"degeneracy"

I go back and forth on this concept being real or not, but i've got some questions about so-called "degeneracy".

How would one gauge "degeneracy" in the modern world? Should such a concept be taken seriously? Is "degeneracy" caused by capitalistic consumer ideas or the ultimate conclusion of liberal ideals? If one or the other, is the modern era only more "degenerate" because of the increased availability of goods and services? And Finally, did the idea of "degeneracy" emerge because of Greek philosophical traditions or Gibbonism?

Discuss.

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Women's rights = degeneracy

Incontrovertible fact. Women are crude, vulgar approximations of proper well developed humans and the more power they have the more society comes crashing down

Anyone who has more sex than me is degenerate. Anyone who has more fun than me is degenerate.

>How would one gauge "degeneracy" in the modern world?
how many things there are in the world i don't like
>Should such a concept be taken seriously?
of course you cuck
> Is "degeneracy" caused by capitalistic consumer ideas or the ultimate conclusion of liberal ideals?
of course its the fault of libtards u socialist pinko shit
> If one or the other, is the modern era only more "degenerate" because of the increased availability of goods and services?
no its because of the jews
>And Finally, did the idea of "degeneracy" emerge because of Greek philosophical traditions or Gibbonism?
stop using big words you cuck

t. /pol/

The concept is putting the cart before the horse we make sacrifices and discipline ourselves so that we can have fun without being bitten in the ass so much. Restricting fun for discipline is pretty much the equivalent to working your ass off without getting anything in return.

if you are going to bring purity a society then you need an actual reason you cannot do it for its own sake.

then there's the hypocrisy that usually comes from the moral gaurdians

Augustus wanting it despite being a man-whore
Puritans wanting it despite being a bunch of happy merchants
GoP wanting it despite electing a reality show host
/pol/ wanting it despite being a fucking Veeky Forums board

Really a those without sin cast the first stone deal if I'm going to be talked down to it should be from a pure uncorruptible virgin that never did a single bad thing in their lives as harsh towards their own side as others and is completely honest about everything.

This is unironically how most people view it.

If you want to be real, you can define degeneracy from something like lost years of life due to all of the preventable things.

Things like HIV, harmful drug abuse or violence are clearly the most objective signs that can be.

you seem bitter

politickers politicking
it's a means to an end

Who cares if subhumans succumbed to HIV or drug overdose?

By the same logic, who cares if subhumans had a dozens of sexual partners, deny god and so on.

>degeneracy

It is literally just maladaptive behavior. That's it. Behavior that isn't conducive to the furtherance and improvement of civilization. Eg. Delayed family formation, single parenthood, underclass fertility, undermining group cohesion etc.

we lost thousands of lives due to religious terrorism

is religion degeneracy?

>underclass fertility

it increases our workforce, taxpayers, and military numbers (if organized properly).

how does that not improve the civilization?

Who gives a fuck about the furtherance of civilization?

You're thinking of the working and middle classes. I'm talking about lumpenproles with massive rates of welfare dependency and unemployment.

That's a really poor argument dude. Especially given the rate at which automation is progressing.

You. Given that you are using its fruits right now. You clearly derive some utility from shitposting.

The more you people talk the more insane you prove yourselves to be.

Religious terrorism for sure.

You're playing yourself. You live, you die, the world keeps turning. The "furtherance of civilization" is just some righteous shit you use to moralize certain positions you hold

I bet you complain about global warming all the time on reddit, don't you?

You can define anything as such, from having high birthrates to having low ones, from early family formation to delayed, etc.

There is no coherent model for development of civilization that you can check for.

good one

Degeneracy is just a term people (usually social conservatives) use to whine about things they don't like while pretending to hold the moral high ground. Usually the accusation seems to target some new social phenomenon, but occasionally it targets things that may be an actual societal issue, like drug abuse.

It definitely shouldn't be taken seriously. At best, it broadly paints complicated issues (like drug abuse or prostitution) without making any effort to understand the intricacies of the issues that are integral to really alleviating them. At their worst, it's actively destructive whining about some popular phenomena (like the attempts to regulate "vulgar" music in the 80's in America). Most often, it's just people picking and choosing specific things they don't like and demonizing them as "degenerate."

>How would one gauge "degeneracy" in the modern world?
I'm fairly certain it's just a way of saying
>I don't like thing

It's the conservative version of
>I don't like thing

For leftists, the buzzword would be "fascist"

We're defining what is maladaptive not what is adaptive. What is adaptive is not necessarily the polar opposite of what is maladaptive.

For example there is no condition under which high birth rates of the lowest portions of society combines with below replacement rated of the most productive portions of society is a good and adaptive thing.

As for the family it has been the bedrock of every major civilization ever. Deal with it shitlib.

To be fair, it could be that global warming ruins civilization faster in near future than any meme degeneracy causes.

Environment degradation destroyed societies in the past.

Western developed nations have hit peak degeneracy and will be replaced by more patriarchal and fertile people in their own homelands with a generation. This is objective, incrovertible fact and is a real problem, and is not in the same ball park as complaining about Madonna signing like a virgin in a nun's outfit.

This.

can you keep your angsty teen nonsense on pol please

> he fell for nuclear family meme

"Oppression" is left version, actually.

Degenercy is the disbelief of traditional values being abrahametic, christian, islam and juadistic, for example.
Most traditional values in europe comes from religion, a more liberal society looks past religios beliefs and "tolerate" missbehaving. People in muslim countries wont tolerate stuff that would be tolerated in western countries

Demographic trends are teenage angst?

You sure are a brainlet.

>This is objective, incrovertible fact
Surely you have some evidence for your claims.

Ah yeah that's actually better.

> is not in the same ball park as complaining
The problem is that everyone complaining about all kinds of nonsense things like if they matter in the grand scheme of things. There exist three or five big factors at best, nobody really can point to actual causes because they use problem to push their own agendas or ignore it to do the same.

>How would one gauge "degeneracy" in the modern world?

By the number of Assbabies being born. Degeneracy=sticking dick in pooper and not cunt. Nothing more, nothing less.

> Is "degeneracy" caused by capitalistic consumer ideas or the ultimate conclusion of liberal ideals?

It's caused by better birth control and better safeguards against maternal mortality. If you were a hedonistic slut, your desire for taking huge cocks up your shitter was restrained by the fact that there was a good chance you could die when you gave birth, and you didn't want to waste your possibly limited reproductive chance on a deformed mutant retard baby. As the risk declines, women's natural whorish tendencies towards wanting it in the butt will rise to the surface.

You don't know shit about demographic trends all you know is what others faggots on pol type up

Civilization wasn't created by Muslims so this is kind of moot point.

Yeah whatever. Just stick your head in the sand

I don't know what this post means, you may not want to call native birth rates plummeting because young women do not want to marry or carry pregnancies to term degeneracy, but it's certainly happening and definitely observable.

Sweden is lucky with at least any babies born. Check demographic predictions for countries like Ukraine that lose ~70% of a population in near hundred years or so.

>Sweden is lucky with at least any babies born
Not if those babies aren't ethnic Swedes! No ethnic swedes, no Sweden!

Postmodernism, Cultural Marxism and Humanism.

Western Christian civilization is systematically under attack. All of the following are undermined:

>God
>Family nucleus
>Nation
>Race
>Masculinity

Degeneracy and immorality are symptoms. You can trace it back to the Frankfurt School which started Cultural Marxism, or even further back to the French Revolution and "enlightenment".

>This is objective, incrovertible fact and is a real problem
no it isn't

>people in poverty can't get into the middle class

you know that's wrong right

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>Why Leftists Believe Weird and Immoral Things
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>The Impact of Relativism, Postmodernism, and Cultural Marxism
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>Postmodernism and Society
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That is some delicious tinfoil.

wtf?

>arguing with meme youtube videos in lieu of structured thought

You understand why people think you're an autist right?

>Ad hominem
Not an argument.

Shhhhh, facts are racist and politically incorrect!

Facts don't care about your feelings.

((()))

Why would I argue with the mentally ill?

you are the mentally ill one here, my postmodern commie friendo

>waterboard a prisoner
>he has feelings of immense pain, but doesn't have any long-lasting damages
>he says "this is not within your rights! Your rights end where my feelings begin!"

>nu-uh, look at this image macro I picked up on /pol/

>A Cultural Marxist
>Calling anyone else mentally ill

Is it opposite day?

says the teenage dork

>the guy who doesn't buy into a false-attribution metanarrative with no hard evidence that explains why he's not a winner is the mentally ill one

Okie dokie. I'm sure the Frankfurt school is why girls wont touch your peepee.

Not an ad hominem. He's saying that your theories are ludicrous.

Calling you a dumbass would be an ad hominem.

And here I thought humor was sucked out of Veeky Forums.

They're both mentally ill. All you you are mentally ill. I'm mentally ill.

t. mentally ill SJW

keep crying about how the west is responsible for everything, you self-loathing libtard trash.

>you can't have fun without taking drugs and masturbating to japanese cartoons all day while leeching from the people around you

>Documented historical facts are now just theories
>Things happening today in front of our eyes are just theories

What world do you live on? Because here on earth cultural marxism is very real.

Oh my, dat victim complex. Oooh! Yes, those mean ESSJAYDUBYAHS are out to make you hate yourself for being a white male; surely it's a widespread phenomenon and not just a few cranks that get undeserved attention for being loud.

All five are memes that only weaken the strong.
> God
Roman Empire fell soon after adopting the cult of Jesus which is rooted in Jewish tradition and Jews aren't known for their strong empires.
> Family nucleus
Invented in post-war America and existed only for one generation never really seen before or after in the traditional societies where families are more akin to clans and consist of parents, grandparents, brothers, sisters, etc.
> Nation
The dangerous idea that forced people of Europe into one disastrous war after another wasted entire generations of people in battles for the imaginary borders.
> Race
The pseudoscientific idea in its core that is used only to divide people over issues like the color of skin that would never matter otherwise. Look how empire of the past never bothered with a race because internal struggle weakens you.
> Masculinity
The harmful concept that is instrumental for a shaping whatever gender identity you want. The people who are obsessed with sex instead of work or spiritual pursuits created by ties of masculine value to an erotic sphere. This is the dangerous tool that elites abuse for warping our cultural norms.

>there were some marxist social critics in the Frankfurt School
>this means everything that disagrees with me is a super-secret conspiracy to overthrow the white race

Lunatic.

It's true though. Hatred of white males is a fundamental underpinning of the sjw movement they don't even hide it

Postmodernism and Cultural Marxism are not just "a few cranks".
We're way past that point.

Heck, just look at Veeky Forums.
It's filled with moral relativists, humanists and post-modernists who try to deconstruct and redefine everything.

Since when did a higher population = higher quality nation?

t. Cultural Marxist

>Invented in post-war America and existed only for one generation never really seen before or after in the traditional societies where families are more akin to clans and consist of parents, grandparents, brothers, sisters, etc.
No true read up on the hajnal line

the great lie of politics is that someone is going to win at the end

>there are people that disagree with me and actually analyze my statements

>this proves that there is a conspiracy to establish marxism by overthrowing muh spooks

Lunatic.

there's so much wrong about this post, i dont know where to start.

kill yourself

>The pseudoscientific idea in its core that is used only to divide people over issues like the color of skin that would never matter otherwise.
Not true race realism is irrefutable

Science doesn't take it seriously.

I don't think you understand what postmodernism is.

An observation of facts with a premise and a conclusion is a theory. A theory can be 99.9999999% true and still be known as a theory. The theory of relativity is proven as well.

You also seem to be assuming I said cultural marxism isn't real, why do you think so? Which world do you live on that you don't understand the difference between theory and speculation?

If there is "degeneracy" in today's world than it's teenagers using videogame memes to describe complex social transformations.

There's so much wrong with this post, I don't refute anything that's wrong with it and instead just tell you to kill yourself.

I probably know it better than you.

I am not, unlike you. Degeneracy is a cultural Marxist idea by sheer property of being tied to ((progress)) that can be moved by a ((cultural struggle)). Anyone who use term seriously is Cultural Marxist in most literal sense.

nobody said anything about the west being responsible for anything you just can't help yourself getting all hung up on pol boogeymen

dweeb

ITT: Cultural Marxists throw a temper tantrum when their shitty movement is exposed

The sanctity of marriage is between man and woman, deal with it.

Do you realize you sound like a maniac to anybody that isn't a /pol/ initiate?

They're disgusting cucks who reject God I will pray for them.

Every definition is re-definition, language always evolves. Even made up words, like "cuck" change their meaning in mere months. There is no way to preserve the original definitions without redefining words into new contexts.

The only people throwing a temper tantrum here are the /pol/io. We're just having a giggle.

>The sanctity of marriage is between a man and a woman, deal with it.

It's not legal in most of the developed world for same-sex couples to be married. Deal with it.

>evolves

You mean devolves.

>How would one gauge "degeneracy" in the modern world?

Simple genetic deterioration. Google epigenetics and despair.

>Should such a concept be taken seriously?

You have no idea.

There is no such thing as devolution in language.

Try spending some time on /pol/ and you'll change your opinion.

There is no such thing as evolution either.

Even is racism is based on reality what good it can do to set some people against the others? You don't want to polarize society if you want to preserve it to be the functional one. Promoting racism in a multi-race state is like asking for a disaster.

People have needlessly over complicated the word. The meaning of degenerative behavior is actually quite literal.

Think of it this way:

>Generate
To create

>Regenerate
To restore

>Degenerate
To decay

So technically any behavior that is physically/mentally harmful to your overall wellbeing is degenerate.

>science says

I want you to open your eyes now.

>Promoting racism in a multi-race state is like asking for a disaster.
You don't have to "promote" racism any more than you have to promote people emptying their bowels, this is why multiracial societies are so precarious.