Ancient Macedonians

>The Makedonians were Hellenised barbarians, but Phillip and his royal line (the Argeads) was 100% Greek.

Is there any proof to their claim though? Every royal ever tried to claim descent from somewhere else, to distance himself from the populace, especially if that somewhere else was Greece. They also claimed descent from Zeus through Heracles. And wasn't that claim pretty much just them trying to compete in the Olympics.

>spoke Greek
>worshipped the Greek pantheon
>participated in the Olympics
>not Greek

How many levels of retard are you on?

it's like how napoleon isn't really French or descended from French blood but since he spearheaded the French cause he's a French historical figure. Alexander was a Greek LARPer from an upstart barbar nation whose father adopted and then improved on their system, and when Alex conquered he spread great culture, and so he is considered a Greek historical figure.

Ancestry is fucking pointless and only retards on Veeky Forums talk about it. The society makes the man and it doesn't matter where he's from as long as he does something great for that society.

>>spoke Greek

They spoke Macedonian, later on they switched to Koine Greek. Im pretty sure there is an instance when Alexander asks one of his troops whether he wants to speak in Greek or Macedonian.

>>worshipped the Greek pantheon

So did a lot of people, the Thracians for instance, people accepted foreign gods into their own pantheon constantly, nobody doubts they were hellenized.

>>participated in the Olympics

>In Homer, the term Argead was used as a collective designation for the Greeks ("Ἀργείων Δαναῶν", Argive Danaans).[40][214] Herodotus provides the mythical story about the Greek roots of the Argead royal house and with the list of the seven earliest Macedonian kings (8.137–138), which is our essential guideline in any attempt to reconstruct early Macedonian history.[215] The earliest version of the Temenid foundation myth was circulated by Alexander I via Herodotus during his apparent appearance at the Olympic Games.[216] Despite protests from some competitors, the Hellanodikai ("Judges of the Greeks") accepted Alexander's Greek genealogy, as did Herodotus and later Thucydides. In accepting his Greek credentials, the judges were either moved by the evidence or did so out of political considerations—as a reward for services to Hellas. The historicity of Alexander I's participation in the Olympics has been doubted by some scholars, who see the story as a piece of propaganda engineered by the Argeads and spread by Herodotus. Alexander's name does not appear in any list of Olympic victors.[217] That there were protests from other competitors suggests that the supposed Argive genealogy of the Argeads "was far from mainstream knowledge".[218] According to some, the appellation "Philhellene" was "surely not an appellation that could be given to an actual Greek"

They literally had to prove their Greekness, and they did it through claiming Argead descent, which is disputed, as you can see most people protested against it.

They cloaim descent from a prince of Argos, and their dynasty name is literally "The Argos People". There's no such thing as "proof" in history, but there's little reason to doubt this claim. Certainly the Greeks themselves accepted it, since when Alexander I went to take part in the Olympics, some tried to have him barred on the grounds that he was a Makedonian and not a Greek. However, the authorities inspected his claim of lineage (how, we aren't told) and concurred that the Argeads are Greek, and allowed him to compete.

Did you even read my post? I didn't even deny the Hellenism of the dynasty, i was talking about the Macedonians as a people, and there is much reason to doubt his claim, all you did was repeat what i posted only claiming its all true, yet you are contradicting yourself by acknowledging that the Greeks tried to ban him. And if you read my post you would see that his name isn't actually found on any Olympic list.

>I didn't even deny the Hellenism of the dynasty, i was talking about the Macedonians as a people,

Then you're wasting everyone's time since literally no-one thinks they were anything but hellenised barbarians.

>And if you read my post you would see that his name isn't actually found on any Olympic list.

Apparently I read it better than you did, you literal moron. Go fuck yourself, and while you're doing that, consider that not being on a list of WINNERS does not mean you didn't compete.

Modern Macedonians (from Macedonia in Greece, not FYROM) aren't Greeks either. They pull closer to Balkanoids. Real Greeks pull closer to Sicilians and Southern Italians. "Greek" sample in pic related is from Macedonia.

Peloponnese have completely different genetics.

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>Greeks today
Opinion discarded

Why does POM look like such a pedo?

>Philohellene
that was because he was the Satrap of Macedonia at the time, and subjected to Persia. The Persians have inscriptions at Persepolis and Behinustun that mention two "Yaunã"s (literally: 'Ionians', or Greeks): "those that dwell by the sea" (Greek Ionians in Asia Minor) and those across it (the satrap province of Macedonia and Chalcidice". Although Chalcidice had Ionian colonies in it too, it still was in a power struggle before and after Persian annexation with the Macedonian Kingdom. More importantly, they called the "Yaunã" across the sea in one of the inscriptions "Yaunã Takabar" which translates into "Greeks with the shield-like hats", which in OP's pic, is likely referring to the Kausia that was notably worn by Macedonians and was of Macedonian origin. Is it just a confusion on the Persian's part? Maybe. But they differentiated both "Yaunã"s with Thracians, who they called "Skudra".
The 'Philohellen" comes from Alexander I and his father Amnytas, who worked with the crown as satraps, and who were double agents to Xerxes and helped the rest of the Greeks push them back. Herodotus also says that Alexander made this speech to some Persian nobles that pissed him off by molesting some of the court women that he devised a plot to assassinate them and called himself Greek

"Be aware that in so doing we are giving you all the honor that you deserve, and tell your king who sent you how his Greek viceroy of Macedonia has received you hospitably, providing food and bedfellows.” -Hdt. 5.20

Those that stress that Herodotus only meant that their royal family was Greek fail to see that Thucydides at 2.99 of his histories, who he says that the Temenidae traveled Macedonia and exiled the native tribes in lower Macedonia, but doesn't iterate if they had a group of Greeks with them, but it's implied, as just three brothers couldn't have realistically created a kingdom and pushed back existing tribes.

They weren't Greeks, ethnically or racially

Keep in mind that Alexander was half Epirote

>They spoke Macedonian, later on they switched to Koine Greek.

Macedonian was just a dialect of Greek, like Attic, according to most linguists. Likewise, Koine Greek only arose during Alexander's time due to all the different kinds of Greeks meeting each other.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Macedonian_language#Classification

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koine_Greek#Origins_and_history

>So did a lot of people, the Thracians for instance

The Thracians had their own deities as well. The Thracians were not as theologically similar to other Greeks as the Macedonians were.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleo-Balkan_mythology

That question has been debated by historians from various angles to death though. See some of the following as a start:

Anson - Eumenes of Cardia
Hall - Contested Ethnicites: Perceptions of Macedonia within Evolving Definitions of Greek Identity
Badian - Greeks and Macedonians
Borza - Greeks and Macedonias in the Age of Alexander
Asirvatham - Perspectives on the Macedonians from Greece, Rome and Beyond
Hatzopoulos - Perception of the self and the other: The case of Macedon

These rely more on the subjective aspects than the objective ones (language, religion etc.).

>ethnically or racially

This is the level of Veeky Forums we're talking about. I regret giving a serious answer with bibliography when half-baked nonsense would do.