What ruined the Soviet Union?

What ruined the Soviet Union?

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Communism

Dindufication.

arms race

Glasnost and perestroika

Merica did

Nuclear weapons

Also can I just say Brezhnev is incredibly memeable but for some reason I never see memes about eyebrows man

Communism
Russians
World War 2
the CIA
Alcoholism

The Soviet Union's only advantage came from the chaos of ww2 where they extended Russia's influence as far west as it had ever been in history plus the disruption caused by the development of nuclear weapons.

This was not a "natural" advantage afforded by the resources of Russia, their shoes were too big. It was never going to last and after a generation and the failure in Afghanistan the military hardliners began to look like a burden.

Central Planning.

Leonid Brezhnev, and I can give 4 good reasons.

1. He alienated the Warsaw Pact countries by his overly harsh crackdown on the Prague Spring. This pushed Albania to leave the pact outright, and others, like Romania, to start negotiating with America.

2. He abandoned the 1965 economic reform, which had moved the USSR towards capitalism (slightly). By every metric it worked better than both the economic models before and after.

3. He established the "gerontocracy". Basically everyone in the Soviet Bureaucracy stayed in their positions for life. Between 1982 and 1985, Brezhnev and two other Soviet leaders died (Andropov and Chernenko). Needless to say, this did not create stability.

4. Lastly, he started the Soviet-Afghan War. This would turn into a "money pit" for the Soviets.

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Chinks

They didn't try communism

Wtf I hate Leonid Brezhnev.

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basically it wasn't real communism which is what led to it failing

Lots of factors, including many that others have already mentioned.

Can you imagine how many great inventors, scientists, and statesmen died simply because of Stalin's paranoia and military incompetence?

ceasing the means of production

Ukrainians, ruining everything.

Real communism: the Unicorn of ideologies

Stalin.

Russians

de stalinization did not help the soviet union

Elaborate?

In October 1987, Gorbachev mounted an anti-corruption campain to clear-out the old Brezhnevite guard and forced Aliyev to resign from the Politburo, ostensibly for health reasons. Aliyev was forced to resign from this position in 1987 amidst allegations of corruption made against him by Mikhail Gorbachev.


Forced into early retirement by Gorbachev, Aliyev focused his resources on returning to power and avenging Gorbachev for his retirement. Aliyev plotted against Gorbachev by orchestrating the ethnic conflict that would lead to cessation of Azerbaijan from USSR and dissolution of the USSR. The first pogroms against Armenians in Azerbaijan were instigated by the local mafia, which was controlled by Aliyev, in order to create an international crisis that would be detrimental to Gorbachev regardless of the outcome.

Aliyev quickly reinvented himself as a moderate nationalist and was subsequently elected as a deputy to the Supreme Soviet of Azerbaijan SSR in Baku

Aliyev also tried but failed to resolve the Nagorno-Karabakh War, which, by the end of summer 1993, had resulted in the loss of some 13% of Azerbaijan's territory, an estimated 30,000 deaths, and the displacement of more than 600,000 ethnic Azerbaijanis. Attempting a military counter-offensive in December 1993, Azerbaijani forces failed to regain control of parts of Fuzuli, Khojavend and Kalbajar, ending up with heavy human losses.

Aliyev dominated the political life of Azerbaijan for more than 30 years, and left his oil-rich country with a problematic legacy of gross corruption

Azeri Heydar Aliyev in the KGB since 1940s. As head of the KGB's branch in Azerbaijan, Aliyev ran an anti-corruption campaign as a cover for purging his opponents. Since 1960s, KGB Aliyev directed a Soviet "anti-corruption" campaign, which was a personal campaign at eliminating competitors and expanding his own power. Aliyev made progress in the fight against "corruption": a number of Aliyev's competitors were sentenced to prison terms and execution. Those who he could not imprison or execute, would be restricted and discriminated against: Aliyev barred the offspring of certain legal personnel from attending the Republic's law school, in a purported effort to curb a self-perpetuating elite countering Aliyev's power.


Following the purges, he became the undisputed leader of Soviet Azerbaijan. During this time, Aliyev acquired wealth and prestige by leading the Azeri mafia. With the support of the Azeria mafia, he amassed profits from the sale of various commodities, including Caspian Sea caviar, Sumgait oil, fruit, vegetables, and cotton—and from his involvement in Azerbaijan's border control (customs) and transportation industries. In order to remain the unchallenged leader of Azerbaijan, Aliyev bribed Brezhnev with lavish gifts—such as the so-called "Sun King" diamond ring, worth an estimated 226,000 rubles.

By bribing Brezhnev wih lavish gifts and receptions, Aliyev was successful in expanding his syndicate within the Soviet poitical structure by consistently promoting his network of Azerbaijanis to senior posts.

Thru corruption and political purges, Aliyev attained the highest position ever reached by an Azerbaijani in the Soviet Union.

An Azeri prosecutor, Gamboi Mamedov, investigated Aliyev's corruption and ties to the mafia, and persisted in this investigation despite retaliatory persecution of his relatives in Azerbaijan. After two Moscow prosecutors investigated the Azeri mafia, one was tried and expelled from the Communist party, and the other was convicted and executed. Subsequently, Aliyev fired and denounced Gamboi Mamedov. Nevertheless, this investigation was followed by another purge of people that would expose Aliyev's mafia network: the mass suicide of a number of Aliyev's Azeri mafia members and the unexplained deaths of a number of Aliyev's lieutenants.

My university professor had told us that USSR was in crisis since Khrushchev's coup. Khrushchev idiotic reforms stopped soviet economy

The fact that de stalinazation needed to be done in the first place is the problem.

Why did it need to be done?

Because they didn't try real communism of course

Without it, you'd basically wind up locked into a situation like North Korea, where you wind up as a defacto monarchy. Which would have made international relations harder for the USSR, since they were pushing themselves as the face of communism.

Well I guess they could just give up the whole communism thing and keep doing it to its logical conclusion of a monarchy. Monarchies did work for hundreds of years after all, why not try it again.

If Stalin had the forethought/lack of paranoia to groom an adoptive successor, they could have just done the whole Roman thing.

Even during the worst of Stalinism in 1936, the USSR was nowhere close to NK-tier.

Communism and russian nationalism

you can't just blame communism because of your hidden distaste for capitalism if it hasn't actually really been tried before

Estonia.

Well, actually the Nazi / Soviet alliance document that the Soviets denied existed yet the Estonians managed to find leading to them being able to hold independence referendums along with Latvia, ultimately bringing the whole thing down.

Autism ruined the Soviet Union.

Fucking hell, that place was a shithole.

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Mfw Rasputin hasn't been mentioned yet

The lack of capitalism and absolutely unadaptable Planned economics not being able to survive changing realities. Oil price is only one of factors which predetermined the fall of state based on this type of economics.

I would suggest you to read about economical reforms of 90's which Yegor Gaidar and Anatoly Chubais were leading to understand what horribly flawed stuff they had to deal with.

In 1980, when tensions between nuclear powers were on level comparable to Cuban Missle Crisis, Kremlin sent a telegram to USA
>If you don't cease to supply Mujahedeens with american weapons, we will have to respond with use of force against the United States.

The american response was:
>If you continue your armed occupation of Afghanistan, we will be forced to stop our production of spare parts for Brezhnev.

The insufferable Marx LARPer Khrushchev who decided that innovation and beating the US in the space race was bad and evil because of the 'dictator' Stalin.

but space race was only a propaganda tool and dick-measuring contest with the United States

>muh dick is better, cause it is longer (we were the first to send satelites and people in space first)
>muh dick is better, cause it is thicker (we put a man on the moon and you did not)

Revisionism.

>science is now propaganda
ok centrist

Soviet economy never worked. So for the longest time the Soviets exploited the economies of the warsaw pact states and then from the 70's on they relied heavily on selling natural resources like gas and oil. In the 80's the prices for oil dropped, the stores became empty and people revolted. Coincidentally after turbulent times in the 90's Russia became stable again when oil rose in price again around the year 2000.

More like the soviet union ruined communism.

More like attempting communism ruined communism. The main problem with Marx is that he hated that philosophers were just theorists and had a hard on for revolutions so he created a doctrine that encouraged reactionary actions.

Socialism could have actually been much more prestigious and had a more positive influence in the world today if it were left alone as a scientific theory to be analized, discussed and changed over time. Of course it did all those things as well but it's mostly associated to a bunch of fanatics who turned it into a proto-religious fascist cult and killed millions in the process of following its formula blindly like one would a cake recipe.

Yeltsin declaring independence

The war against Japan, war against the Central Powers, war against itself, and war against the Axis.
All close to each other, all devastating, it took a lot of loans, had to default, lose tens of millions of men, and then got embargoed by the rest of the planet while hoping to recover, AND challenged to an arms race at a time when it should've been building highways and factories with that money.

Yeltsin had to do an emergency landing to Helsinki airport once because his plane ran out of vodka

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Only if by revisionism you mean finally recognizing that genocide and slavery is bad and that the things they have done in the past were monstrous. And I agree. It could have kept going for a long time if it ignored all the horrible things Stalin did and just adapted, going even further away from Leninism and pretending it never happened like the chinese government did.

Stalin did NOTHING wrong
the holodomor did not happened but kulak khokhols deserved it anyway

10/10

>implyin this is bait
PROVE the holodomor without resorting to Conquest's LIES

Well, it's pretty much the consensus from the international community.

repository.un.org/bitstream/handle/11176/246001/A_C.3_58_9-EN.pdf

But how can I prove anything to you if you believe all testimony and material evidence is anti-USSR propaganda? Maybe you'll accept it one day, when you're a bit older and less susceptible to cult-like ideology.

here is all proofs you need

Wrong

Well argumented.

Soviet economy subsidized the warsaw pact for every year of its (warsaw pact's) existence.

State capitalism

You mean they sometimes subsidized their puppet states? I'm sure it worked out great for them. That must be why Poland's GDP per capta was similar to Spain's before ww2 and 5 times smaller after they finally got away from the soviets.

>trusting an american newspaper with pics that could've been taken anywhere during the depression

hmmm

Blame communism

Soviets stopping their massive free oil shipments directly caused the 1981-1982 unrest in the Warsaw Pact

>East Asia