Imperialist Lenin

These governments declared independence after the dissolution of the Russian Empire. Lenin invaded them to bring them back into the Russian fold.

>I can't refute anything he said so I'll throw insults
Not an argument. Maybe try reddit

He was trying to spread socialism to other countries as a means of liberating workers, it wasn't imperialism.

There isn't an argument in that post.

Isn't invading a nation that ceded from the former Russian Empire that's ethnically and culturally not Russian and has literally zero desire to be a part of any Russian led union the definition of imperialism? Azerbaijan was at the time led by Mensheviks. Lenin did it to consolidate his power.

He was invading independent republics that ceded from the Russian Empire to exert his will over them. Poland and the Baltic States didn't want to be in the Soviet Union anymore than they wanted to be in the Russian Empire. Lenin even said he invaded Azerbaijan for their oilfields. That's not for liberating workers.

I count two assertions based in fact and a general conjecture about the nature of politics as a whole, certainly seems like an argument to me that is claiming the USSR was hollow bullshit, again maybe you should stick to reddit where you don't need any reading comprehension.

An assertion isn't an argument. A justification for an assertion is, which your posts completely lack (because there isn't, except /pol/ memes you repeat like a retard).
>b-b-b-but if you're not a retarded stormfag you must be from reddit, p-please get out of my safespace

Not him but that's wrong

And you seem foolish

Again maybe you should stick to reddit. You're a bird brained moron and can't even refute that the USSR was a Jewish controlled slave state where nobody had any rights and the people at the top couldn't be arsed about actual international communism but imperialism. Back to /r/socialism, just another failed raid!

>In philosophy and logic, an argument is a series of statements typically used to persuade someone of something or to present reasons for accepting a conclusion.[1][2] The general form of an argument in a natural language is that of premises (typically in the form of propositions, statements or sentences) in support of a claim: the conclusion.
He hasn't presented any argument.

>You're a bird brained moron and can't even refute that the USSR was a Jewish controlled slave state where nobody had any rights and the people at the top couldn't be arsed about actual international communism but imperialism.
Again, you have made a claim but given no arguments, the burden of proof is on you. But you are just repeating stormfag shit, you have no argument to back up your claims. For example, the ussr never had a jewish leader and never had a majority of jews among its "rulers", while at some point it was ostensibly antisemitic.

You're wrong! The entirety of the central committee were jews! Lenin was a Jew! Trotsky was a Jew! Soviet peasants and workers lived in horrid conditions! You're a lying Jew!

I don't know if you are the guy I responded to or someone parodying him, but lenin wasn't jewish and neither were most in the central committee:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Committee_elected_by_the_8th_Congress_of_the_Russian_Communist_Party_(Bolsheviks)
Even less so after stalin.
Workers did live in bad conditions though.

Lenin was a Jew.

He wasn't a jew neither under nuremberg laws nor for jews. He was given a christian name and was a christian until his father died and he became an atheist.

Lenin was a Jew.

K stormfag, nice to see your arguments

> 1. How would you approach a transition to communism in the United States today?
I don't think it is possible at all in the current situation.
My personal plan is to keep trying to convince people to fight for their interests, and to convince them that their interests reside in liberty, equality, and the pursuit of political power. Also support and take part in localized and temporary experiences of socialistic ways of life. And finally, wait for technology to change the economic and thus political situation.
> 2. What about the people who oppose that transition?
We dissolve them as a class.
I expect violence to be necessary. But seeing as violence has detrimental side effects for the emotional state of the ones exercising it, and can possibly create more resistance than it destroys we should employ it carefully and deliberately.
I also think that a better society should try to be resilient to small scale threats to its order, more than it should try to be effective at suppressing them.

Lenin was a Jew I will not engage in an argument with a person who denies basic facts. Why does pointing out people's Jewish roots make me a stormfag? Your people are a odd bunch, Chaim.

Leninist & Luxemburgian theories on "Imperialism" were rationalizations of why communism had not established itself in bourgeois European nations via revolution, based on the supposition that a revolution was inevitable. Also a stupid theory because Italy was in on the Imperial bandwagon and was not a capitalist nation. The problem with Marxism is that any contradictory evidence to the theory is just rationalized as more supporting evidence for the theory.

Sadly, brain-dead Marxshits still rationalize why their asinine belief in Dialectical-Materialism (a contradiction in terms, "what is geist?" tier """"theory"""") has been proven to be nonsense since the 19th century. They will now argue that American Imperialism has prevented the global revolution, and that post-scarcity will the the catalyst for the global revolution etc.

He was so consumed by his spastic worship of Marxism, that after witnessing its failure to materialize, he wrote a book and destroyed a whole nation in an attempt to rationalize it in his own mind.

>I don't engage with anyone that doesn't accept my stormfag lies as self evident truths
No wonder your beliefs are so retarded.

Not the user you're arguing with but

Lenin was born to a German–Swedish woman and a Russian Jewish physician

Stop being stupid

>*boker face*

This
Lenin's ultimatum to ukraine was literally bullshit in order to get his hands on more clay

www.firstworldwar.com/source/ukraine_lenin1.htm

>m-muh internationalism of peace
K E K
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K

False, those are his grandparents:
>Lenin's father, Ilya Nikolayevich Ulyanov, was from a family of serfs; his ethnic origins remain unclear, with suggestions being made that he was Russian, Chuvash, Mordvin, or Kalmyk.[2] Despite this lower-class background he had risen to middle-class status, studying physics and mathematics at Kazan Imperial University before teaching at the Penza Institute for the Nobility.[3] Ilya married Maria Alexandrovna Blank in mid-1863.[4] Well educated and from a relatively prosperous background, she was the daughter of a German–Swedish woman and a Russian Jewish physician who had converted to Christianity.
Again, this makes him not a jew to either jews or nazis. And he was a christian:
>The couple had two children, Anna (born 1864) and Alexander (born 1868), before Lenin—who would gain the childhood nickname of "Volodya"—was born in Simbirsk on 10 April 1870, and baptised several days later. They were followed by three more children, Olga (born 1871), Dmitry (born 1874), and Maria (born 1878). Two later siblings died in infancy.[7] Ilya was a devout member of the Russian Orthodox Church and baptised his children into it, although Maria – a Lutheran – was largely indifferent to Christianity, a view that influenced her children.[8]

>Stop being stupid
Why don't you google the shit you post before calling me stupid?

You're just providing evidence that Lenin was a Jew. You really drank the Kool aid huh? The cognitive dissonance is off the charts!

You're both right and wrong. He had ethnic jewish lineage through his dad BUT in orthodox judaism, the mother needs to be jewish for the children to "inherit" the faith. Not that it matters much in the end, "jewish emancipation" according to communists requires them to abandon their jewish identity.

Sort of like how modern secular atheist 'jews' aren't really jewish either?

Okay I guess

>liberation
>imperialism

>semantics

>Lenin was born to a German–Swedish woman and a Russian Jewish physician

Lad...That was mom of Vladimir Ilyich. Are you /pol/ocks so damn stupid you can't at least check the fucking wikipedia?

xD

How am I wrong?

Secular jews may be ethnic jews but aren't religious jews. Lenin was neither.

He may not have been a Jew by definition but the fact that he had Jewish heritage is still significant. The Nazis would have considered him Mischling (mixed-blood) and he would not have been allowed to serve in the SS.

>He may not have been a Jew by definition but the fact that he had Jewish heritage is still significant.

You've just showed yourself to be retarded, and yet you continue to push your nonsense? How was his maternal grandfater's heritage significant, especially when Israel Blank abandoned it and converted to christianity?

He was a Jew Chaim. Communism is Jewish.

>How am I wrong?
Dunno which poster you are. If you're the one claiming he had no jewish heritage, then you're clearly overlooking his dad being ethnically jewish. If you're the poster claiming lenin was jewish, you're clearly disregarding jewish laws on matrilineality and jewish identity.

Secular judaism is a modern manufactured identity and has no historical relevance

One a person becomes secular they stop being a jew

I don't think anyone said no jewish heritage at all, he was just not jewish himself under any criteria, neither ethnically nor religiously. How he ended up being the leader of a jewish conspiracy is a pretty big mistery. And you are mixing his father with his grandfather again.

I don't really care either way. I'm just assuming the most convenient scenario for stormfags in which secular jews are considered jewish to argue that lenin is still not jewish. If I simply said that secular jews aren't jews they would start whining.

Right sorry, his grandad. It's still ethnic or racial heritage though (in the sense of ancestry). I completely agree with you anyway on the cultural aspect, his dad/grandad were christian converts so pinning some jewish identity on him is bullshit.

>le Jews
None of the Soviet leaders were really Jewish. Lenin had a little Jewish blood but that's it. Trotsky was Jewish but he never ruled. Some of the revolutionaries and soon-to-be bureaucrats were Jewish, but most of the Old Bolsheviks, Jewish or not, were killed in the 30s. Stalin was Georgian, Khrushchev was Russian, Brezhnev was Ukrainian, Andropov was Russian, Chernenko was Russian, and Gorbachev was Russian.

>Le

>Calling dumb memes dumb memes is bad

Raus, negro

You're full of shit and are just pulling a No True Scotsman fallacy.

You're wasting your time. They still consider Marx jewish even though his dad was a convert, wasn't raised jewish and penned the jewish question literally telling practicing jews to stop being jews. They don't care about the militany godless campaigns or how communism rejects all religions as bourgeois influence.

Marx was 100% Jewish there isn't a synagogue in the world that wouldn't consider him Jewish. Israel would welcome him with open arms as an ethnic jew.

I'm sorry chaim you have been working overtime to divorce Judaism from communism in this thread for a while now but it is impossible

He'd be considered a Gentile by most Orthodox synagogues, and he didn't consider himself Jewish.

Chaim Communism is a 100% Jewish plot with anarchism being a watered down goyim friendly version of it this is known through out the world. I suggest you leave this thread with what is left of your dignity because you are embarrassing yourself.

Not him but you seem to be assuming there's one person calling bullshit on you. There's at least three.
Communism existed before marx. And marx was genetically jewish but didn't give a fuck about jews and all his philosophical influences were european.

>Herschel converted from Judaism to Lutheranism, the main Protestant denomination in Germany and Prussia at the time, taking on the German forename of Heinrich over the Yiddish Herschel

>The Mishnah (Kiddushin 3:12) states that, to be a Jew, one must be either the child of a Jewish mother or a convert to Judaism, (ger tzedek, "righteous convert")

>The Jew has emancipated himself in a Jewish manner, not only because he has acquired financial power, but also because, through him and also apart from him, money has become a world power and the practical Jewish spirit has become the practical spirit of the Christian nations. The Jews have emancipated themselves insofar as the Christians have become Jews.[...] In the final analysis, the emancipation of the Jews is the emancipation of mankind from Judaism.

If you don't like historical facts, you might as well fuck off back to /pol/

Thank for providing more evidence of another communist being Jewish while claiming they're not Jewish, who shall be do next? How about known Zionist Lev Bronstein?

>Communism existed before marx
wat? He is literally the father of scientific socialism and it's his dialectial materialism which coined the next stage as "communism". If you meant utopian socialism then I agree (owen, fourier, st simon, etc - all of which weren't jewish).

Not the stormfag but thought I'd interject a little on this point you made.

>I'm jewish because my atheist parents told me I am

lol okay... not sure what purpose this serves but if men can identify as women I guess atheists can LARP as jews

Ask 10 commies about Soviet expansionism and get 10 different answers. Among commies who are apologists for the USSR, there are a few common arguments. Some are compelling, some aren't.

>USSR needed to take over nearby capitalist states to construct a socialist coalition capable of resisting imperialism.
>Invasion was necessary to liberate those developing economies from western corporate domination.
>Invasion was necessary to protect the Baltic masses from the Baltic elites.
>These territories had been rightfully Russian just a few years prior, so Lenin and Stalin had good reasons to invade.

If we are talking about the idea behind communism (abolition of private property, classless society, etc.) it has existed sporadically in a ton of movements throughout history. If we are talking about the word communism itself, it was already used in france before engels adopted it. And of course, as you mention, there were utopian socialists and anarchists before marx. Of course, marxist historicism was created by marx, but that's a tautology.

To OP: Because commieboos are retarded cultists.

To the stormfag: Most victims of Soviet communism died during Stalinism. Are you going to claim that Stalin was secretly a Jew? Or that he was some kind of figurehead for Jews? That would be strange, given how many Jews he killed. Doesn't sound like some sort of tightly organized Jewish conspiracy to me.

>B-b-but goy what about the jew oblast
>S-stanlee wuz a joo r-right
>Commies B-BTFO
ignore the stormfag and let him fuck back to /pol/

Stalin reclaimed communism for the goyim but communism is an inherently Jewish construct.

Yes thank you. I am glad you aware of the Jewish involvement in Communism.

In the US, communism can only come through mass action, whether through voting, violence, or a general strike. This is a long ways off, because the US is a pretty comfy country without a strong tradition of direct political action.

Although as capitalism becomes increasingly brutal, despite the best efforts of Trump and Bernie, a mass movement may become more likely. I wouldn't expect much to change until we see masses of normal people, like 35 year old moms from from the suburbs, in the streets demanding a more democratic economy.

>Bernie
Known Jew from Brooklyn. If he ever establishes the Soviet States of America reddit kiddos 100 years in the future will deny his Jewishness!

pretty much. this is true of Stalin as well. Russia became a revisionist power after the treaty of Brest-Litovsk, regardless of its nominally communist government

Sure they existed before marx but they didn't exist with the same intensity or put all together in the format we now know as marxism. That's why mentioned the utopians. We probably agree but to say communism , as we understand it, existed before marx is a bit of a stretch. What makes communism so controversial is the total sum of its parts and the methods it advocates.

I believe in engaging with stormfags when one has the mental energy for it. Ignoring them seems to just fuel their conspiracy theories.

You're shifting your narrative now. So communism is not necessarily a Jewish conspiracy, it's just "inherently a Jewish construct"? What does that even mean?

Communism is inherently Jewish. The Soviet Union was a utopia for jews before they leveraged their position to create Israel. Local communist parties to this day in all corners of the western world are always run by back stabbing Zionist kikes.

Communism. Is. Jewish.

It is the definition of Tikkum Olam.

Lenin was a quarter Jewish and never even met his Jewish ancestor.

A lot of early Bolsheviks were Jews because they were an educated urban majority wronged by the old order. This shouldn't be surprising. Druze and Shia Muslims and the Igbo and Indonesian Chinese and national minorities in Spain embraced fat left thought under similar conditions.

And a well known anti-zionist..

We get it, your lies got exposed so now you must pretend that you have won. But why don't you just fuck off back to your safespace? Nobody will question your conspiracy theories there.

Why should I hate my own race, SJW?
Veeky Forums isn't your anti white safespace, leftypol

In what way were they wronged?

If communism is Jewish, why is the Jewish state a right-wing oligarchy that betrayed its own workers' movement and sided with the USA over the Soviet Union?

Jews are so thoroughly ensconced in Communism the only criticism people have is that some jews are not really quite Jewish enough! You're pathetic Chaim!

>We probably agree but to say communism , as we understand it
If we are arguing in terms of what people understand when you say communism you'd have a better time arguing lenin created it. 99% of people think of soviet-like authoritarian states, not whatever marx envisioned.

>Sure they existed before marx but they didn't exist with the same intensity or put all together in the format we now know as marxism.
>What makes communism so controversial is the total sum of its parts and the methods it advocates.
I guess I don't really believe marxist communism is some cohesive ideology that incorporates the different aspects of marxian thought as some marxists do. I don't think it differs very much from other communist movements in any relevant sense. But I understand your point.

Ever heard about the Protocols of Zion's elders?

Communism is a Jewish plot to enslave the goyim of the plane with the jews at the top wielding absolute de jure power instead of the de facto control they currently wield via the world financial system

Sure.

But what grievance did the jews have against the Russians at that time?

>be a minority of super powerful people
>support a pro egalitarian revolution
>put a guy that was raised as a christian in power
>he dies
>put an antisemitic georgian in power
>he kills everyone
These jews must be really dumb.

That's fake. Are you from /pol/?

Of course it would be fake Schlomo. Mein Kampf is a anti German forgery as well hehehehe

That's the point, you dildo.

It was made by ochrana to ignite anti-semitism.

Nothing to deny when it's well known he went to hebrew schools and went through the whole jewish formation shebang. Even if he is a lapsed/atheist, he is undoubtedly racially and ethnically jewish. Not that it makes him a commie, he's just another socialist with no stomach for revolutionary classwarfare. He would certainly get gulag'd in the first year of an actual communist uprising. More a useful idiot than anything, which is precisely what a lot of jewish bunds were during the soviet revolution.

Pogroms
That secret anti-Semitic which counted the fucking tsar amongst its members that I can't remember the name of
etc

*secret society

Whatever you say Chaim

You aren't asking in good faith but I'll humor you.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_Russian_Empire

Leftist Jews did not embrace communism necessarily because of discrimination against themselves or their parents, but because such experiences gave them little reason to respect the Tsarist capitalist Orthodox order and an empathy toward other non-Russian or non-Orthodox peoples.

>freeing people from capitalist exploitation is imperialism
>being this spooked

>The Soviet Union was a utopia for jews before they leveraged their position to create Israel.

Stalin killed all the prominent Jewish Bolsheviks. How was Stalinism a utopia for Jews? Maybe compared to Tsarist times, but that's not saying much.

>Local communist parties to this day in all corners of the western world are always run by back stabbing Zionist kikes.

Local communist parties in the western world have very little influence. Social democracy is very popular, communism on the other hand is a fringe movement.

>back stabbing Zionist kikes.

Stabbing who in the back? What experience do you have with this? What research have you done that is statistically valid and isn't based on echo-chamber stormfag propaganda?

>Communism. Is. Jewish.

Or... it was an inevitable reaction to the changes caused by the 19th century industrial revolution, and Jews became prominent in it because being a trans-national persecuted group, they felt a natural affinity for trans-national movements that claimed to champion the persecuted? You do realize that communism existed before Marx, right?

>It is the definition of Tikkum Olam.

Just because there are communistic tendencies in Judaism don't mean that Jews are organized into a world-spanning, centuries-long conspiracy that secretly controls all political systems other than the ones that you personally happen to find attractive. There are communistic tendencies in Mormonism, too. And the Amish. Pretty much all small religious communities develop communistic tendencies. Doesn't mean that they are secretly pulling the strings on all world history.

Kill yourself cunt
if by "at their own will" you mean communist monkey puppets signed deals joining us in while soviet army was standing around inside our borders then sure

But they didn't want to be 'freed' into communism.

The kikes are drawn to communism as a mechanism to Lord over the goyim no matter what, Jewish involvement in Communism in pre Weimar Germany and the 1960s USA is proof of this, Jewish involvement in Communism because of oppression is a joke.

Hey my friend took that photo and tweeted that