Greece:

Have you won in life with your blessed genes?

What about the sea people?

What about them?

The sea people?

Yeah, what about them?

They're at the end of the Med and once Rome had them Spain was just an agricultural backwater.

this, Empires are stagnant.

Spain was the first global superpower. They've contributed culturally like any other nation in Europe though.

Better than most, I'd say.

Many Romans of importance were from Hispania.

>Why didn't Spain/Portugal contribute anything to the world in their early history despite their similar climate?
Lack of population and not close enough to the cultural/civilisation centers of the ancient world which were all concentraed in the eastern mediterrain.

>(You)

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Are you retarded? Portugal discovered the route from Europe to India alongside the african coast and Spain produced some of the best works of writing of all time.

I think it has alot to do with the fact that Greece and Italy were closer to the first civilizations of Mesopotamia and Egypt

>early history
Learn to read retards

>the first civilizations of Mesopotamia and Egypt

WE

>It's all about genetics, and the Greeks pretty much hit the jackpot with theirs

The "Greeks" as you call them only developed into the great civilization of antiquity after the Indo migrations from the east. Native Greeks were sub-saharan Africa tier just hanging out on mountains and getting stoned.

Climate has nothing to do with it, both Greece and Rome where the hubs and centers of trade, whereas Spain and Portugal were on the brinks. Once technology made possible that Iberian peninsula could be a trade hub, the power shifted there.

The Dutch were the first global superpower.

They began contributing more once they were civilized again by the Moors.

They lack the master race West Asian genes from the Copper Age.

Nigga we invented tha muthauckin gladius hispaniensis
U be sayin we dindu shiet but we wuz celts n iberinas n shiet

Good god /pol/ you can't even get your own memes right.

sauce or elaboration? are you talking about dorian invasion? id like to learn

Spain was the birthplace of despotism and incompetence

He's talking out of his ass. Greece had the Minoan civilization before the steppe niggers invaded. The Mynaceans learned everything from them. Same thing for Italy, they had the Nuragics and Etruscans.

The Portuguese were the first global superpower.

>Spain
>Not ancient Egypt

Camoes is Portuguese Homer as well

>similar climate
You know, Greece is mostly Csa and Italy is divided between Csa and Cfa.
Portugal on the other hand is Csa in the south and Csb in the north. Spain is split between Cfb and BSk, with Cfb in the north.
They're really not that close climate wise.

Atlantis was in Spain.

atlantis was probably sardinia

>sardinia
No such thing

>Atlanteans turned into sardines
IT FITS

Italy basically ripped everything off of Greece

Distance from major centres of trade and ideas

Atlantis was in the atlantic ocean. It had elephants and the city was planned in a circular style.

>Spain gave the world Cervantes
Ah yes, the Soul Edge wielding pirate.

>Why didn't Spain/Portugal contribute anything to the world in their early history despite their similar climate?

Kabbalah, goy

Many great Roman statesmen/philosophers came from Hispania, like Seneca the Elder. Even before that the Barcid dynasty was from the peninsula. What period are you referring to when you say 'early history'?

>The netherlands being part of the Spanish empire in 1640

You're not even trying

>Coastugal

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Not that 'early', but we can thank Spain for the shape of the modern state, loosely. Ferdinand 2 and Isabella united the monarchy, centralised government, and spread a highly competent bureaucracy all across the country, arguably better than anywhere else in Europe at the time. They grabbed good taxes and mustered a standing army

kek

>using modern country names rather than Roman names
Iberia achieved little because by the time they were conquered there was not enough urbanisation to create city states. IIRC you only had stone buildings when they had built directly into the rock, not mining it and then binding it together like the Greeks did

>he doesn't know what the Spanish and Austrian Netherlands are
Wobblychin.jpg

He means classical Greece and Ancient Rome, so pre fall of the Empire, when the Iberians were still celts

Portugal had the first colonial empire, but the conquest of the Aztec empire made them temporarily the only super power
Then Charles V (Carlos I) empire was a world power, shame he broke it up

*conquest of the Aztec empire made Spain temporarily the only super power

>why didn't Portugal, a nation without access to the Mediterranean and direct trade therein from, and Spain, a nation where a majority of it's landmass has no connection to the Mediterranean, contribute alongside these Mediterranean countries early history?

ikibey?

Lel what? Iberia was heavily urbanised and brick and stone buildings were everywhere, heck, they build near everything with rocks, they were in constant warfare with themselves and the Celt-iberians too. There was an ancient trade with Phoenicians, North Africa, Gaul and Britain too, they specially deal with Casitherite or the tin ore than was specially important in ancient times. They only interactuated with some Greeks colonies in Rhodes or as mercenaries. Also they had different alphabeths (and we have writings in them, but we can't translate the iberian languages), and the Tartessian or they cultural descendants, the Turdetanians were quite wealthy.

What's more peculiar is how every village or town/little city was very fortified (like holy shit it's a bit exagerated), even with moats and sevel meters high stone walls and there are less than thirty houses). They were built in strategic or easy to fortify places. Also lots of Spanish cities of today are build over ancient Roman ruins, than were iberian towns before that.

Even the shittiest village of hill billies had a wall with towers. If there were ones without they didn't last very long it seems.

About the Population of cities, they could be very big, but not as big as the great metropolis of the mediterranean. The Iberians were a very fragmented people than had wars even with they own tribes (sagunto for example had lots of problems with the Rest of Edetani related to Iron tarifs if I recall well).

If any of you is interested, here a cross section of a wall.

Another one just for kicks.

Another thing I can say is than they were in those times shitty painters. It seems the artist got high in shrooms before painting or something.

Normally they painted tipical floral, geometrical forms and the like, but other times they decide to paint animals.

They loved wolfs btw.

They were relationed with the dead and the gods.

I specially like thise one. Probably a mercenary than fought in Africa and painted things he had seen in there when he retired and got a comfy artisan job with his earnings.

Birds were another big animal in the art. Some times they painted mythological beings too.

Angel like beigns are specially common.

The Celt-Iberians of the interior tough, sucked even more at that, specially at humans.

Some weird animals/Mythological beings from the interior. I bet the only well paid artisans were the weapon makers and the statuet makers.

Those things were plentiful, probably charms or sacrifices for the gods. You can apreciate the fertility ones in the background. Also it seems the ideal of beauty for young iberians was to be slender with wide backs and a thin waist, fatties were uknown or totally reviled because you can't find any.

Some bronze animals too.

But where the ancient Hispanics splashed they money were in weapons. Even the most backwards and uncultured savages of the north would use beautifull weapons, decorated with gold, silver or copper filigree.

The iberians destroyed they weapons when they entombed they dead, twisting, burning... Even then you can apreciate even after a few milleniums than they were made with care.

Even in the most rusted piece really, they loved they weapons.

Because during Ancient Greek and Roman times, Spain and Portugal were filled with barbaric Celts and Phoenicians

There were a lot of different swords/poignards in the Iberian paeninsula, from very small and wide to long and slender.

>Greece:
>Birthplace of democracy and philosophy
Can this joke stop? Democracy and philosophy was not born in Greece. They just wrote their shit down and we got lucky enough that the Romans made us their cultural Waifus , didn't destroyed us completely and helped making sure that all the texts were copied over and over again and we have some of them today.I say these things but I still respect what the Hellenes did and find it fascinating.
TL:DR
Greece is not the birthplace of democracy and philosophy , and that being said by a Greek pleb.
P.S Check em

Cordoba

Just i wanna know why english people are so retarded in history.

Greeks were nothing special
Hellenism only spread because some barbarian roughly related to Greeks conquered Persia

To be fair, Minoans and Myceans were HUGELY influenced by the "Orient".

...What indomigrations user?I have only heard of the Dorians and they got GREEK'D pretty fast
Too bad we don't GREEK anyone anymore.Could be fun.

Were there other examples of functioning/implemented democracy outside of Greece?
Also nice dubs