Was Weimar as bad it people say it was?

>I think the sexual liberation of the era is overstated

Supposedly the after affects of whoring during WW 1 and the brief period of hyper inflation combined with the Marxist takeover in in 1919 (not the Spartacists the Socialists who sided with the Freikorps) created horrible prostituion rings. Child prostitution became incredibly prevalant, German culture was mocked in plays, the roaring 20's came etc.

>They just wanted an Emperor

Didn't Hitler only win by like 10% in 1933?

What about the Great Depression? That fucked up the weimar republic real good.

Five years. And even poor Germany from 1923 was more wealthy than East Europe, for example Poland.

>Himmler kills himself
>Hitler kills himself
>Everyone else is either exexuted or died already

Sounds like he was in a pretty bad spot.

Wasn't it Goebbels who was the one who was depressed?

Hyper inflation didn't come back then, although the GDP did drop significantly.

the communist "revolution" was pretty pathetic t b h. it was only slightly more successful than Hitler's beer hall putsch

He killed himself in 1987, long after the war

This. He probably realised he was going to die anyway, so did it on his terms.

No one was as bad as Germany in the early 20's except Russia.

Weimar democracy was dead since 1930. Hitler only desecrated its corpse.

Goebbels was depressed but Hess was a borderline schizo.

The only part of the Weimar Republic that ever had a remotely functional democracy to begin with was unironically Prussia.

You're wrong. By 1924 Germany was one of the most powerful countries in Europe again and in 1925 they declared a custom war on Poland.

He didn't win by much, and the Fire of the Reichstag still seems like a mystery to me, although it definitely seems to be the nazis.

That's why I said early 20's until Schanct's reforms. Germans were always more rich than Poles, in fact the Germans who remained in Germany after the League of Nations made the country had their land taken away by the Second Polish Republic because of this, which is one of the sources of the squabbles between the Nazis and the Poles

What was wrong with Weimar democracy? Everything worked reasonably well until 1930 and the Bruning government.

Interesting, usually when I think of Hitler's rise to power, I think of overwhelming support by the German people.. Did the opposition dissipate after the following years, or did it linger?

Sauce? There are a lot of pop history memes about the Nazis I've heard but I only ever heard small speculation about Hess being depressed and paranoid.

The communists and SocDems not working together is part of what led to Hitler's rise. The communists were taken to reeducation camps but some joined the SA. Most of the SocDems just went along with the Fascists.

Poland was as poor as Romania in early 1920s. East Europe in general was a shithole, it was actually better to live in Germany even in 1923 than in East Europe (except maybe Czechoslovakia). I don't know about other countries but hyperinflation also happened in Poland.

Actually most members of SPD were arrested or left the country. They moved to Czechoslovakia and formed Sopade.

eliotslater.org/index.php/psychiatry/pathography/199-the-illness-of-rudolf-hess-a-phenomenological-analysis-1972?start=7

It wasn't until later that he got the popularity that became emblematic of the Nazis, a lot of it was due to Hjalmar Schanct's trade deals and much of the fascistic economic programs of the nazis like focusing on public works and extreme autarky. Of course Schanct disagreed about the anti-jew stuff and was a free market guy, so he was posted by Goering later on... But that didn't stop the public's support of Hitler.

Nobody could make decisions because every party was equally powerful, and there were more than 50 parties, so the chancellor had to use article 48 (emergency powers) to get shit done.

>Psychopath

Everyone who was in the Nazi party was accused of being a psychoptah meanwhile they clearly exhibit empathetic traits. A Psychopath would never sue for peace with Britain, that is nonsensical.

Sounds like a money making book to me.l akin to the Nazi gold memes of the History Channel.

Hjalmar Schacht? Wasn't he tried at Nuremberg? For what?

You can easily check how many people voted for NSDAP in each election.

It was a very popular party, but they never got more than 37% of votes. CDU/CSU in 1950s was even more popular than Hitler.

From what I've read, Hess did seem pretty mentally unstable though...

But that's not really true. There were few big parties and they usually formed coalitions. Like I said, everything worked pretty well until 1930.

True, but Poland's hyperinflation wasn't as severe as Germany's and didn't occur until 1923, which is when it ended for Germany.

Eastern Europe was always poor, but Germany went through much more radical changes which is what set up the nazis so well

Yeah he was tried for crimes against peace but not crimes against humanity because he left the party before the world war even began. Schanct was a weird case, he was a German nationalist who just sided with the Nazis because they were the people in power, he didn't really agree with the anti semitism or the extreme anti-capitalism.

>radical changes
I agree. It was too early for German democracy. Almost every political movement wanted to destroy their young republic. When SPD lost workers to KPD and NSDAP everything went to hell.

Yes but he had severe amnesia and believed Jews were poisoning him to be rude to people.

Their constitution was so democratic it allowed other parties to destroy democracy.

Yeah so did Goebbels, but this trend of dehumanizing the Nazis isn't really justified by the personal diaries of Goebbels where he expressed being near suicidal sometimes.

Guy lived through brutal times that had to put pressure on him and influence his politics.

>Amnesia

After or before the war? First of all I'm always skeptical about psychological analysis of the Nazis because it's very prone to sensationalist stories, kind of like the Holocaust stories made by people who weren't actually present at the Holocaust who were just looking for money.

Most Nazis were pathetic human beings. Outsiders, larpers and failures. There were some exceptions like Goering, but I'm not sure if he even cared about their ideology that much.

Do you think these kind of people could ever come back again? Reading Heinrich's biography on Wikipedia is creepy because there are a lot of nutcases out there that think like him. The internet's sense of almost completely unmoderated free speech has lead to the creation of communities like /pol/ and they seem to get bigger and bigger.

He claimed to have suffered amnesia both during and after the war and that he couldn't recall many things about the Nazis.

>Rohm: decorated war vet
>Hitler : decorated war vet
>etc

Yeah no none of them were pathetic all of the various people involved in it were great men even if you don't like what they did

I doubt it. Putin-style authoritarian rule is more possible.

>that he couldn't recall many things about the Nazis.

You realize this was probably him trying to have an excuse to not he bothered and not he questioned about war crimes so he wasn't executed?

Probably was lying

Yes and what's scarier is that you'll join the eventually.

>Inb4 hurr determinism is a failed meme

Time to read up about monozygotic twins and lurkmoar

You can be a decorated war veteran and still be a social failure. And zHitler definitely was. Rohm was a homosexual with bizarre ideas about 'trench socialism'. Hardly perfectly stable people.

>Making excuses

Hitler is probably one of the best speech givers of the modern Era since the 1600's and these social failures exerted more power and influence than any ordinary person could exude. They had their flaws like men then rose through the ranks of their society via a populist movement on the basis that they were self made men for other to look up to.

They were all success stories even if you don't like the results of their success.

>Rohm was gay

And? I mean first of all that believing for whatever reason he was wacked in the Night of the Long Knives from the Nazis which could very well just he a lie because he was somewhat leaning towards the Strasser brothers, but so what if he was?

>/pol/
>community
>unmoderated free speech
>getting bigger
>being more than a few trolls and misguided foll
Also
>implying free speech should be restrict because the ebil Nazis are coming
Wew lad

Ignore the typos btw mobile is the worst

>'trench socialism

tell me moar

/pol/ didn't used to be so bad. It got invaded by newfags because of is edginess and reputation but a lot of the Traditionalists/libertarian oldfags (of /pol/ and /new/) migrated here or to 8ch*n.
Whenever we have a straw poll it's usually Traditionalists and libertarians who are the majority.

His speeches are weak populist nonsense. But apparently this is what the Germans wanted to hear in 1930s.

>so what if he was
Like I said, he was an outsider.

I'm talking more of the long run. How will the US and especially Europe's government with the migrant crisis look like in the 2030's, 2040's, or 2050's?

/pol/ is the largest board on the entire site. It has definitely gotten bigger since 2014 or so.

Not to mention there are a bunch of YT channels out there like Varg that network with each other to promote their ideals.

>implying free speech should be restrict because the ebil Nazis are coming
Wew lad

/pol/ tries to start a lot of racial based hatred and tries to make the situations we already have worse than they already are.

>His speeches are weak populist nonsense.
>Be me
>Be Veeky Forums fag

Not really, his delivery and rhetorical appeals are phenomenal. Populism isn't a priori bad either.

National socialism. This is how Rohm and some others explained their movement. Men living and dying together in the trenches was the real socialism, international socialism was fake and created by Jews.

Read NSDAP program, economically and socially it's clearly left-wing.

>/pol/ tries to start a lot of racial based hatred and tries to make the situations we already have worse than they already are.
>Racial tensions are the fault of whites Nazis on /pol/

What did he mean by this?

There is nothing interesting or new in his speeches. When I watched Triumph of the Will I was surprised how anyone could have voted for this screaming idiot.

>Read NSDAP program, economically and socially it's clearly left-wing.

Just because something is anti-bourgie doesn't make it left wing. They set wage caps to eliminate the Pareto Distribution then minimized free market interactions in favor of smaller autarky and protectionism.

Originally the Nazis wanted to have an agrarian revolution so they GDP was meant to shrink over time. They weren't socialists either, they were collectivist who kept trying to distance themselves from their namesake which is pretty hilarious desu

>There was nothing knee
Because the film was made 70 years ago, you've heard everything about it as have your parents and your parents before you , of course it isn't new now topkek.

For it's time it was incredible, and even then the way Hitler directs himself and organizing his speeches for the time is impressive as fuck.

That's the whole point. The cameraderie, the grandiosity. It was like a giant cult to the German people.

>knee

*new

Rohm's idea of National Socialism was and was probably comparable to modern North Korea. Hitler's National "Socialism" was capitalist.

I mean after 200 or so years of trying to unifying Germans under a single nation and given the conditions of the Weimar Era fraught with extreme poverty, political tensions via the many coups (1919 spartacist revolt being one of the) , and extreme decline in traditional morals... I mean what would you expect this is like a breeding ground for extremism

They are, yes. It's not just /pol/, there are several communities throughout the internet that try to attempt the same thing. It might seem silly right now but political movements take time to grow.

13. We demand the nationalization of all associated industries (trusts)
14. We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries
15. We demand an expansion on a larger scale of old age welfare
17. We demand a land reform suitable for our needs, provision of a law for three expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land

Almost like Commies.

>was capitalist

Meh not really, the capitalists left or were driven out, and the actual Marxists were killed during the Knight of the Long Knives.

There is not a single original idea in Hitler's movement. Volkish ideology + Socialism, that's it.

That's called collectivism, so yes it is like commies, but socialists and commies don't retain class differences while fascists do. In fact the preservation of the Aristocracy is an integral part of fascism, it's just that they rethink what an Aristocracy ought to mean which differs from traditional nobility in that its based on ability and not birth.

>There is not a single original idea
>Volkish

Well you just contradicted yourself right there , pretty sure fringe groups like the Thule Society and then the formation of Positive Christianity was pretty original to me desu.

>Socialism

Fascism. They are both based off of Hegel and Sorel so people get confused a lot but there is a difference.

>based on ability
More like based on ability to suck Hitler's dick.

Volkish ideology exists since 19th century. Hitler didn't create it.

No

Apart from the fact all the permanent UNSC members (the former Allied Powers) would blanket Germany with nuclear weapons if the Nazis unironically somehow managed to seize power again and started rearming, Nazism was so throughly discredited by it's brutality that it's modern adherents basically have to renounce most of the core tenants of the ideology to publicly justify themselves.

Even the most extreme "Neo-Nazis" like Andy Anglin and George Lincoln Rockwell are mild by the standards of Himmler and Heydrich. They have loose standards for the definition of an "Aryan" and are content with the mere removal of non-white races, rather than their extermination.

Actually the entire concept of Blood and Soil dates back to ancient pagan times you're right, but the ideals of the Thule Society were very specific and based on other paganistic views

Nice meme

Technically it's modern adherents deny the violence ever occured and don't care, and if so fascist revolution occured this time it would be continent wide and would only occur after something which would make 2008 look like a child's play thing. If it did happen, it would take over the government of all of the "the west"

>We're content with just the removal of non white races

So was Hitler. He wasn't even the most extreme person in the Nazis (dank Beatles reference for you young fags) and until 1939 he was continent of the deportation of the Jews and planned with Shancht on this front via the Madagascar Plan and Havaraa Agreement.

Of course it was bickering with Poland over who gets to annex Danzig from the League of Nations which then lead he Allies into the war

>We're

They're

>Continent

Content

>he

The

The Nazi government in the 40s never openly talked of exterminating other races but of deporting them to other nations.

The great depression occurred in the US in the 1930's. How come there wasn't any kind of similar political movement in the US?

Haavara Agreement was completely inefficient.

No hyper inflation, attempted communist revolution, and coup attempts. Also the US wasn't in Europe , but it did have the German Bund founded in 1936

None of this happened in the early 1930s in Germany.

No it happened in the 20's which is when the Nazi party was first formed out of the German Worker's Party and where Europe had sweeping and massive communist revolutions. Plus Weimar Germany was horrible, about as if not worse than the US during the Great Depression.

Hitler talked about Lebensraum (Germany's seizing the territory of others for their own use, and the removal of the existing inhabitants, presumably by deportation or bullets if they refused to leave) in Mein Kampf. Apart from the fact the Nazi Party maintained eliminationist rhetoric towards Jews throughout its entire existence, various Nazi Party sources also began using the phrase "Final Solution" in reference to Jews and Gypsies as early as 1937.

Although they may have not been 100% committed to a plan for genocide in 1937, there were probably already those starting to brainstorm the idea.

There was the Ku Klux Klan of the 1920s, which at the time was more popular in the United States than the Nazis were in Germany, but it began to fall apart after a series of scandals ranging from corruption to murder (of whites). The Great Depression pretty much finished them off until they were revived in the 50s after the Federal government started intervening to enforce Brown v. Board of Education.

Actually in Mein Kampf , at least the edition I read through I don't know about you, he flat our says that extermination of Jews is on the table if he is invaded by a coalition of capitalist allies. I mean he doesn't explicitly say it, but he basically says that due to the Jewish involvement in capitalism and communism he "has no other choice".

Of course this didn't matter to him in terms of Emil Maurice and the other more open jewish soldiers because his concept of "the Jew" was basically personified in materialistic idealogies for example capitalism and communism. This is also how he justified the Lebensraum, he basically said that war with communism is inevitable because of internationalist communist movement via the Commintern, and given the previous war with the communists in the 29's he convinced a lot of people that the Lebensraum was inevitable.

The KKK was literally nothing in comparison to the Nazis, in fact about 1/4th of the people they lynched in he South were white. Most of the deaths had to do with accusations of rape and cattle rustling.

They also stemmed back to 19th century movement like the Order of the White Camellia

The Klan also suffered (and has always suffered) from a lack of centralized leadership to coordinate its efforts to muscle their way into mainstream politics Even Nathan Bedford Forrest, the alleged first Grand Wizard, had little to no operational control over the organization as a whole (and how could he, the 1st Klan spent as much time killing each other as they did blacks and Union soldiers).

The Nazis on the other hand, had the exact opposite of this problem. Their decision-making processed was centralized to the point of excess (further worsened by Hitler's often cryptic instructions).

^^^^ this

The KKK had 6,000,000 (not a (((coincidence))) I assure you) members in 1925. The Nazis had a mere 25,000 at the same time.

>6,000,000

That's the highest possible estimate of the 2nd Klan . Estimates range from 2 million to 6 million and I really doubt them having 6 million, even if they did the majority of their member were softcore as fuck, most of them were just WASP's attracted to the Christian sentiments of the group. There weren't 2-6 million people geared up to lynch the negro or white heretic on the street.

In comparison the Wehrmacht had something like 15 million people geared up for muh Lebensraum

>Supposedly the after affects of whoring during WW 1 and the brief period of hyper inflation combined with the Marxist takeover in in 1919 (not the Spartacists the Socialists who sided with the Freikorps) created horrible prostituion rings.
Talking to a wall but all the marxists of the era opposed prostitution and saw it as a product of the vast wealth inequality of weimer capitalism

Yes the prostitution was blamed on liberalism not communism, but it was the overall destruction of contemporary identities which the Bolsheviks engaged in which pissed off the nazi.