How do we defeat the evils of collectivism

>Ayn Rand is just an anti-communist Marxist.
This.

collectivism is good
indivudualism is cancer
learn history
if you are american you are part of the problem

>collectivism is good
>indivudualism is cancer
>learn history

LOL fuck off, you guys must really have read some crazy books to come to this conclusion. Everywhere I look I see the majority of the worlds problems originating from collectivism, collectivist policies, collectivists mentalities & collectivists ideologies.

> not holding individual freedom as the highest moral political value

I don't get it, makes no sense. Maybe main stream history agrees with you but real history certainly doesn't. If they do maybe there's something seriously wrong with the indoctrination historians receive for them to continuously be collectivist & authoritarian cucks.

ancaps BTFO

>Everywhere I look I see the majority of the worlds problems originating from collectivism, collectivist policies, collectivists mentalities & collectivists ideologies.
Like where? And if you say some fat dictator seizing everything for himself is collectivism I'm going to punch you.

Nah fuck off some more, doesn't matter if some mad gangster gets power in a country because they haven't gotten power based on individualist rhetoric or ideologies, you might be reading into it too much the words individual & collective but how could you ignore the collectivist rhetoric they use, the collectivist policies they implement & the collectivist mentalities of the societies that justify it? No one said collectivism was any good at achieving it's goals just because people that proposed it ended up consolidating & centralizing power in the hands of the few that doesn't magically turn it into some Objectivist style reality, how could it?

Maybe the meaning of words has been lost:

Collectivism
> the practice or principle of giving a group priority over each individual in it

Individualism
> a social theory favouring freedom of action for individuals over collective or state control.

Policy
> a course or principle of action adopted or proposed by an organization or individual.

Mentality
> the characteristic way of thinking of a person or group.

Ideology
> a system of ideas and ideals, especially one which forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy.

Looks pretty fucking clear to me mate.

>reddit spacing
opinion discarded

I've been spacing like that since the Ron Paul revolution, go fuck yourself & your commie mates.

>didn't answer my question
Lel. It's because you can't. Any example of "collectism gone wrong" you have is in reality an example of hyperindividualism.

Hard to answer a rhetorical question you answered yourself.

> And if you say some fat dictator seizing everything for himself is collectivism I'm going to punch you

Can't move a discussion without addressing the elephant you brought into the room.

Marxism is individualist then.

because you are an imbecile uneducated american who thinks collectivism is either socialism or fascism

your shitty "nation" emerged from a form of collectivism

Actually pretty fucking clever.

I don't like her, but I doubt old Ayn would have gotten trapped like that.

> collectivism is either socialism or fascism

Is it not? Is Democracy not collectivist as well? After all these ideologies place groups (specifically in groups/out groups) as priority over individuals, they use collectivist rhetoric, collectivist policy & they're born out of a collectivist mentality of the greater good & group welfare. I don't see how you could say that.

I'd really like to know how you equate an individual holding a position of power as hyper individualism in collectivist systems. That logic seems to me to lead to the conclusion that collectivism does not & cannot exist as individuals will always hold positions of power in various ways.

I don't like her unconscious attempt at responding to Nietzsche.

John Galt isn't the Superman.

How the hell is it unconscious? She majored in philosophy, and loved Nietzsche until she realised that his philosophy justified violence. Now, while Ayn was all for free competition, she didn't like competition in which she would lose, so obviously competing in violence was out of the question. As a result the rest of her philosophical career was basically an attempt to justify condemning physical aggression within Nietzschean ethics.

This was a great response to Op and he will forever will be rekd.

But in defense of individualism to this response I would say that the fact that we are asking for the permisssion of the collective to do anything just shows how entrenched we are to collectivism. It's the reason why nothing ever gets done because we naturally think "oh there will be other people to do it" and hence everyone still stays on their ass. So collectivism is useless without individuals to start the movement of the group at large.

Please explain in what possible world a butthurt Anarcho-Capitalist twat can be described as marxist.

The dichotomy and conflict between individualism vs. collectivism is an illusion. If you sacrifice yourself for the greater good, you sacrifice yourself for the good of other individuals. You cannot be ruled by society. There is no community or collective that is separate from individuals because it is made out of individuals.

>Cry and bitch about taxpayers who benefit from the system they put money into
>B-But it's okay when Rand becomes a welfare queen and uses the same system she attacks

lmfao