasshopper somehow
You are clearly thinking way too far into this.
leviticus 11 states that anything living in water that doesn't have both fins and scales is haram
mostly yes, that's in leviticus 11 as well, but says that there are four species of insects that use jointed legs for hopping that are ok to eat. The writers of the talmud agonized quite a bit on figuring out which four species those were precisely and ended up settling with locusts, katydids, grasshoppers, and crickets.
Show proofs that it's forbidden
I love how people quote leviticus without any context. Unless you are an ancient Israelite wandering through the desert the laws in this book probably don't apply to you.
(Although I wish the one about if you rape a young woman and she is not pledged to be married to someone else, she must then marry you....that would make things a lot easier for me I think)
How big are they?
well leviticus 11 is the basis of most kashrut rules
What the hell does that have to do with Islam? In islam you are allowed to eat everything in water.
That's kinda his point, isn't it?
A lot of the stuff in Leviticus -- basically all of the dietary restrictions and instructions on "cleanliness" and "impurity" etc -- are obviously the ancient equivalents of health codes, couched in spooky language about God and sin so people would actually fucking follow them and not die. They haven't been applicable for centuries or millennia, and so most Christians blissfully ignore them. By and large we don't consider them bad Christians for not following obsolete laws.
But for some reason Jews still stick to a lot of them, as do Muslims with their dietary restrictions and so on. It's silly.
Relgion is truly retarded
How can some people believe this shit comes from the creator of the universe is beyond me
Jews are masters at jewing their own laws. See kosher light switch.
>i've heard that there are a few kosher species of locust/grasshopper somehow
There must be, as John the Baptist was described as eating "grasshoppers and wild honey".
>A lot of the stuff in Leviticus -- basically all of the dietary restrictions and instructions on "cleanliness" and "impurity" etc -- are obviously the ancient equivalents of health codes,
But that's wrong you fucking retard. They're primarily "Look at what these fucks around you are doing, don't be like them, don't socialize with them."
Muslims have no prohibition against shellfish.
The bizarre laws in Leviticus date from the time of the Babylonian Exile. They have one purpose, and one purpose only: To make it difficult for Jews and non-Jews to share a meal. Why would you want to do this? Because socialisation during meal times is the number one source of understanding and tolerance for other views. Why is that bad? Because the Jews were a tiny minority in Babylon, and so highly vulnerable to becoming assimilated. In order that the Jews should continue to exist as a separate race, the leaders at the time came up with the law codes of Leviticus and similar to keep the races apart.
Not either of the guys you were responding to, and while they were probably written in the Babylonian exile, the dietary laws, or at least some of them, probably pre-dated that. Archeologists mostly figure out where Israelite settlements were and the borders between them and their neighbors by looking for an absence of pig bones, which were relatively common in places like Philistine settlements or Edomite ones.
The purpose was almost certainly social exclusion, but the initial target was probably those other Canaanites they were culturally separating from, not Babylonians.
>The purpose was almost certainly social exclusion, but the initial target was probably those other Canaanites they were culturally separating from, not Babylonians.
I agree, there were probably similar laws aimed at the other Canaanite tribes early on, and no doubt these inspired the laws in Leviticus.