Are there examples in history when a society collapsed because it became effeminate, promiscuous, hedonistic ?

Well the Roman Empire was already pretty unstable

It changed I agree but for me it was about just as Roman as before

Read Decline of the West.

Not sure but we can find plenty of bloodthirsty warlike societies that collapsed anyway like the Aztecs and the Nazis.
Oftentimes, accusations that society has become effeminate, promiscuous, or hedonistic is usually just some LARPing faggotry by historically ignorant virgins like Hitler or Cato.

Infancy is thinking the Roman Empire fell because of barbarians

Childhood is believing it fell because of Christianity

Adolescence is thinking it was destroyed by degeneracy

Adulthood is believing that it never actually fell

Enlightenment is realizing the Roman Empire never existed

Moriori

Rome fell because of hyper inflation, barbarian armies attacking, ethnic tensions within the empire, and moral decadence aka effimination of men, promiscuity of woman, and hedonism.

Basically the same way America would have went under Clinton

>Hyper inflation aka Feds raising the rates soon
>Barbarian armies aka islamic niggers committing constant terror attacks in EU and US
>Ethnic tensions aka neo-marxism and post-modernism ironically dividing up and marginalizing people under the guise of uniting them somehow?? Importation of sandniggers, BLM, La Raza
>Moral decadence aka the college meme; the feminists destroying traditional gender roles and whoring around under the guise of liberation but it's actually them not growing out of their rebellious teenage phase and taking it to extremes mixed with daddy issues
>The feminization of men aka weak cucks and beta orbiters

You could add the EU onto that list if you want. It's equally as interesting as it is sad watching something like this decay happen in real time with nothing being done to stop it.

Witnessing history in the making, lads.

Apotheosis is realizing we're living in the Roman Empire right now.

>Ethnic tensions aka neo-marxism

I just don't know why the far right has no traction in academia

>effimination of men, promiscuity of woman, and hedonism.
What the fuck are you even basing this on? Late Rome was incredibly socially conservative. Probably moreso than it had ever been maybe excepting the Pax Augusta.

Yet, Rome was constantly adding new gods since inception.

Logistics killed Rome more than anything.

And then they scrapped them all for some middle eastern one.

might as well have adopted islam

>ethnic tensions within the empire, and moral decadence aka effimination of men, promiscuity of woman, and hedonism.
Dude the last days of the empire were the most machinist ones

Should've adopted Zoroastrianism desu

osmans became turkey...

If EU is going to fall apart, it's because nationalism rising contrary to your thesis.

And still logistics killed Rome, not le religion meme.

The EU is nothing like Rome. It's not a nation, it has no pride, it has no honor.

Song China

Nationalism is more dangerous than opening borders to hordes of fighting age Muslims that don't assimilate and wrecks national culture.

you should be fighting lack of control with control, not desunion and policies that bring back hostiliy

Ethnic tensions are rising in places like the US because of Neo-Marxism. Instead of agitating on apart of the working class it agitates on apart of group identity. This push for equity for racial groups is destroying race relations.

Widespread homosexuality was a thing, like you, faggot. If every guy is fucking each other woman are going to sleep around too because men aren't giving them enough attention. Sorry but rampant degeneracy was absolutely a factor (one of many I have listed) that contributed. Of course it was conservative till the end but that's why it ended - they stopped being conservative about it. Lol.

>Machinist
>They had machines back then
Uhhh, user...

Please don't ever post on this site again.

i meant machismo
auto-correct came in lol

triggered lol

>Widespread homosexuality was a thing, like you, faggot. If every guy is fucking each other woman are going to sleep around too because men aren't giving them enough attention. Sorry but rampant degeneracy was absolutely a factor (one of many I have listed) that contributed. Of course it was conservative till the end but that's why it ended - they stopped being conservative about it. Lol.

Are you a schizo? I mean, why are you making this shit up? Either you don't know anything sbout Rome, but you still choose to lie and guess, or you know something about Rome, which means that you're just lying deliberately?
Do you realize how fucking stupid do you sound?
Your idiocy is almost tragic: no one should have to live with such a flawed mind.

>Ethnic tensions are rising in places like the US because of Neo-Marxism. Instead of agitating on apart of the working class it agitates on apart of group identity. This push for equity for racial groups is destroying race relations.
>despite it having nothing to do with class or Marx's theory I'm going to call it Marxist because it's about unifying a group's interests.

This just in fascism is marxist. nationalism is marxist. capitalism is marxist.

"Degeneracy", as you put it, is a symptom of inequality. Societies collapse when the groups on the bottom has nothing to lose, and suddenly realize they have the numbers to crush the upper class.

Society collapses when the lower class gets greedy, we should support the upper class.

No matter how cucky liberals are the right manages to out do them

>If EU is going to fall apart, it's because nationalism rising contrary to your thesis.

You do understand what's destroying the EU is open borders? It's crippling the country both socially and economically. The open borders let hordes of illiterate, uneducated, murderous literal barbarians walk freely within the country. And because they are so worthless we have to pay all their fucking welfare.

So now you have educated, well adjusted natives leaving at the highest rates we've ever seen to get away from the chaos while year over year over year importation of millions of these people. Then factor in the birthrates because not only is it a cultural thing to have 4 kids each with cousins 1-5, there's an economic incentive because they get more welfare out of it.

Now they don't even assimilate and humiliate the population daily with terror attacks and gang rapes being live streamed on facebook, as well as bleed them dry of all their money. Well people get fucking fed up with that shit after a while.

So your two options boil down to this:

Option 1: Cultural and demographic suicide

Through the continual appeasement of these barbarians as well as natives leaving the country as well as year over year importations as well as birthrates, you are literally killing your country and destroying it's culture and all the values the West represents and replacing it with third world monsters. Not only do you not have programs to integrate them but you simultaneously even encourage them not to integrate.

Option 2: The rise of a new Hitler

This is what we're seeing now. People are continually pushed to the right every fucking day because a lot of people who have some sense of self preservation are trying to stop the invaders and nihilistic, suicidal, self destructive traitors allowing this to happen.

So now you have this aggressive division between the right and the left as well as adding in a third external factor. Divide and Conquer

There are none, user. The meme of "le degeneracy cause the all ox the x or y civilisation" is pretty much a complete myth pedaled by those who currently benefit from the status quo but have begun to lose their grip on society.

So it's actually capitalism and the cucked left has been so defanged its one of its most useful defenders?

Because that's what it is.

>"Degeneracy", as you put it, is a symptom of inequality.
No.

Society collapses when the middle class is destroyed,

How is it capitalism? What use are these people? They have no great wealth or skills or job prospects.

The middle class is a relatively new phenomenon.

The middle class has always existed. In the Hellenic era phalanxes were manned by land-owning free men. They weren't lower classes but not really upper classes either.

Cheap labor.

Wages drop or stagnate, wealth funnels upwards, powerful EU nations exploit the smaller ones and smarmy liberals dismiss all your economic woes and demand you check your privilege and all that shit.

There's also the fact that the manner in which a society produces and distributes its resources represents the fundamental foundation of said society. When it comes to any social or cultural issue always follow the money.

Are you fucking retarded?
The open borders and welfare as well as the continual appeasement of these inbred shitters is being pushed not by capitalism but by THE KEKED LEFT. How the fuck are they defending anything when they are the main drive behind this hellish nightmare? Not to mention the left support politicians WHO ARE DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for creating all these rapefugees in the first place. The same socialist politicians who ironically enough manufactured these crises for profit for the ultra wealthy elite who control them. Typical hypocritical socialist scum. Do as I say not as I do.

So take that into consideration. You blame capitalism while supporting candidates who do it for profit for the wealthy elite you pretend to hate so much. The irony is palatable.

I honestly hope one day you push the right so far that option two happens.

Dues Vult

You'll find the modern bourgeois middle class stems from the Renaissance merchants.

>So take that into consideration. You blame capitalism while supporting candidates who do it for profit for the wealthy elite you pretend to hate so much. The irony is palatable.

Oh, and to add to this;

This is why they also don't give a shit about all the welfare programs and open borders bullshit. They won't have to deal with the consequences.

They just imported millions of voters and solidified their power meanwhile you and I, the citizens, get terror attacks and destroyed, unsustainable economy from your self-destructive policies.

It's power consolidation for them.
Death, welfare, divide and conquer for us.

Well you do have to remember that the modern (or post-modern) left can be stooges for capitalists. Dividing and conquering the working classes allows them unrestricted power that has been kept in check by European nation states. Ethnically divided multicultural society cannot fight back anywhere near as readily. People will be too divided on numerous grounds to see the fundamental economic threat against them.

>>>/Pol/

Sweden

Are you illiterate user.

>The open borders and welfare as well as the continual appeasement of these inbred shitters is being pushed not by capitalism but by THE KEKED LEFT.
Remember the post you were responding to it literally points out the modern left as one of capitalism's most ardent defenders. Again and again they'll oppose the most reformist of socdems in favor of some establishment shill who throws lip services to whatever idpol is popular that week.

>You blame capitalism while supporting candidates who do it for profit for the wealthy elite you pretend to hate so much. The irony is palatable.
I literally did not support anyone in my post.

Fuck man, you missed the mark so amazingly I can't help but think you were "literally shaking" when you made your post.

Fucking chill.

Which still exist?..

Commies are as pro-open borders, pro-mass migration, pro-fag, pro-tranny, anti-anything that suggests the existence of objective standards of worth, pro whatever id-pol there is as liberals are. Stop trying to pretend you only care about economic issues.

The west doesn't exist in any significant way. "The west" is basically europeanized christianity. Christianity is gone, we now have her radical child, called universal, secular, progressive egalitarianism.

>t. achmed muhammad moussef

You don't even have to be right wing to understand this. Hell you don't even have to speculate we're seeing this shit happen in real time. It's an observable, demonstrable reality.

I'm left of center but because I'm not full on nihilistic, retarded commie riddled head to toe in denial I'm a Nazi.

Pic and vid related. I understand you are busy fucking your nine year old child bride right now, but I'll be here relaxing all day for my day off so when you're done and ready to make an actual argument I'll be here waiting.

youtube.com/watch?v=AJ1_6s5OFmM

youtube.com/watch?v=b2nlIfn8tNA

youtube.com/watch?v=ra45nX9JmW4

They are the poster children for Stalin's 'Useful Idiot"

It's not really all that radical. It lacks too much substance to be called radical.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Sweden

You have literally zero historical awareness if you think the overton window of today isn't radically egalitarian compared to the 50s.

>Are you illiterate user

>Commies are as pro-open borders, pro-mass migration, pro-fag, pro-tranny, anti-anything that suggests the existence of objective standards of worth, pro whatever id-pol there is as liberals are.
Well yes, for the third time now capitalism has successfully subverted leftist ideology and defanged it to be one of its most ardent defenders. Even self-proclaimed "communist parties" will be populated with limp wristed liberals who simply only care about whatever idpol is fashion and simply have a fetish for soviet iconography.

Of course this does not mean opposition to some of this idpol is the way to go. (e.g. I personally have no issue with gays being gays. Fuck off back to Muhammadastan if you want to enforce your religious bullshit.)

>Stop trying to pretend you only care about economic issues.
It's not a matter of "only caring about economic issues". it's about recognising that economics are the driving factor.

this is why the right is a dead end. most of it stems from working class angst brought about by capitalism but its solutions are to give their exploiters even more sway and power.

>the modern left as one of capitalism's most ardent defenders

That is so wrong and such a superficial way of looking at it. Yes, I get it. Cheap labor. But it's hardly capitalism if their policies destroy the economy and degrade them down to a second world tier welfare state. Cheap labor and welfare... where have I seen that before... hmmm

And that's assuming these people will even get job. It's not even cheap labor it's just absolute dead weight. So the money used to compensate from all that leeched welfare comes from actual working people.

"They pretend to work, we pretend to pay them!"

>Well yes, for the third time now capitalism has successfully subverted leftist ideology
Nope, it's not them who've been subverted, it's you who has been left behind.
>Fuck off back to Muhammadastan if you want to enforce your religious bullshit.
First, I'm an atheist, second, we've gone well beyond the "it should be acceptable for gays to be gays" talking point. We've gone to "people have lost their job because they think gay marriage shouldn't be a thing like everyone did 15 years ago".
>this is why the right is a dead end. most of it stems from working class angst brought about by capitalism but its solutions are to give their exploiters even more sway and power.
You have no understanding of what the right is, which is not surprising desu. The right has never traditionally focused on economic claims. That's a very recent change.

Shit, wrong pic. Meant to use this one. I wanted to show that it's not really economic factors that are driving this. The rapefugees don't get jobs. They can't even if they wanted to (they definitely don't want to).

It's 100% divide and conquer driven as well as to crash the economy through welfare programs that bleed us dry. Make it hard for actual citizens.

Remember when were demanding a Veeky Forums board and people thought it would just become /pol/ with dates?

We sure showed them, right guys?

And to add to this; Think about it.

The politicians destroy these nations for their ultra wealthy handlers to make a profit.. sure. But then they flood the country with millions of barbaric voters.

So they've now just solidified their power as well as made a profit. Most countries are 50/50 politically speaking but now they've just upset the balance of power and paved the way for unconditional support for a directionless, authoritarian, bureaucratically hungry regime like the DNC who would have been led by a despotic warhawk criminal like Clinton whose predecessor just spent the last 8 years weaponizing the federal government by politicizing it's institutions and expanding its powers, expecting to hand that over to Clinton in a rigged election. And the kicker is that Clinton was colluding with all the media outlets - so she also has a total monopoly over the distribution of information.

It's not capitalism. It's corporate socialism. And the refugees aren't being pushed on us for economic reasons, it's actually quite the contrary.

Im a gay nationalist communist

>you can't collect foodstamps and have a job at the same time

>for their ultra wealthy handlers to make a profit
>the refugees aren't being pushed on us for economic reasons

pls decide

stick your sarcasm up your arse you fat nigger

Quality post!
Have an upvote, fellow r/the_donald crossposter!

>70% on cash welfare is OK pffffffft hahahaha

>
>he's actually being this deliberately obtuse and two dimensional to pretend to not understand economic comes third after the main goal of power consolidation and then divide and conquer

>he can't make a solid rebuttal
>better call him le donalder
>leftypol actually thinks t_D labeling is somehow insulting when relative to their trash it's a breath of fresh air

Should we just deliberately be wrong with information just so we can say we aren't pol?

>"The West" is only the things that I like
>change is bad
ok /pol/.

>LARPing this hard

You need to stop existing, spooked one.

cool opinions

Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.

empires were forged for boypussy

they collapse when they fall for the vagina meme

pay denbts

No it was lead that killed Rome

Only one I can think of is the Third Republic of France. During WW1 Petain apparently with his mistresses quite a lot, and he himself attributed the country's fall to the people's "love of pleasure". Besides that, the built fucking cinemas under the Maginot line but had no tanks.

watching films would keep up the men's morale. The line was expected to be manned for long periods of time.
Also proofs about the mistresses?

To a supranational body, that nationalist parties wish to destroy, yes.

Did anyone say eutruscans yet?

Philip K Dick was a right fucking weirdo wasn't he. Anyone know if I can get his religious text, the one where he shares all of his revelations?