India

Was British imperialism in India justified to any degree? And was it as valuable to the British in hindsight?

Maybe if India fought harder they could of defeated the British but ya know,
It was justified as much as any other war/occupation in history

>could of

Anyway OP India was very valuable as a supplier of primary products for British industry

>justified

What does that even mean? The British conquered India and ruled it more or less competently, does that justify it? It's a nonsense question, history is just a bunch of stiff that happened, "justice" is irrelevant.

Better the British than the Mughals

Why do people only talk about whether some event in history was justified if it happened after the discovery of the new world?

>The British conquered India and ruled it more or less competently,

kek, It did bring money though so that can be considered a success.

India itself justified it.

The amount of wealth the Brittish brought to india in order to produce wealth from it was more than the indians ever could have done on their own.

For example. Say, you have a piece of land and there is a small mud hut in it. Someone comes, takes it down, and builds a mansion on top. They use the mansion to make money for themselves through renting, and then after a while they give the land and the mansion back to you.

Does that justify them entering your land and taking down your house? I don think so no. But would you rather keep your mud hut? I also think not.

If the colonies knew how much taxpayer money the colonizers spent making the land of the colonies productive the colonies would bend over backwards to thank them.

>Maybe if India fought harder they could of defeated the British but ya know,
>implying the British didn't just sneak in inside an already weakened sub-continent

>For example. Say, you have a piece of land and there is a small mud hut in it. Someone comes, takes it down, and builds a mansion on top. They use the mansion to make money for themselves through renting, and then after a while they give the land and the mansion back to you.
Mansion? More like a slightly improved version of a mudhouse. We were doing fine by ourselves. The Brit's improved a bit of land for their own needs.

>If the colonies knew how much taxpayer money the colonizers spent making the land of the colonies productive the colonies would bend over backwards to thank them.

>UK: 46% of babies born are from mothers with foreign backgrounds.
>first muzzie mayor
>sharia law upon the streets
Lol. England's reaped what it's sowed.

Was Rome justified to turn Carthage into glass ?

>A single nation was able to defeat an entire sub continent
>BBUH WE WEREN'T READY
Stellar.

But britain literally slowed india's GDP growth down to zero, used it's wealth to enrich itself and then fucked off when they couldn't hold on to it any longer.

The entire railway system was extremely overpriced and was used to systematically loot indian wealth that would be used to enrich stockholders

What's even more embarrassing is that if they had listened to more moderate indians in the congress pre ww1 India would have remained in the dominion for the forseeable future, but they kept repressing them, turning the moderates into complete hardliners. by 1930 any negotiated settlement at home rule or dominion status had evaporated. Starting with the Lahore declaration the INC pushed for mass movements for complete independence.

The US state department during ww2 was even asked to stop distributing allied pamphlets to indian civilians because they were promising liberty from tyrannical regimes.

the british had a long period of defeats and setbacks, their biggest benefit was that the company was relatively independent of political turmoil that would doom indian regimes. The same BEIC also turned over british privateers to Aurangzeb when he threatened to fuck up their factories, allied with the marathas because tipu sultan was fucking their shit up despite being a minor power who lost to fucking travancore.

>travancore.
It's not like the Travancore were bad. They were able to boot out the Dutch from the sub-continent.

>what is context

it's because the dutch were autistic
>loses to a bunch of people armed with melee weapons
>forced to train them to use dakka.
embarrassing.

>The amount of wealth the Brittish brought to india in order to produce wealth from it was more than the indians ever could have done on their own.

Hmmm.

>loses to a bunch of people armed with melee weapons
The people of Kerala's at that time of history had the most powerful armies within India.

Not by numbers, but by the medical and martial tradition. The Dutch couldn't compete with that and they lost. Just because you have a gun doesn't mean you're guaranteed to win.

>Yet another whiny anti-Anglo thread
Fuck this garbage board.

>small tiny ass state
>muh martial ability
come on now, the mughals had pretty good artillery and large numbers of trained musketmen
The marathas had their rohirrim tier cavalry with pistols.
The rajputs were still sword-n-board autists that kept going toe to toe with the mughals.
Travancore was a pretty small, (and rich) state because of all the spice trade and major ports but their armies were not the best. It's just that colonizers would go back to their factories and disarm ASAP when they faced organized resistance. Even Portugal which gets a boner popped on /pol/ because of their naval dominance paid money to the mughals and were generally well behaved because their business would be overturned if they acted up.

>We dindu nuffin, we wuz civilisation and sheeit.
fuck off nigel.

>dat mid 80s raise
Rajiv gandhi was a hero.

>muh northern india was warriors n shieeet but south india only won because of the delicate situation
fuck off chapati

>marathas
>north indian
w e w
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Also the rajputs eventually became mughal and later british vassals, so much for warrior culture.

>Also the rajputs eventually became mughal vassals
You're kind of downplaying it. It's not like most of them could do much. Like for the famous Siege of Chittogarh

>the Rajput men fought till the last man standing even though death was inevitable
>all the Rajput women jump into fire and immolated themselves rather than be a sex slave in a muslim harem
The Mughal's often outnumbered their enemies in the tens of thousands and had superior technology as well as elephants. It's remarkable the Rajputs did as well as they did.

still lost. At the end martial ability is just a meme when wars are decided by numbers. The rajputs were the most successful when they hobbled sultanate supply lines.