Black Athenia

Idk, I'm don't know much about history of philosophy.

Pythagoras learn a lot in egypt (and other places aswell).

Socrates was a NIGGER!

"Not Out Of Africa: How ""Afrocentrism"" Became An Excuse To Teach Myth As History" by Mary Lefkowitz blows this myth out of the water. Here's some gists:

>there's no evidence that any of the Greeks went to Egypt (sans Hellenic Alexandria) for philosophy, science, literature, or writing
>the only mentions of math-education from the Egyptians is the mention by historians like Plutarch and Diodorus who assume that people like Thales and Pythagoras must've been educated in Egypt because they wrote and document problems of the nature of the Nile (which their hypotheses, which people cite that their obtained knowledge from their studies about said questions, actually are scientifically false and were only worth mentioning in Greek texts because of their exotic and naturally-abnormal details). Those people wrote centuries after those figures and never cite a particular previous writer / historian who mention such details in their writings. In reality, people like Diogenes are inconsistent with their documenting (like regarding Eudoxus having studied Geometry in Egypt, even though other more detailed and near-contemporary sources to him mention his particular Greek teacher and never report on his allege stay in Egypt). There's no writer reporting that they themselves, or any near-contemporary figure that we can say they reasonably were able to accurately know about their life, went there for an education, or that there were resources existing at the time for them to travel there and become familiar with the language.

>The most direct incriminating cases of allege borrowing is mentioned by Herodotus and Diodorus from their encounters of Egyptian priests. Both of them report inaccurate historical details (like customs and religious beliefs) in their writings from Egypt showing they didn't fully comprehend their culture and they were cultural and linguistic barriers during their stay. And the allege claims made by these reported Egyptian priests are both emotionally fueled and make bold loaded claims. Keep in mind, for both these instances, Egypt was occupied by foreign powers at their time (the Achaemenids in Herodotus' time and Greeks in Diodorus), their bold generalization claims that state that Greece derived a lot of institutions from them can be deduced from their resentment at their current status and feelings of insecurity. Jews in the Hellenic and Roman eras did similar claims in their own writings or to Greco-Roman writers, similarly stating that they derived the same religious institutions and philosophy from their teachings, and that figures like Plato were educated either by Rabbis or someone who was taught by them. These figures aren't taken seriously by anyone in contemporary society for being inconsistent and unreliable in their writings. Both Herodotus and Diodorus (and Diogenes) were also too, and should be taken as a grain of salt when it comes to foreign customs.

Martin Bernal has messed up a lot of translations and etymologies in his writings, got historical chronological details wrong, and isn't accurate on historic European scholarship on past civilizations (in-fact, academic scholars emphasized more on prior Egyptian and near-Eastern influence had on Greece and early Western civilizations before the rise of Egyptology and the translation of hieroglyphs that proved that their previous sources that they derived their knowledge of Egypt from (Greek and Jewish writings) were very inaccurate).

>Ask any historian of art. The influence was huge.
Many people outside of Classicalist and Classicalist who are specialized in a particular area of Classical studies (like Art) just regurgitate popular summaries about classical topics. Actual classicalist art specialist have found the resemblance is more with Near-east
>didn't he studied in egypt for like 12 years?
Nope. He never says so in his writings and no-one claims he did. His accounts in his writings that mention Egypt are often inaccurate and show he never went there (especially considering most of these mentionings are just in allegories, with Egypt as an exotic stock-place).
Minoan and Mycenaean (which there's only one of which--which is the one depicted at the Lion Gate, which looks similar to Ionic) don't share any popular Egyptian styles. Minoans is just a basic bitch cylinder column that gets fatter the further at the top and isn't as sophisticated as some of the Egyptian styles.

That book is clearly biased

It's funny how the same people who rant about Herodotus for his proto-orientalism are the first to seize upon one or two lines in his histories to claim that everything about Greek culture came from North Africa/Egypt.

>1. Strabo VII-7-1: Danaus brought colonists from Egypt
>2. Pliny the Elder VII-LVI-195-197: Danaus, who came from Egypt
>3. Herodotus IV-190: The dead are buried by the nomads in Greek fashion...Such are the Libyan customs.
>4. Herodotus IV-189: the robe and aegis of the images of Athena were copied by the Greeks from the Libyan women

It makes me think.

Kythion was a late bronze age settlement in Cyprus with many Mycenean elements (pottery, city planning) which led archaeologists there was a good number of Mycenean immigrants there

Egyptians report Akawasa (Acheans?) and Denyens (Danaoi?) attcking them along with other sea people tribes from the islands

Cyprus is later known by Assyrians as Denyen island, Cilicia (South Eastern Anatolia) had a people known as denyen init who also were called Akawasa in some bilingual inscriptions, in some fo those early iron age documents king Mopsus is named, Mopsus was also a legendary Achean king of Greek myths who was said to have colonized Cilicia.

Odysseus spoke about Danaoi raiding Egypt.

It's all so intriguing

>west african woman larping as Egyptian
kekity

>There is no evidence of any of Greek culture actually coming from Egypt,
Dude, literally the symbols of the alphabet were made based on earlier Egyptian hieroglyphs.

. Strabo VII-7-1: Danaus brought colonists from Egypt
So? No one disputes Danaus was from Egypt. Does that mean the realm he settle in was inhabitted by his people? How could it, when his ancestors were Greek and Argoid?
His Great Great Grandfather was Inachus, King of Argos. His Great Grandfather was Phoroneus, also King of Argos. Phoroneus son, Epaphus, was said to be born in Greece and founded the city of Memphis (so dey WUZ the KANGS); His father's brother is the King of Phoenicia. In Aeschylus' "The Suppliants" Danaus and the Danaids go to pre-existing Argos and require refuge from King Pelasgus, who apparantly had to ask the rest of the Argives if it was worth taking them in.
So, how Danaids the founder of Argos despite it pre-existing according to canon chronologically for generations? and (most importantly) just a myth? And maybe even more importantly, told by some guy who was reporting folk tales?
>3. Herodotus IV-190: The dead are buried by the nomads in Greek fashion...Such are the Libyan customs.

Full quote:
>The dead are buried by the nomads in Greek fashion, except by the Nasamones. They bury their dead sitting, being careful to make the dying man sit when he releases his spirit, and not die lying supine. Their dwellings are constructed of asphodel stalks1 twined about reeds; they can be carried here and there. Such are the Libyan customs.

Herodotus is telling his audience that the Libyans bury their dead just like normal rational people do (like the Greeks), which contrasts the Egyptians, but also contrasts it with how they conduct it with their king. Greek burials weren't anything special or unique compared to the other burial rituals he reports.

. Herodotus IV-189: the robe and aegis of the images of Athena were copied by the Greeks from the Libyan women

Full quote:
>It would seem that the robe and aegis of the images of Athena were copied by the Greeks from the Libyan women; for except that Libyan women dress in leather
>seem

Woo boi.

Youve done and got these edomites all rustled.

Tell them they're way of thinking goes back to Egypt and they blow up.