Be american education system

>Jews benefit from sympathy created by propagation of "muh 6 gorillion" meme
>The people who spearheaded communism were (((Trotsky))) and (((Marx)))

It's anyone's guess

In grade nine we studied humanity's formative civilizations, Sumer, the Greek states, Rome, etc.

Part way through the year our instructor left, and the new guy switched course, turning toward feudal japan, followed by the Rhodesian burden in Africa, and the war against the Zulu. Even saw the film in class.

US history in the 10th year was largely played out from the 19th century to the great depression from what I recall, which a focus on manifest destiny, the great trials of the eras, the taming of the south under reconstruction, the construction of the panama canal, monroe doctrine, the great white fleet, all that lovely Imperialism.

Im mad we never learned about the native americans in the US even though they helped shaped the culture and history of this country.

what gives you the right to think they were integral?

they were like a force of nature, a working of the elements to strive against as this nation was founded.

It's not my right to think that. It is as it is.

who are you quoting

You went to a shitty school then. I'm sorry. As far as I can remember, it went for me

>Grade 9, ancient world history

Started with Egypt, Mesopotamia, IVC, and the Yellow River Chinese, then skipped to the Persians, Greeks, and Romans, then went onto the collapse of the Roman Empire, the "Dark Ages", the development of culture and technology, such as it was, in both Europe and the Near East, the crusades, then another skip to the renaissance, the age of sail, and mostly ending with the discovery of America

>Grade 10, U.S. history

Started with the settlement era, then a lot about the revolutionary war, westward expansion, the political pressures that led up to the Civil War, ACW itself, the gilded age, and American involvement in WW1 and 2, but was pretty much focusing on the home front and the domestic pressures that led to war. Some mention of the Holocaust, but not much.

>Grade 11, Modern world history

Starts with the French Revolution, stuff about colonialism, WW1 and 2, the cold war, and decolonization. Like I said upthread, a lot of focus on Rwanda as 'the' genocide.

By grade 12 I was out of the regular history program and taking certain AP courses which touched on different, but very focused things.

Yeah american anticommunism is known for being so mild

well, dealing with them sure took a lot of attention from where it could have been applied elsewhere, that's true

mostly they were there, in the way, kind of like the keystone oil pipeline

you guys must have went to a "shitty school' because I dont see any anti communism in that curriculum

in gradeschool we (in my own schooling) reviewed the effective structure of various regulated economies, and the drawbacks and inadequacies of command economies, like those seen under communism, they aren't adaptive, that's the integral fault

>(((media))) talks constantly about extreme minority neo nazi group that is complete and utter joke
>ignore growing socialist group every day

hrm

my almonds are activated

its almost like the people who own the media wouldn't like you to know that their tribe members created communism

you must have replied to me by mistake

>hitler
>giving a shit about god

fuck off

I knew education failed in the US when one of my friends whom is extremely intelligent said to me one day with a straight face "I don't understand why we just can't have communism"

He's a bernie voter now.

If you don't think learning about the Cold War entails anti-communist stuff, then things like logic and critical reading skills must have been glossed over as well.

thats like saying teaching the civil war automatically entails anti confederate stuff

its completely different than deconstructing the ideology and explaining why its shit

You do realize that, American social values being what they are (or perhaps I should say a certain segment of New York social values being what they are), ideological demonization, especially offered towards children, is enormously frowned upon, yes? That they think that if you give the children a set of facts and a framework for investigation and logical thought, you shouldn't be trying to push your ideologies on them.

And hey, it worked. While I don't keep in huge amounts of contact with my former classmates, as far as I know, none of them are commies. It turns out that if you dwell on things like Pol Pot and the Cultural revolution and just present the facts, intelligent people can come to reasonable conclusions. If you think that a state sanctioned institution should be ideologically indoctrinating children, maybe America isn't for you.

But that's not what schools are there for
That's indoctrination user

>holodomor
Nazi and polish 30s antiUSSR propaganda
>gulag
Regular work camps with a highly exagerrated death count. Id rather be in them than in whatever shitty bourgeois dictatorship in hungary.
>muh secret poleess
Retarded anecdotal evidence

As if the mainstream media wasnt brainwashing you burgers enough

then by that logic all the hitler and holocaust education is fucking indoctinration too?

i just want the same amount of time to be spent on communism is as spent on fascism

thats not a lot to ask my man

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The goalposts are out of orbit

i never moved any goalposts you sperg the entire point of this thread from the very beginning was how the american education system spends no time teaching communism

please kill yourself

>teaching holocaust is indoctrination

wtf I'm a nazi now

>>>/leftypol/

The left are attracted to jobs where they don't have to produce anything, and their performance cannot be measured. i.e. Education.

And they're the left, sympathetic to communism and socialism.

So guess what they teach your kids?

Marxist/Leninist philosophy branched into Bolshevism and Mussolini's fascism; Hitler was a socialist; totalitarianism is of the left. Completely of the left.

I learned about the Soviet Union's atrocities, the Eastern Bloc, and the Chinese famine. When we learned about the 19th century we even learned about why Marxism has its flaws. The issue is just that US education in general has some qualitative flaws.

People are more prejudiced against the far right than the far left. Cultural marxism. It is real.

Diluting the sense of tradition, national pride, culture, religion and all the values just so that they can be subjected under capital control.

It is perverse how contemporary "left" is actually working with the capitalism even though they always insist how it is fascism which is the marriage of corporate efficiency and national power.

user, schools don't teach kids how to think
They teach them facts
Having 4 hours a week of anti-communist propaganda shoved down the kids' throats is indoctrination.
Teaching them about Pol Pot isn't.

*tips revisionism*

Yes you did you idiot liar.

>its completely different than deconstructing the ideology and explaining why its shit

>i just want the same amount of time to be spent on communism is as spent on fascism

Again, I don't know about you, but in my school, we spent more time on Communism stuff than we did on Fascism stuff. So we hit your stupid criteria, except insofar as it didn't, according to you, "deconstruct the ideology and explained why it was shit". You moved the goalposts.

How come in your mind, teaching about fascism is "facts"

But teaching them about communism is "indoctrination"

You're a faggot and part of the problem. Do you think the american education system should spend equal time teaching about fascism as they do communism? Why or why not?

>its completely different than deconstructing the ideology and explaining why its shit
because they dont do this for fascism lol okay

education is now indoctrination guys

Obviously communism, it's much more influential overall.
And again, teaching kids about the holocaust and say, the cultural revolution is not indoctrination.
And yes I'm a faggot but that has nothing to do with this,

>totalitarianism is to the left on the economic spectrum

>bomb churches but never touch the synagogues
That's wrong. Jews in the Soviet Union often saw their synagogues confiscated or destroyed right alongside churches.

Memexander Solzhenitsyn was a literal nazi supporter, although you are possibly a poltard too, to any normie this fires so.e alarms. The USA gave his book way more credit than it deserved in the context of the cold war.
When people began to see how nuts he was they shut him down.
The left adopted liberal principles from the hippies and the frankfurt school.
If stalin was in power he would send them to a gulag for being fags.

>because they dont do this for fascism lol okay

Again, in my school, no, they didn't.You have this bizarre strawman, and you seem more than a little stupid.

>Jews create and finance communism

You mispelled "Germans"

>le (((meme)))
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I use the deconstruct the ideology example because that is what they did at my school for teaching about fascsim but obviously it would be different depending on the school.

I'm not trying to make a strawman I'm just saying that I think most anons can agree that communism should be taught alongside fascism.

Your friend is pretty based. You could learn from him.

I'm reminded of albert einsteins definition of insanity right about now.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre

I agree

britbong here, communism was taught alongside fascism as a big "totalitarianism" module that took up half of my penultimate year in high school

In my russian class as in learning to speak russian (in american school), we learned plenty about the horrors of communism. That's where they showed us eisenstein films and come see. I miss that class the teacher would show us slides of his family in some russian beach in the summer. We got to see his wife and daughter topless in some of the pics. The daughter was hot she was a sophmore at my school though while i was a freshman.

>I'm not trying to make a strawman I'm just saying that I think most anons can agree that communism should be taught alongside fascism.

Maybe not at your shit school, but in other schools it is. Complain to your local board of education instead of making idiotic claims about all of American education.

>that time communists in cambodia killed literally 1/4 the population of the island
>island
American education, everyone.

Umm Cambodia is an island like much of Southeast asia. Countries like Bali and Indonesia are also islands.

Well that's sad because the high school I went to was by far the best one in the area out of 7 other ones. But I'm glad they are teaching it at the one you went to and the one this guy went to

On behalf of my fellow Americans, I apologize for this idiot. We're not all like this.

>I cant stand opposing facts

Oh. Well I feel stupid now.

Dang. Laos really got cucked out of a coastline

because there is no such thing as "the jews"

I suggest getting yourself a nice world map for your wall, it's a cinch to install, looks nice, and won't be very expensive, wouldn't be worse than any poster you likely have tacked to it

Maybe it's just that you're a shit student. Literally no State has a school curriculum like the one you stated. My K-12 public education basically followed along the lines of "The Western Tradition" series by Eugene Weber, only we had specific units that focused on State History as well. These are the Standards for Ohio just for K-12 American history alone.

education.ohio.gov/getattachment/Topics/Ohio-s-New-Learning-Standards/Social-Studies/High-School_American-History_Model_Curriculum_Aug2014.pdf.aspx

I graduated from a high school ranked "excellent" by Ohio's education board in 2012 and we never learned about communism other than a 5 second tidbit on the russian revolution "oh yeah that happened" and another tidbit on the red scare "ppl were afraid of communism"

The rest was spent on US history and hitler

And I see that's marked 2014 so maybe they updated it.

That would explain why Americans are the least hostile nation against communism..oh wait!

Einstein, the socialist scientist?

>The actions of the Soviet Union in Eastern Europe and the
spread of communism in Asia sparked fears among many Americans. A second Red Scare focused attention on the media, labor unions, universities and other organizations as targets of communist subversion. Like the first Red Scare following World War I, civil liberties were again challenged.

The investigations of the HouseUn-American Activities Committee (HUAC) prompted employers to blacklist suspected communists, including actors and writers.
Senator Joseph McCarthy played on fears of subversion with his charges of communists infiltrating the U.S. government.The McCarthy hearings and HUAC investigations held the
attention of the American people through the middle 1950s

>Have students contrast political climate (i.e., McCarthyism) in the 1950s with the current fear
of terrorist attack. Are we reacting in similar ways? Why or why not?

this is garbage

McCarthy was right and HUAC getting abolished was a mistake

THIS

>Obvious things are not obvious to me.

Yes, self-evident things are self-evident.

>muh national SOCIALISM is not socialism.

>muh DEMOCRATIC people's REPUBLIC of korea isn't a democratic republic

Name some policies the glorious socialist Adolf Hitler enacted.

Left and right are in economic terms you fucking indonesian cartographer

not him but hitler had a lot of traditional soclaist policies

they were for germans only obviously

its not like """"""socialism""""""" of today, but back then it was par for the course

Surely the socialism component had been pretty much killed off after the night of the long knives?

This russian girl in my history class have a short presentation on the Winter War one time.

Nationalization of all formerly privately owned welfare associations
State worker's union
Social welfare (Nationalsozialistische Volkswohlfahrt)
Universal healthcare
Worker's programs
Price fixing the cost of goods and services from 1936 on
State usurpation of bank practices
Annual labor drives like the Winterhilfswerk
Soviet-style state policies like the Four Year Plan

Much of this would survive in the GDR after the war.

>b-b-b-but muh gerda bel says he privatized some banks

Yeah, to stack the boards with Nazi board directors so the banking industry would accept the MEFO bill scam without complaint.

are you implying u cant be socialist if you're violent cuz socialism always involves purges

>Price fixing the cost of goods and services from 1936 on

what did he price fix? I know he banned land speculation but thats not the same

Oh did German workers owned the means of production?

Then shut the fuck up

shut up you autistic nigger with this "its not socialism unless u own le means of production" maymay

thats just a shitty excuse to keep trying communism over and over again(and failing)

Social democracy at best

He is implying you can't be a socialist party when you purged all the fucking socialists

Fuel, food and minerals primarily. He also fixed wages. This led to hyperinflation after the war, as the prices Germans had been paying for fuel and food were completely out of touch with global markets.

This also led to an enormous Nazi black market as Germans refused to accept the price fixing. They would enact progressively greater punishments for flaunting price fixing, up to and including execution for flagrant violations, through the course of the war.

>instead of one boss with varying levels of coordinating control, lets have thirty or so people with equal decision making power! that'll make things run smoothly and efficiently

Explain what "owning the means of production" looks like.

Go ahead. Explain this in normal human being terms.

That is the core tenet of socialism. That has been that way by actual socialists. Claiming otherwise is Orwellian and shifting goalposts

Socialists will never accept culpability as a collective despise forcing the collectivist spiel as a selling point. It's collectivism when its time to blame capitalism, individualism whenever your collective shits the biscuit. Pick and chooseism, truly. Anything wrong with socialism is capitalism's fault. You can't argue them out of this.

It's in the syllabus. Have you contacted your congressman or attended any school board meetings or did you sleep through civics which they start teaching in grade school?

teachinghistory.org/teaching-materials/state-standards/ohio/9

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative. Basically the workers elects a CEO or whatever as their leader, decide big picture decisions collectively, and share the profits among themselves

Forgot to add that cooperative isn't the be all and end all of how socialism can work, but a good draft or framework to work on

That's fucking stupid as shit. You can have socialism without that garbage.

>managerial class
>socialism

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it's another "retard thinks co-ops are socialism" episode LOL

Refer to this . People ask for how could socialism work, not how it should work

American history education generally goes like this from elementary school onward:

>SLAVERY, WHITE MEN ARE BAD, AMERICA IS DEFINED BY SLAVERY!

>HOLOCAUST, THE JEWS HAVE SUFFERED TOO MUCH!

then

>MCCARTHYISM, YOU CANNOT CALL PEOPLE COMMUNIST! ANY CRITICISM OF THE LEFT IS A WITCH HUNT!

then done

I assume it's because of common sense and the fact that what happened in China doesn't really affect the western world as much as WW2 did. WW2 saw a group of people who were thought to be developed and civilized (Germans) acting like complete barbarians and they not only decimated Europe but also gave the USSR an excuse to take and hold the Eastern half of Europe and they even initially helped the USSR with dividing Poland.

The events you see like in Maoist China were very bad, but it's considered common sense, at least here, to not imitate them and it doesn't really affect Europe because what happens that far away doesn't usually concern us culturally, I think.

Not an argument.