Fall of the Roman Empire Factors

I'm looking for that pic of 100+ factors that cashed fall of the WRE that I see all the time on here.

Also general thread for fall of Rome in 476 or 1453.

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You mean the wikipedia list?

I'm thinking he means the list that includes communism and homosexuality as factors

just look up the "good" emperors and you will see why it had to fail

Diocletian
>overthrow the tetrarchy because it doesn't work
>institute ridiculous economic reforms which centralised power and led to an overblown bureaucracy and the death of he weak economy
>put people in collectives and force them to work to save the economy
>cause the upperclas the seek refuge by the barbarians... by the fucking BARBARIANS
>fight against the death cult who seeks to overthrow your empire and fail
>after you crushed your own economy and failed to destroy or integrate the death cult, you decide to become a private citizen (with a giant palace) so you reinstitute the tetrarchy which never worked in the first place
>after the civil wars the reinstitution of the tetrarchy caused get ask for help with the trouble you caused
>say the new emperor that his problems are none of your business and that you will grow your cabbage watching him dealing with the problems you caused in the first place
>get rememberd as a good emperor with the only downside that you fought the death cult who seeked to overthrow your empire

I know extensively about the fall of Rome, but I'm looking for this specific image to show a friend. Thought I saved it a while back. It's just a text list of short phrases, but there are many

Sry for poor English

I know the one you mean, it was from metapedia but I can't find it any more.

Your post is horseshit and here's why.

>overthrow the tetrarchy because it doesn't work
Diocletian invented the tetrarchic system, he could not have known it would have failed. That would take historical foresight the Romans did not have.

>institute ridiculous economic reforms which centralised power
The fact that the guy is unique among Roman emperors in actually giving a fuck shows his intelligence. He didn't have economic theory to work with, at least he gave it a shot.

>led to an overblown bureaucracy and the death of he weak economy
The economic reforms and administrative reforms are entirely different kettles of fish. The administrative reforms were a smart attempt to limit the power of the provincial governors and frontier generals so one alone couldn't launch a coup. It worked for a time, the 4th century was fuck loads more stable than the 3rd.

>put people in collectives and force them to work to save the economy
That isn't true at all. Plus, Roman edicta were usually ignored. Forcing the children of soldiers and millers to work in that profession is hardly "collectives". It was to address deep rooted systemic issues with the empire that nobody could have known the real fixes to.

>fight against the death cult who seeks to overthrow your empire and fail
He gave it his best shot.

>decide to become a private citizen
The only Roman emperor who abdicated willingly.

>get ask for help with the trouble you caused
That trouble was the fault of the greedy cunts like Constantine Chlorus who ruined it all. Diocletian was right to tell them to fuck off.

>get rememberd as a good emperor
Too bloody right m8. He was one of only a few genuinely exceptional emperors since he went beyond merely fucking about with established shit and going on pointless foreign adventures and instead tried to actually solve the Crisis. Without him the Western Empire would have probably collapsed in the early 4th century.

Plus he makes good meme material.

debunking my copypasta was a mistake

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>not written in latin

These threads are so boring. Don't you think this subject has been exhausted a little?

Also, ERE after the Justinian dynasty was overthrown isn't Roman anymore.

>it's another pleb talking about shit they know nothing about post

Alexander Damant suggested 210 possibilities. Does that help?

t. Byzaboo

The cause and aftermath of the Macedonian War will explain exactly where the Republiuc lost its way and turned into an empire, hell if you wanna go back further then back to the Punic wars when scipio introduced the term Imperator and spent governmetn funds on his own luxury and troops. It was the begging of the end of Roman moralist society that they had maintained, which is why Cato the Elder was vehemently opposed to certain actions of the overseas Consuls and Generals, and had tried to denounce Scipio Africanus in the aftermath of the Second Punic War.

Few spoke Latin in the East. It was a sensible move to avoid the emperor like an antiquated retard. It was still the exact same state that it had been. The Roman Empire was never even formally divided.

If it wasn't for Scipio and his "personal" army the Romans might have lost that war and it would have all ended there. Maybe this is a sign that the old structure wasn't strong enough to compete in the new world.

>The Roman Empire was never even formally divided.

Latin would stay as the official language if Greek niggers didn't overthrow the Justinians. Prove me wrong.

It actually wasn't. Like the Frankish realms of later years it was always considered the same state, just administrated by different people at the same time. It's not like Theodosius had a massive map of the Roman world and drew a big line down the middle of it. Divvying up adminstration had been pretty common-place since the 2nd century. The post-395 division was more an accident of history since Arcadius and Honorius were both completely fucking useless and were made joint-emperors years before reaching legal capacity.

>Latin would stay as the official language if Greek niggers didn't overthrow the Justinians

You're just wrong. Heraclius was an Armenian-Cappadocian.

dude i'm not samefag with the guy under me and i a decleration of war or diplomatic contacts count as recognition

Latin would stay as the official language if Armenian niggers didn't overthrow the Justinians. Prove me wrong.

Oh wait, it was Phocas that overthrew Mauricius, a Greek speaking native from Thrace: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_(emperor)#Legacy

>His court still used Latin, as did the army and administration, and he promoted science and the arts.

>that overthrew Mauricius, a Greek speaking native from Thrace

Nigger most of the Roman emperors from 200 AD onwards were Greek speakers from the Balkans. It means literally nothing. Even Diocletian was called Diocles before becoming emperor and realising his name was Greek peasant-tier.

Doesn't matter. The end of the Justinian dynasty marks the end of Classical Antiquity, i.e Roman era. Byzantium after that is a different entity.

>The end of the Justinian dynasty marks the end of Classical Antiquity, i.e Roman era. Byzantium after that is a different entity.

Historical periodisations are for convenience only. No serious historian says to themselves "OK, bam, year X came around at that point the Roman Empire no longer existed since i'm uncomfortable with identifying a Christian, more oriental empire as Rome despite it being essentially the same as it had been since the year 300". Byzantium is a mere shorthand designed to undermine the legitimacy of the Medieval empire, to play into Gibbonian ideas of decadence and degeneracy, and to present the modern West as the logical accomplishment of the fall of Rome by German and French historians of the 19th century.

>despite it being essentially the same as it had been since the year 300

Except for Latin not being the official language anymore. That's a pretty fucking big difference.

Yea that is true enough, but before Scipio landed in Africa, Hannibal was still fucking around Italy not attacking Rome because Fabian strategy and his fear. People were so terrified of loosing that they had to give authority and legions to Scipio to land and fuck up Carthage in Spain and then fuck up north africa, they didnt know that they would literally be selling the soul of the nation.

>socialism is muh big govmunt
History and """humanities""" everyone

>"dey speak greek!"
Yeah because Romans never spoke greek