Best Last Stand Battle General

>The Imperial Japanese Army positions on the island were heavily fortified, with a dense network of bunkers, hidden artillery positions, and 18 km (11 mi) of underground tunnels.[8][9] The American ground forces were supported by extensive naval artillery, and had complete air supremacy provided by U.S. Navy and Marine Corps aviators throughout the entire battle.[10]
>Japanese combat deaths numbered three times the number of American deaths, although uniquely among Pacific War Marine battles, American total casualties (dead and wounded) exceeded those of the Japanese.[11] Of the 21,000 Japanese soldiers on Iwo Jima at the beginning of the battle, only 216 were taken prisoner, some of whom were captured because they had been knocked unconscious or otherwise disabled.[1] The majority of the remainder were killed in action, although it has been estimated that as many as 3,000 continued to resist within the various cave systems for many days afterwards, eventually succumbing to their injuries or surrendering weeks later.[1][12]
>Despite the bloody fighting and severe casualties on both sides, the Japanese defeat was assured from the start. Overwhelming American superiority in arms and numbers as well as almost complete control of air power—coupled with the impossibility of Japanese retreat or reinforcement, along with sparse food and supplies—permitted no plausible circumstance in which the Americans could have lost the battle
>The Japamerican citizens fighting for America were also the most decorated soldiers in US history for their performance in war

Excluding equipment, resources and physical abilities, what soldiers have had a fighting spirit even close to wartime Japanese? Only one that comes close is the Spartans I think.

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The Knights Hospitaler in the 1565 Great Siege of Malta.

They endured almost four months of artillery bombardment and were ultimately victorious despite being outnumbered six-to-one by the Ottomans.

Japanese in WW2 are overrated.

Great. The kd kiddies are back.

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>The Japamerican citizens fighting for America were also the most decorated soldiers in US history for their performance in war
Audie Murphy, the most decorated soldier in WW2 was not Japanese. Neither was the second most decorated soldier, Garlin Connner.

>Fighting Ottomans
>not fighting the most advanced and well armed military force humanity had ever seen with 0 hope for victory and nowhere to retreat to
Still an honorable mention

Trying to overcome machine guns with bayonets and low ammo bolt actions is pretty courageous

Europeans all over Europe just chose to surrender when facing those orders aka cuck spirit/10

>The 442nd Regiment was the most decorated unit for its size in the history of American warfare.[3] The 4,000 men who initially made up the unit in April 1943 had to be replaced nearly 2.5 times. In total, about 14,000 men served, earning 9,486 Purple Hearts. The unit was awarded eight Presidential Unit Citations (five earned in one month).[4]:201 Twenty-one of its members were awarded Medals of Honor.[2]

Their unit, not some random dude

142nd I think

What would happen if America armed and trained Japanese super soldiers?

Obligatory

>Constantine died the day the city fell, 29 May 1453. According to Michael Critobulus (writing later in Mehmed's service) he remarked, "The city is fallen and I am still alive."[28] Then he tore off his imperial ornaments so as to let nothing distinguish him from any other soldier and led his remaining soldiers into a last charge where he was killed.[29]

He restored the nobility of the ancient Roman Empire.

>Ottomans in mid 16th century
>not fighting the most advanced and well armed military force humanity had yet seen

Not even a Ottoman fan but they did have the most advanced army in the world for around a 120 years. They just fell off hard in the 1570s after running out of money, will to try to conquer, and creditors to scam.

The ancient Roman Empire never had any nobility. Maybe the Republic once did, but that's doubtful too. The Romans were practical, bureaucratic people. Good managers and soldiers but for the most part not prone to nobility.

It's easy to fight to the last when you have nowhere to go anyway.

>*honestiores / humiliores - during the Empire, the populace was divided broadly into two classes. The honestiores were persons of status and property, the humiliores persons of low social status. Only the latter were subject to certain kinds of punishment (crucifixion, torture, and corporal punishment).

wow how noble of the nobles to exempt themselves from their own terrors

Mexican American War - Battle of Churubusco
>As an infantry unit, the San Patricios continued to serve with distinction. Knowing that they were likely to face the death penalty if captured, the San Patricios are known to have threatened wavering Mexican troops with death by "friendly fire" at the Battle of Cerro Gordo if they retreated. When the San Patricios were too heavily-engaged to carry out their threat, the Mexican troops broke and ran, leaving the San Patricios as they fought U.S. troops in hand-to-hand combat.

>Though hopelessly outnumbered and under-equipped, the defenders repelled the attacking U.S. forces with heavy losses until their ammunition ran out and a Mexican officer raised the white flag of surrender. Officer Patrick Dalton of the San Patricios tore the white flag down, prompting Gen. Pedro Anaya to order his men to fight on, with their bare hands if necessary.[7] American Private Ballentine reported that when the Mexicans attempted to raise the white flag two more times, members of the San Patricios shot and killed them.[54][56] After brutal close-quarters fighting with bayonets and sabers through the halls and rooms inside the convent, U.S. Army Captain James M. Smith suggested a surrender after raising his white handkerchief.

Camarón.

Siege of Castelnuovo

>Japenis
Lmao do you even eat your civilian populace?

>Best Last Stand Battle
The defence of Port Arthur by the Russian Imperial army

>Russian improvements to the defences of Port Arthur included a multi-perimeter layout with overlapping fields of fire and making the best possible use of the natural terrain. However, many of the fortifications were still unfinished

>The Russian forces manning the defenses of Port Arthur under Major-General Baron Anatoly Stoessel consisted of almost 50,000 men and 506 guns

>The shelling of Port Arthur began on August 7, 1904, by a pair of land-based 4.7-inch (120 mm) guns, and was carried on intermittently until August 19, 1904.

>After pounding the two hills from 04:30 in the morning until 19:30 at night, General Nogi launched a frontal infantry assault, which was hampered by heavy rain, poor visibility and dense clouds of smoke. The Japanese were able to advance only as far as the forward slopes of both hills, and many soldiers drowned in the Ta River. Even night attacks resulted in unexpectedly high casualties, as the Russians used powerful searchlights to expose the attackers to artillery and machine gun cross-fire.

>Undeterred, Nogi resumed artillery bombardment the following day, August 8, 1904, but his assault stalled again, this time due to heavy fire from the Russian fleet led by the cruiser Novik

>Nogi ordered his men to press on regardless of casualties.

>Russian troops held on tenaciously, and the Japanese finally managed to overrun the Russian positions mostly through sheer superiority in numbers. Takushan was captured at 20:00, and the following morning, August 9, 1904, Hsiaokushan also fell to the Japanese.

>Gaining these two hills cost the Japanese 1,280 killed and wounded

>After sending a message to the garrison of Port Arthur demanding surrender (which was immediately refused), the Japanese began their assault at dawn on August 19, 1904

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cont.

>>The main thrust was directed at 174 Meter Hill, with flanking and diversionary attacks along the line from Fort Sung-shu to the Chi-Kuan Battery. The Russian defensive positions on 174 Meter Hill itself were held by the 5th and 13th East Siberian Regiments, reinforced by sailors, under the command of Colonel Tretyakov, a veteran of the Battle of Nanshan.

>Just as he had done at the Battle of Nanshan, Tretyakov, although having his first line of trenches overrun, tenaciously refused to retreat and held control of 174 Meter Hill despite severe and mounting casualties. On the following day, August 20, 1904, Tretyakov asked for reinforcements but, just as at Nanshan, none was forthcoming. With more than half of his men killed or wounded and with his command disintegrating as small groups of men fell back in confusion, Tretyakov had no choice but to withdraw, and 174 Meter Hill was thus overrun by the Japanese. The assault on 174 Meter Hill alone had cost the Japanese some 1,800 killed and wounded and the Russians over 1,000

>hen Nogi finally called off his attempt to penetrate the Wantai Ravine on August 24, 1904, he had only 174 Meter Hill and the West and East Pan-lung to show for his loss of 16,000 men

Nogi pretty much stopped trying to assault the city and chose to besiege it. Howitzers like pic related were used to destroy fortifications from afar. Hisother attempts resulted in the deaths of thousands of men.

>Nogi attempted yet another mass "human wave" assault on 203 Meter Hill on October 29, 1904, which, if successful, was intended to be a present for the Meiji Emperor's birthday. However, aside from seizing some minor fortifications, the attack failed after six days of hand-to-hand combat, leaving Nogi with the deaths of an additional 124 officers and 3611 soldiers to report to his Emperor instead of a victory

The next big goal was the 203 meter hill since it could be used to shell russian ship that are in the harbor of Port Arthur
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cont.
Pic related is the hill itself
>ogi directed the first infantry assault against the hill on September 20, but found its fortifications impenetrable to Japanese artillery and was forced to retreat by September 22 with over 2500 casualties

>After arduous sapping work and an artillery assault with the new Krupp 11-inch siege guns, mines were exploded underneath some of the Russian fortifications on the main defense perimeter from November 17–24, with a general assault planned for the night of November 26. Coincidentally, this was the same day that the Russian Baltic Fleet was entering the Indian Ocean.

>he assault contained a forlorn hope attack by 2600 men (including 1200 from the newly arrived IJA 7th Division) led by General Nakamura Satoru, but the attack failed, with direct frontal assaults on both Fort Erhlung and Fort Sungshu once again beaten back by the Russian defenders. Japanese casualties were officially 4,000 men, but unofficially perhaps twice as high. Russian General Roman Kondratenko took the precaution of stationing snipers to shoot any of his front line troops attempting to abandon their positions.

During the next few days the japanese kept pushing and started to slowly gain a foothold

But will the Russians hold the hill?

cont.

>The battle continued throughout the following days with very heavy hand-to-hand combat with control of the summitt changing hands several times. Finally, at 10:30 on December 5, following another massive artillery bombardment during which Russian Colonel Tretyakov was severely wounded, the Japanese managed to overrun 203 Meter Hill, finding only a handful of defenders still alive on the summit. The Russians launched two counter-attacks to retake the hill, both of which failed, and by 17:00, 203 Meter Hill was securely under Japanese control.

>For Japan, the cost of capturing this landmark was great, with over 8,000 dead and wounded in the final assault alone, including most of the IJA 7th Division. For Nogi, the cost of capturing 203 Meter Hill was made even more poignant when he received word that his last surviving son had been killed in action during the final assault on the hill. The Russians, who had no more than 1,500 men on the hill at any one time, lost over 6,000 killed and wounded

Tell them about this battle the next time someone tries to convince you that Russians' only military tactic is the human wave,

The Russian fleet was destroyed because of constant shelling from hill 203 But one battleship - Sevastopol - still managed to destroyed some japanese ships and one Japanese crusier was lost beacuse of a Russian mine.
Afterwards, the Japanese took some of the remainig fortifications.
Port Arthur surrendered on the 5th of may, 1905.

The total amount of men lost by the Russians is around 31 thousands but 23.000 of those were captured after the fort had surrendered. Only 6.000 were killed and the rest were wounded. Meanwhile, the Japanese at the very least around 60000 men and 14000 of the were dead.

The battle of Port Arthur was a display of heroism and boldness both by the outnumbered Russians who held on to every meter of their land and by the Japanese who rushed into machinegun fire without hestitating.

>tang
>be tangy and delicious

Remember the Churubusco

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Masada

>2/3 casualty ratio is a good thing
Mother fucker

>Every single defender died
Holy shit

>what is expendable soldiers

What are expendable soldiers? How do decide which soldiers can be "expended"

The regiment pretty much volunteered for all the most dangerous shit because they wanted to prove their loyalty and no one else gave a shit about them because they were filthy Japs.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Saragarhi

more like thermapo-GAY

21 (100%)

>Gurmukh Singh, who communicated the battle with Col. Haughton, was the last Sikh defender. He is stated to have killed 20 Afghans, the Pashtuns having to set fire to the post to kill him. As he was dying he was said to have yelled repeatedly the Sikh battle-cry "Bole So Nihal, Sat Sri Akal" (Shout Aloud in Ecstasy! True is the Great Timeless One). "Akal," meaning Immortal, beyond death, the Supreme Creator God unbound by time and non-temporal.

Damn...

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I don't question their courage, but what the fuck is the point of fighting a battle you know you can't possibly win? "Dying for your country" is such a stupid meme. Their deaths didn't benefit anyone.

Battle of Bois de Caures

Would follow to the end/10

Well similar things happened quite often when Chinese fought against Japanese in WW2, only the positions and outcomes were reversed, which is one of the reasons why the war can last over 8 years and suffer such heavy causalities.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Hengyang

I just don't think it compares to the post WW2 American Superpower in that even German engineering and unbreakable Japanese spirit couldn't compete with full scale industrial warfare perfected

Both sides admitted that America was undefeatable both because it could never be conquered but also never be outproduced. It doesn't matter how many of the enemy you kill when they are able to build advanced weaponry faster than it can physically be destroyed. Also nukes n shit.

The most unbreakable Germans surrendered at over 50% rates and most other far less devoted soldiers surrender as soon as the tide of battle turns against them

And that's why Mexico exists today

Prove you are willing to die for your people and then you deserve a nation to rule

And the Japanese would break and run, or surrender en mass, in more mobile land combat. Look up the Soviet invasion of Manchuria, and you don't see the Japs fighting to the last man and bullet.

>fought so hard even his last son died in the battle
Goddamnit the manly tears. The world needs more leaders that invest literally everything they have in the things they make others do.

Epic battle for both sides/10

This is how you end racism

Prove to white people that you are not bad people and be allowed your own amazingly prosperous nation to live in and do what you want forever even after getting nuked and put in concentration camps less than 80 years ago.

Don't complain about people hating you because of stereotypes, CHANGE THE STEREOTYPES

If it wasn't weeb tier degeneracy like it is right now, I would actually love to live with japanese people. Can't say the same about most blacks n browns despite the exception

If you aren't willing to die for anything, you essentially live for nothing but avoiding death and seeking dopamine.

A man truly becomes alive when he finds that which he is willing to die for.

War was over by then and they were ordered not to fight to the death

Iwo Jima and Okinawa were different. They were messages to the Americans and humanity at large that were designed to prove how far the Japanese people were willing to go to ensure their existence/survival in the long run.

Victorious(if you could call them that after what they had to go through) Americans told the horror stories of those unbelievably brutal and deadly battles which made the will to conquer start to break.

Having to shoot little kids that pick up weapons for their people and refuse to surrender really makes one question if they are the good guys or not.

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It seems far more likely that The obvious answer is the correct one. People who have a way out will flee in the face of overwhelming odds. People with nowhere to go fight it out.

>If you aren't willing to die for anything, you essentially live for nothing but avoiding death and seeking dopamine.
>A man truly becomes alive when he finds that which he is willing to die for.

So why are you still alive?

>then the one hundred eighty nine
>in the service of heaven
>they're protecting the holy line
>it was fifteen twenty seven

that's a true classic. Anyone that visits israel this is a must see

You missed his point. My life has meaning because of the things that I love like my children. I'd be willing to die for them if the need arose.

More like they were cowards who couldn't deal with the shame of losing.

The worst part is that there's no shame in defeat when your enemy is so much more capable then you. They died for nothing.

It's easy to not surrender when the marines would shoot surrendering soldiers anyway.

How could the japanese lose this many men?

Pavlov's House

For as much of a laughing stock the baltic fleet was, that is some very impressive work coming from the russians.

Good read, thanks user.

>white washing this hard

Dude they were used and abused by the US, because command viewed them as more expendable than white boys from kansas, and they suffered horribly for it. The main reason they are "most decorated" is because of the number of purple hearts earned because kia/wounded were so insanely high.

>Good read, thanks user
NP, mate

>Almost all of the Janissaries and 16,000 from the other Ottoman units were killed in the assault. According to rumor, Turkish losses amounted to 37,000 dead. Of the Spanish troops only 200 survived, most of them wounded.
>One of the prisoners was the Biscayan Captain Machín de Munguía. Barbarossa, upon learning this, offered Munguía freedom and a place in his army. The admiral greatly admired him for his actions in the battle of Preveza, where the Spaniard had successfully defended a sinking Venetian carrack against several Ottoman warships.[30] Munguía refused to accept and was therefore beheaded on the spur of the admiral's galley
>Castelnuovo's defense was sung by numerous contemporaneous poets and praised all over Christian Europe.[9] The Spanish soldiers who participated in the unequal engagement were compared with mythological and classical history heroes, being considered immortal due the magnitude of their feat.

Siege of Castelnuovo

Sometimes running means putting yourself at greater risk. What's the better way to die? Quickly, while covered in the blood of your enemies, or slowly, face-down in a ditch with a bullet in your back?

Ghost in the shell without any cybernetics or the major.

Wow it's like getting your capital sieged as Hinnom

woman detected

>Spartans
When will this meme die ?

>Vasily Chuikov, commanding general of the Soviet forces in Stalingrad, later joked that the Germans lost more men trying to take Pavlov's House than they did taking Paris.
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