ITT: Alternative history

>not just playing Kaiserreich

WWII alternate histories are stale. WWI ones are great, see

I'm in it mostly for the maps and you can make any scenario look great.

fuck out of here with that autism simulator

buy my tank game

> In 1932 F.D. Roosevelt's New Deal turns out to be a total economic failure worsening the Great Depression
But it was

>frogposters are too dumb to appreciate Keynesian economics

>20% unemployment is fine

>he thinks you alleviate unemployment with laissez-faire economics
>ignoring the part where when FDR cut down on the New Deal in 1937 the economy slid back into recession
>ignoring the part where Germany and Japan also used Keynesian economics and outperformed the neoclassical countries

I don't have a Costanza strong enough for this shit.

>new deal is literally a copy paste of the national socialist program for germany only with gold and international bank backed printed money instead of german worker backed printed money
>total failure leads to the rise of fascism in the USA

hmm

the economy slid back to a recession because he raised taxes retard

Well everything about this sentence is true and that's what happened in real life.

>new deal is literally a copy paste of the national socialist program for germany only with gold and international bank backed printed money instead of german worker backed printed money
Except the New Deal and the Nazi economic program were adopted essentially simultaneously, neither was a copy of the other

Tax cuts and spending increases are both Keynesian strategies to alleviate recession and stimulate growth.

>US joins the Axis
>Almost all of the US population is pro-Allied
>UK and Canada supply rebels with arms and training to overthrow the fascist government
>2nd Civil war arrives, virtually the entire US rebels against a few military holdouts
>By 1940 the US is restored and fully in the war against the Axis
>US, UK, and the Commonwealth gang up to counter-attack Germany in France
>With France holding up through 1940, the Brits manage to completely wreck Italy as French colonial troops take Tripoli
>Germans get kicked out of Norway since British can trust on US to pick up the slack in France
>Without Swedish iron, the German war machine begins to falter
>Invasion of Sicily in 1941
>Hitler has mental breakdown due to his attacks being repelled by millions of Us and Commonwealth soldiers
>Summer of 1941, British troops capture Reggia Calabria
>quickly overrun Southern Italy with US help
>France invades Liguria
>Soon enough Italian forces are in full retreat
>Hitler ends up having to send Rommel to take back Tuscany
>Allies meanwhile invade the Balkans with Greek help, destroying Romanian oil fields
>Finally in 1943 after a two year back-and-forth of offensives in Northern France and Lombardy Germany is out of powder
>Allies push towards the Rhine and Venice
>Rebellion in the Netherlands and Poland
>Germany collapses in less than three months
>Hitler kills himself two years ahead of schedule
>Cold war now happens with an Allied Poland+Romania border

FDR followed in Hoover's footsteps and made the same mistakes. After he mercifully got rid of the National Industrial Recovery Act the situation began improving but then he started all over again we had a depression within the depression. So many things he got wrong just so people would see that government was doing something I think Jim Powell listed them all. But I think it was the author of the Pulitzer-winning Freedom from Fear who said that the only good thing New Deal gave us was Roosevelt's smile.
All he had to do was to do the same thing that got us through the depression of 1920-21.
>ignoring the part where Germany and Japan also used Keynesian economics and outperformed the neoclassical countries

When? Today? Yeah and Japan is the most indebted country in the world. As for Germany -Erhardt's miracle.

"We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work."
Henry Morgenthau

>2nd Civil war arrives, virtually the entire US rebels against a few military holdouts

>tfw restored Confederate States join the Allied Powers

My dream come true.

>he conveniently ignored the part where Japan experienced double digit economic growth and became the world's second largest economy

With the possible exception of Hong Kong, I can't see an economy that used neoclassical economics to such good effect.

Alt-timeline where Anne Frank marries one of Mosby's Rangers, who rescued her on the train to Auschwitz when?

The system that created that bubble is also what prevents Japan from getting out of recession.

>In 1932 F.D. Roosevelt's New Deal turns out to be a total economic failure worsening the Great Depression
It wasn't particularly succesful, WW2 is what really helped.
> From 1933 onwards Hitler heavily finances the Silver Legion of America
With what money? One of the reasons he went and launched the invasion of Poland is that he knew the economy wouldn't last without a war.

Don't really need to address the rest of it since your first two necessary premises were ridiculous.

>It wasn't particularly succesful, WW2 is what really helped.

Not WWII itself but its end. Other countries either lost or were ruined either way financially like Great Britain.

>Not WWII itself but its end
So all the jobs from the factories didn't count for shit right?... No you know what fuck off I don't want your goddamn opinion.

Yes. It was a temporary job. Hire everybody in war factories and there will be nobody left to work in agriculture. Also wars destroy goods produced by the factories obviously. Go suck Krugman's tit economically illiterate pinko.

A Japanese recession is better than 90% of the world.

It's certainly a lot better than where other countries got with the same resources and opportunities.

I don't care what you think user, fuck off.

1770s
> The American War of Independence happens, WITHOUT the American Revolution (Enlightenment values), so it becomes nothing more than a landowner's war of secession.

1780s
> The French revolution does not happen because of a lack of inspiration and despite the hardships of debt and taxation and because Marie Antoinette suddenly has a change of attitude, influences King Louis to be heavily and sincerely more reformist, leading to the formation of a constitutional monarchy.

1810s
> Prince Victor is born.

1830s
> The Greek war of independence fizzles due to a lack of nationalist thought because liberalism and nationalism are not as strong in this timeline.

1840s
> The revolutionary wave of 1848 happen, but as with the abortive Greek revolution, due to a lack of a clear goal (no Napoleonic wars) it fails even more than OTL 1848. A second attempt Greek war of independence occurs.

1850s
> The Ottoman Empire changes its religious policies dramatically - "Islam, expulsion or death" - The Russian Empire seeks to intervene but is thwarted by a combined coalition of Prussia, France and the United Kingdom, which seeks to prevent Russia gaining from the "sick man of Europe" in the name of the balance of power. This greatly intensifies bad blood between Russia and Britain.

1860s
> The American Civil War breaks out. However, this time around, the CSA successfully manages to invoke "King Cotton", causing a British invasion of the US from the North. The US is destroyed as a state.

1870s
> Prussia under Otto von Bismarck invades and annexes the Free City of Frankfurt. A strong and concerted warning by the Habsburgs - supported by France and Russia - prevents Prussia from fruthering its dreams of German unification.

1890s
> The CSA attacks the limping Spanish Empire to fulfill its dreams of a Golden Circle, taking Cuba and the Phillipines by force and incorporating them as slave states. New legislation from Richmond effectively reduces unlanded whites into serfs.

1/2

Technically the new deal was a total economic failure, if you look at the long term, it lead to the world's largest corruption syndicate.
Unfunded libablities are at $200 trillion dollars, that debt Incurred from the new deal program and it's developments will literally crush the United States financially.

>New legislation from Richmond
>Richmond

If the CSA won and the USA is no more why is the capital not at Washington? The CSA wanted independence but if it could control the North too all the better it would have simply administered Maryland like it always wanted to.

Just like no one cares what social democrats and Keynesians think about their outdated views they put in textbooks and PBS programs even after they fail a hundred times. Nowadays even some left leaning historians understood what New Deal really meant and how it failed to do anything right. Others say that they aren't too interested in economics.

>japan
>bloodless surrender
how fucking retarded

1930s
> The Second Sino-Japanese War happens. Under the Anglo-Japanese Treaty, the Qing Empire is attacked by both Britain and Japan, resulting in the partition of China between the two of them.

1950s
Resisting British and Russian influence, Prime Minister Mossadegh attempts to nationalise British and Russian enterprises inside of Persia. What follows is a two pronged invasion of Persia from the North and South by Russia and Britain.

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1990s
> Korean becomes a moribund language as the Empire's Japanisation efforts prove successful in its own of its newer pronvinces.

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> 2010s
Tensions over Kashmir increase between the British and Russian Empires.

The so-called German option is very popular in Poland nowadays. Basically Poland should've accepted Hitler's offer and ally with him to spare it the worst occupation in WWII-era Europe. Poland would've attacked USSR together with Hitler but the question is when? Before or after the attack on France? In any case from the Polish point of view the destruction of the Soviet government (even without the collapse of the entire country) would've been enough to save it but Germany would've lost anyway.

Why Portugal have Uruguay, Circe, Mato Grosso, etc if there is no Spanish American wars of independence in you timeline

user I don't think I was clear enough, I don't give a shit about your opinions. I'm not even reading them.

It's a miss lol.

Keynesians deserve to be put in their place every time until they go extinct.

>Before or after the attack on France?
I'm not entirely sure there would be a need to attack France at all if Germany didn't attack Poland first.

do you even know why the nips attacked pearl harbor?

dumb wehracuck

Why is every alt-history always about nazis? Why can't it be about?

>Japan is the most indebted country
>not knowing Japan went full neolib 20 years ago
lel

Well then they should stay away from that shit. Now they're paying the toll.

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Well as long as that user knows Japan went to shit when they stopped their Keynesian spending

The Confederacy had no interest in taking over the North as a whole, nor did they have the means to do so. By 1863, whole regions of the South were effectively in a state of lawlessness. The Confederate Army, already depleted from years of fighting would've had trouble simply pacifying these regions and bringing them under government control, nevermind occupying a region where their presence is reviled and faced with constant guerilla warfare.

So no, if the CSA managed to completely destroy the United States, they would not make major encroachments on Northern territory, D.C. included. If anything, Washington would either become a ghost town, with the government that it once housed collapsed, or would become an international city, analogous to Singapore, Dubai, or Hong Kong, where Confederate and American (better called post-American Northern) culture would mix.

I don't get it. Is this supposed to an alternate timeline where the US suffers an analogous to the Russian Revolution, but masterminded by Neo-Confederates instead?

>Johan

Wasn't there a "New New Deal" or whatever it was called precisely because the New Deal failed

fuck him

>Hurr pay up cash for some tiny tank sprites goyim
>Hurr pay for features that should've been in the game from the start

Nah you'd just break down into a joint southern union with hispanic and the west mountains vs north east in a second civil war. Would last 15 years and you'd then have 2 countries. WWII wouldn't blow up nearly as big as it did and spain would eventually remanufacturise and join Italy in a Syndiclist Union, balancing powers global powers in a new joint hegmony of Americano, USA (remnants), Manchuria, Russia, Germany, Italy-Spain, & England. Sea Lion would never launch and the world would more equally sit on its lorrels instead of the concentrated clusterfuck going down @ Berliner. South Africa Would rise with these powers and you'd have had a black genocide like you'd never seen the likes of top to bottom, With Australia finding peace with imperial Japan at the borders of PNG being retained as Australian Imperial Territory. Japan wouldn't have been the hornets nest hit (no Unified Looming of Anglo coming at China from the east approach, finally). World would probably peak out in some tech race that eventuates in the destruction of the moon and subsequent freezing of the planet earth, and we all become crab people.

Ehhh, i think together for victory adds enough interesting stuff to do for the colonies so i'm cool with it.
Except new zealand, new zealand does fuck all.

How about a scenario that is not about the American Civil War or WWII?

>Jesus Christ is never born, or simply never becomes a prophet, thus Christianity (and so Islam as well) never come into existance.
>Around the period Jesus would have preached, several buddhist monks travel from India to the Roman Empire, and begin preaching Buddhism, quickly spreading the religion through the West
>After a couple centuries, Buddhism is the most common religion in the Empire, but the presence of other religions and schools of thought leads to a situation similar to China, where several religions coexist in relative peace, all taking elements from a common greco-roman mythology
>Buddhist monasteries take the role of preserving knowledge after the Roman Empire collapses that the Catholic Church had in our timeline
>Meanwhile the Persian Empire manages to spread Zoroastrianism to Central Asia. In the following centuries it would frequently clash with the Eastern Roman Empire and oscillate between periods of prosperity and weakness followed by raids and invasions by iranized central asian nomads
>Later Buddhism spreads to northern Europe, where the lack of organized religions to oppose it leads a quick mass conversion from germanic and nordic tribes who gain the benifits of civilization that brought by the monks and form new kingdoms. Those tribes then quickly spread through northern Europe and the British Isles
>By the year 1000 Europe is primarily buddhsit, and is culturally diviided between the Norse influenced north and the greco-roman Mediterranean

You do know where Maryland is don't you?

Stop user my dick can only get so hard

>breaking our ties with France and GB

You need to go further back. Fucking alternate history makes me rage. THIS IS NOT HOW HISTORY WORKS GODDAMNIT. May as well discuss alternate literature. It's beyond ignorant and makes a mockery of what history actually is and aims to do.

Why do Veeky Forums and /pol/ hate FDR with such a passion? I know his new deal wasn't as great as people say it is, but why do people despise him so much?

I want actual answers, not just 'he's a commie' ones.

Secessionist sentiment within Maryland largely collapsed after 1862. Even then, Maryland fielded more troops for the Union than it did the Confederacy.

9066

I thought the lowest quality alternate history was the roman empire doesn't split apart and stays strong to the modern times.

>> The American Civil War breaks out. However, this time around, the CSA successfully manages to invoke "King Cotton", causing a British invasion of the US from the North. The US is destroyed as a state.
yeah, what happens in this timeline that the brits aren't able to grow cotton in india like they did historically?

t. paracuck player

>>Around the period Jesus would have preached, several buddhist monks travel from India to the Roman Empire, and begin preaching Buddhism, quickly spreading the religion through the West
but ashoka did send buddhist monks to the hellenic kingdoms and empires to the east. It kinda fizzled out there.

Yeah but weren't very successful, so in this timeline they tried again and did much better.
Any other ideas? I'm taking any kind of sugestions on how to develop it

>In 1932 F.D. Roosevelt's New Deal turns out to be a total economic failure worsening the Great Depression
How is this alternate history?

>Confederacy using German guns instead of British
Historically until WW2 the brits have disliked the North and especially the Northeast. Meanwhile there's a large Catholic Irish/Germanic/Italian population in the North as well in the early 20th century which is in contrast to the WASP south. South would still get their shit kicked in though because they'd be Russia tier especially at that point.

>Almost all of the US population is pro-Allied

Veeky Forums, everyone. Look at the retard and laugh