Is there a single state on earth that has as good a W/L ratio militarily than Russia in all its incarnations throughout its history?
>BTFO'd Polish-Lithuanians on most occasions >Overthrew and BTFO'd Golden Horde so badly they never mounted a serious threat to the Russian states ever again >BTFO'd Kazan >BTFO'd the Tatars when they rebelled >BTFO'd the Turks on virtually every single occasion that the B'nai British/Caliphate of France weren't backing them up or the Swedecucks weren't attacking them on two fronts (e.g. Astrakhan, Ivan's wars, the taking of Azov, the continuous humiliations they inflicted on the Turds through the 18th and early 19th centuries - even after suffering a humiliating loss at Austerlitz) >BTFO'd Asiatics in Siberia so hard they chased them all the way to the Pacific Ocean >Won the Great Northern War >BTFO'd the Persians under Peter >BTFO'd the Polish Kingdom under Catherine >Expelled Napoleon and the largest army ever raised in Europe, chasing him back across the Niemen >Only lost at Port Arthur because they were facing revolution at home and projecting power halfway across the entire world is fucking hard. BTFO'd the Japs in the Soviet-era anyway and took the Kurils from them, which they are still butthurt about
Russian military history is goddamn impressive, you have to admit. What is it that makes them such good warriors?
>Russian military history is goddamn impressive, you have to admit.
Nope.
Gavin Wright
First Rome: Rome Second Rome: Byzantium Third Rome: Tzarist Russia Fourth Rome: Soviet Empire Fifth Rome: Neo-Tzarist Russia
Benjamin Bailey
What nation would you say has a more glorious military history?
Camden Parker
Their number of disasters is about as great as their number of victories. Sometimes on the same war. They were the main contributor to winning the largest war of all time but 50 years later got their asses kicked by a microstate. And a few years before then got their asses raped by a bunch of farmers and militia in the snow.
Truly a nation of extremes.
Adrian Foster
>Their number of disasters is about as great as their number of victories.
Such as? Most of their losses are either inconclusive status quo ante bellum results, e.g. War of the Polish Succession, or wars were virtually every great power teamed up against them e.g. the Crimean War.
Christian Mitchell
World War I for starters.
Caleb Lopez
They defeated the Austrians and then had to face a revolution at home, hardly a fair assessment of their general military capabilities is it?
James Powell
>B'nai British
Michael Foster
>they defeated the Austrians
No they didn't, the Austrians were rolling through their territory alongside the Germans in every major offensive.
>then had to face a revolution at home
The revolution was a thing in the first place because Germany wrecked their shit so hard.
Ethan Phillips
>Such as? He literally mentioned several in his post
Nathan Cook
Funny how you think racism is funny, when in reality it hurts a lot of fucking people.
Liam Murphy
This. I came here from Veeky Forums to AVOID racism. Fucking hell, shit gets my blood pressure up like nothing else.
Parker Bennett
I'll wait for "as great as their number of victories"
Ayden Lopez
Funny how /pol/ defends Russia so much.
Oh WAIT, they're a racist, sexist, homophobic state who stand against the civilized world. THAT'S why!
Grayson Perry
It's funny as long as you're white
Xavier Diaz
>got their asses raped by a bunch of farmers and militia in the snow. >still won the war
Jayden Taylor
Russia's most undersung military victory is this one:
Won it purely on the basis of outmanouvering the Japs.
Luke Wilson
$0,1 on your account
Henry Smith
>civilized world >first response to religious loons who run little girls over in giant trucks is to demand hate speech laws against the people criticizing the religion of the loon
Lol fuck off, nobody views the west as a model to follow anymore. Nobody. Look at the Philippines, or Thailand, or Singapore, or China, or Japan, let alone the Gulf or India.
Hudson Barnes
Didn't you know? On of the мaпliesт things in Russia is it's "prison culture" AУE. The core thing is rape. If you are raped you are subhuman. But to rape you got to make yor dick work. How do they do it? You got to like dirty prisoner's ass. So basically all this badass GULAG top hardcore prisoners are gay.
Luke Ortiz
>no mentions of the USSR's blunders [posts in a breadline]
Juan Cooper
America, England
Grayson Miller
>Russians >good warriors How many wars have the russians ever won against european countries without their numerical advantage?
Hunter Gutierrez
>How many wars have the russians ever won against european countries without their numerical advantage?
You have it the other way around retard, Russia was never a massively populated country. Its sheer size belies that fact.
And most of them. The various European alliances against Russia (Great Northern War for example, or the Napoleonic invasion) all featured armies of a superior size invading.
Oliver Jackson
>got curbstomped by a bunch of mountain shepherds and Rambo in the 80s
Carson Martinez
cyka blyaat
Thomas Martinez
Russia's issue was never it's military power. It was running the actual country that Russians were shit at
Lincoln Rogers
Russia always had a large population compared to its neighbours, theres a difference between a large population and a dense population.
In the Great Northern war it was everybody against Sweden not Russia and the Russians outnumbered the swedes by themselves. According to wiki during the French invasion of Russia, the french armies peak number (including allies) was 600k while the russians peak number was 900k.
David Moore
Russians are on the top tier of JUST military history
Jayden Gonzalez
This. Long live the EU and Martin Schulz/Donald Tusk. Long live cuckoldry and wars for Israel.
Nolan Taylor
>Alliances against Russia >Great Northern war
Hunter Robinson
I thought we were talking about Russians having a history of shitheap military performances?
Kayden Lee
Change of subject, let's talk about how great liberal democracy and tolerance are instead.
Ethan Martinez
without democracy Russians would still be standing in breadlines
Ethan Lee
>Overthrew and BTFO'd Golden Horde so badly they never mounted a serious threat to the Russian states ever again So what you're basically saying is that you have a great military history because, even though you were conquered for centuries, you eventually got your independence. Real impressive. Not to mention WWI, the Crimean War, the Polish-Soviet War, and every war Russia fought against Napoleon pre-1812.
Jordan Butler
Not him but that's bullshit. Democracy doesn't bring wealth and plenty, technology does (see just about any illiberal, wealthy state). And Yeltsin-era Russia was a tragic farce. Russians have every reason to despise the West for what western libtards forced on them in the 1990s.
Saying that democracy is the reasons Russians aren't standing in bread lines is equivalent to saying tranny rights are responsible for the Mars Rover.
Nicholas Richardson
dont forget the 3 baltic independence wars and Afghanistan
Kayden Price
They were beaten in WW1 as well
Adam Reyes
Why does overthrowing the Golden Horde count but getting conquered by the Golden Horde doesn't? And why is the conquest of North and Central Asia listed as a big accomplishment? May as well claim the Indian Wars as a great accomplishment for the USA. Also:
>BTFO'd the Turks on virtually every single occasion or the Swedecucks weren't attacking them
In half of those wars the Turks were being attacked by someone else too. In 1735-1739 the Russians ganged up on them with Austria and lost anyway. Why does winning with allies count for Russia but not for Turkey?
Leo Price
Prussia
Connor Thompson
>Napoleon tries to conquer the whole world >le Russians won't do shit meme >BTFO'ed by Russians
>Hitler tries to conquer the whole world >le Russians won't do shit meme >BTFO'ed by Russians
Colton Young
You do know the pic is talking about imperial russia , right?
Joseph Ortiz
They got routed so hard early in WW1 that one of the Russian generals killed himself
Charles Brown
>Russian military history is goddamn impressive, you have to admit. No country that unironically loses to Poland in the 20th century is impressive, and anyone can burn their own house down and throw bodies at a problem to make it go away.
Dominic Diaz
>Gets BTFO'd by initially armed Baltics and later singing Baltics >has to pay in gold to a country of 1.3 million for them to accept peace
Lmaoing at your life
Kevin Baker
>came here to avoid racism >came to the infamous tibetan yak milking forum which possesses a political discussion board notorious for its racist viewpoints >so notorious that it's a byword for hypernationalistic militarism >every single day participants in discussions on said board propose ethnic and racial cleansing >a board which also is famous for permeating all other boards at almost all times to spout off its ideology
>claims to come from Veeky Forums >one of the most liberal boards >to 'AVOID racism' >came to a /pol/ colony
I get the feeling you're not from Veeky Forums or even from this website
David Richardson
Russian military strength is a meme dude. The story of their military victories is mostly one of getting the shit beat out of them initially and then getting it together to eventually win or get into a stalemate. Most of your greentext is incorrect.
>polish-lithuanian wars are long, drawn out and messy. usually end in stalemate. not BTFO at all, both got good punches in >the golden horde and the khans made the russian princes their literal bitches for centuries probably the reason why russia was so developmentally behind the rest of europe for a long time. >kazan was probably ivan the terrible's only real military victory. he failed at almost every other war he fought, to the point of begging england for help >the russians didn't "chase the asiatics to the pacific" they slowly conquered and explored the continent and assimilated the peoples there into russian culture. it took them about 200 years
Peter the Great got the Russian military up to European standards of the time, but you have to remember that 75 years later it was again in pretty disastrous shape. I think they had something like one rifle factory in the whole country. When Russia went up against a modern European army in the 19th century, they got tuned up yet again. They only got to be able to defeat Napoleon by quickly modernizing their army, tapping into the immense resources of the country, and hiring professional military strategists from Germany and England.
Russia's performance in the First World War was embarrassing for a major power. It's astounding how backwards yet again Russia was. The Second World War was almost the same story until Russia again tapped into its massive resources.
