Good Guys:
Finland
Spanish Nationalists
Kuomintang
Poland
Baltic States
United States
Canada
Australia
Norway
Bad Guys:
Germany
Soviet Union
Japan
Chinese Maoists
Spanish Republicans
Greece
Morally Neutral/Conflicted:
Italy
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
France
Undecided:
Most of the Balkan States
If you're going to say I'm retarded/wrong at least say why
>Kuomintang
Fuck off
>c*mmies
>Historical discussions should be focused on past events, and not their contemporary consequences.
Shit, meant to make Greece good guys, not bad guys
Forgive my mistake
Republican Spain was the good guys. Franco held back his country, they could have been first world instead of the third world it is today.
MUERTE A LOS BORBONES
Yeah, I meant by their contemporary morality
Ffs I'd be tempted to make Germany the good guys if we're going to consider their modern consequences.
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Kill priests and nuns and you deserve worse
There's absolutely nothing wrong in killing servants of Demiurge.
The killing of priests and other exploitative reactionaries was well deserved.
Shoo shoo commies
arch-evil: Independent State of Croatia
Tell me about them
hi jukka, is your igloo melting yet?
The Nationalists massacred more civilians than the Republicans. This is historical fact.
I Hurt Myself Today:
Romania
>Kuomintang
No
>Spanish
Undecided
>Soviet union
Depends. They hugely helped us from 1942
>Maoists
You can be communist and a good guy, you know ?
>Italy
It's not because you pity them that you have to defend them.
>Uk
Why conflicted ?
Would hunt Orthodox Serb children with armed patrols. If they found children, they'd ask them to do a cross on their chest. If they went left to right, they were Catholic croats and could live. if they went right to left, they were Orthodox Serbs, Bosnians and Montenegrins and would be shot.
The Hungarians and the Romanians were pretty good too.
Probably because the Nationalists won and had more time to do their stuff, Francoist Repression lasted till late 70s, yet the reds killed tens of thousands in the short time they had.
And they're something especially fucked about killing clergy over some communists.
Spanish what?
And m8, if communism in general wasn't fucked enough, Soviets fighting perfectly upright nations like Finland and Poland is shitty.
Maoist Cultural Revolution and the like was horrible.
United Kingdom was pretty shitty to the Irish, and not to mention being shitty at the negotiation table of ww1 and too lax with German expansionism was pretty shitty in the long run.
I just couldn't call them as upright as say Finland, but I named their colonies good guys.
Oh no how terrible of the Americans
Don't forget the hyper-Mengeles of unit 731 getting cushy jobs.
The United States were definitely not good guys, just opportunists.
Every country in the war mass killed and raped (except Tannu Tuva). When you see Dresde after the war, you think the bad side won. When you hear about Japanese crimes, you loose faith in humanity.
Spanish nationalists, sorry. We're judging their acts during ww2, not the regime itself. But yeah, the ussr was a bad guy at the beginning, and a good guy at the end. Yes, that's right about great britain (and France too).
>United Kingdom was pretty shitty to the Irish,
Gods punishment for their Romanism and idolatry
>Germany frees victims of Holodomor in Ukraine due to Soviet oppression
>Germans bad guys
Good one
I wouldn't call the Spanish Nationalists the goodest good guys, but I think they were a net morally good, if that's only more to do with their better elements IN SPITE OF their bad ones.
In the Pacific they were
Why are Spanish and Finnish nationalists good but German, Italian, and Japanese ones aren't?
because they really dindu nuffin
They were not the aggressors for one thing.
>the ussr was a bad guy at the beginning, and a good guy at the end.
They started off as cunts (like with Poland) and ended as cunts (like with Finland).
Seriously fuck em.
One is Jingoistic, the other isn't
Because they didn't want no trabble.
No, I'm just counting wartime massacres.
>And they're something especially fucked about killing clergy over some communists.
Maybe they shouldn't have supported a fascist coup against a democratically-elected parliamentary government!
Then the Ukrainians found out what the Germans were planning for them.
Of course they gave support to the folks against those calling religion the opium of the masses, then the communist went and started killing them!
Fucking roaches.
Do you have any idea how much property the Church owned and how much influence it wielded in Spanish politics? Spanish anticlericalism has the same roots as it did in France.
what's the issue with that?
But user spain is a first world country
It would just be much, much better off if the civil war never happened
I admit, being Protestant in a Protestant nation, I don't have much experience with RCC power.
But this whole
>most Jews might be communist, but killing them all wholesale and regardless is wrong
But
>RCC might be nationalist sympathizers, but killing them all wholesale is perfectly fine, including fucking nuns
Is really fucked.
I respectfully disagree, the USSR is an antihero
Judging by the only real resistance coming from communists, I think I actually did kinda well in this one
>he does not know about how "muh anarchist solidarity dream" botchered on the spanish economy
Fighting the Nazis was the ONLY justifiable thing the Soviets did.
At least they did it a lot.
>good and bad guys in a war
Tannu what?
Salud y republica camarada
Notice it isn't as easy as
Allies: good
Axis: bad
I fucking love the Kuomintang and Chiang Kai-Shek, but making them out to be anything but neutral is foolish.
>Good guys
>Balts
thanks
>United Kingdom was pretty shitty to the Irish, and not to mention being shitty at the negotiation table of ww1 and too lax with German expansionism was pretty shitty in the long run.
Well we gave them their republic in the end, and kept the territories that wanted to stay.
>something especially fucked about killing clergy
Imagine being this spooked.
The resistance movement by Ukrainians against the Germans was literally 100x larger than the resistance movement against the Soviets. Because the Germans were that bad.
Start shit, get fucked.
>France
>not the good guys
Literally never happened in history
>Allies recapture France from the Nazis
>REEEEEE ALLIES GET OUT GO BASE SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT IS NOT FRANCE. PAREE LEEBEHREH!
Fuck de Gaulle.
>tried his best to ensue that france wouldn't end up as usa's puppet like uk did
>anglos still hate him for it
>Lost their empire anyway.
LoL!
Reminder that Franco
>Killed civilians unforgivenly
>Used his Moorish dogs to rape Spanish women
>Used and betrayed the Falangist ideals
>Let the true nationalist champion to rot in his prison cell to be executed.
Fuck Franco, Viva Primo de Rivera
finland invaded the USSR aswell and partake in the blockade of leningrad, the city was starved to death, warcrime
spanish nationlists didnt take part in the war, i dont know much about their civil war, but being ideologically close yet staying neutral means you are not a good guy
kuomintang, backwards nationalists, worse than commies
Poland, retarded, got the same reward as other got for punishment
baltic states, pribalty fascisty, nazis
unites states, imperialists jews
canada, british lapdogs
australia, british lapdogs
norway, collaborators, entire country occupied by a few germans
germay, nazis
soviet union, communism, katyn, NKVD
japan, warcrimes left right and center, backwards idiotic code of honor
chinese commies, terrible
spanish republicans, lost the civil war, doesnt matter
greece, possibly good guys
italy, traitors as usual
UK, eternal anglo
France, leaving their allies in the shit
other states:
slovakia, croatia, hungary, nazi fuckheads
romania, traitors as usual
bulgaria, OK
serbia, mass murdering fuckheads
benelux countries, collaborators, nazis
czechs, collaborators
did i forget anyone?
this is not true, south ukraine and west ukraine had almost no partisan movement
also hiwis
also partisans had to force conscription as stupid as this sounds
the "resistance" movements in occupied USSR is a very very complicated topic
>finland invaded the USSR aswell and partake in the blockade of leningrad, the city was starved to death, warcrime
I love this meme my dear Ivan.
en.wikipedia.org
By August 1941, the Finns advanced to within 20 km of the northern suburbs of Leningrad at the 1939 Finnish-Soviet border, threatening the city from the north; they were also advancing through East Karelia, east of Lake Ladoga, and threatening the city from the east. The Finnish forces crossed the pre-Winter War border on the Karelian Isthmus by eliminating Soviet salients at Beloostrov and Kirjasalo, thus straightening the frontline so that it ran along the old border near the shores of Gulf of Finland and Lake Ladoga, and those positions closest to Leningrad still lying on the pre-Winter War border.
>According to Soviet claims, the Finnish advance was stopped in September through resistance by the Karelian Fortified Region;[39] however, Finnish troops had already earlier in August 1941 received orders to halt the advance after reaching their goals, some of which lay beyond the pre-Winter War border. After reaching their respective goals, the Finns halted their advance and started moving troops to East Karelia.[40][41]
>For the next three years, the Finns did little to contribute to the battle for Leningrad, maintaining their lines.[42] Their headquarters rejected German pleas for aerial attacks against Leningrad[43] and did not advance farther south from the Svir River in occupied East Karelia (160 kilometres northeast of Leningrad), which they had reached on 7 September. In the southeast, the Germans captured Tikhvin on 8 November, but failed to complete their encirclement of Leningrad by advancing further north to join with the Finns at the Svir River. On 9 December, a counter-attack of the Volkhov Front forced the Wehrmacht to retreat from their Tikhvin positions in the River Volkhov line.[3][4]
>On 6 September 1941, Germany's Chief of Staff Alfred Jodl visited Helsinki. His main goal was to persuade Mannerheim to continue the offensive. In 1941, President Ryti declared to the Finnish Parliament that the aim of the war was to restore the territories lost during the Winter War and gain more territories in the east to create a "Greater Finland".[44][45][46] After the war, Ryti stated: "On August 24, 1941 I visited the headquarters of Marshal Mannerheim. The Germans aimed us at crossing the old border and continuing the offensive to Leningrad. I said that the capture of Leningrad was not our goal and that we should not take part in it. Mannerheim and Minister of Defense Walden agreed with me and refused the offers of the Germans. The result was a paradoxical situation: the Germans could not approach Leningrad from the north..." In fact the German and Finnish armies maintained the siege together until January 1944, but there was little, or no systematic shelling or bombing from the Finnish positions.[21] Mannerheim had spent most of his career in the Imperial Russian Army stationed at old St. Petersburg.[47]
>The proximity of the Finnish positions – 33–35 km (21–22 mi) from downtown Leningrad – and the threat of a Finnish attack complicated the defence of the city. At one point, the defending Front Commander, Popov, could not release reserves opposing the Finnish forces to be deployed against the Wehrmacht because they were needed to bolster the 23rd Army's defences on the Karelian Isthmus.[48] Mannerheim terminated the offensive on 31 August 1941, when the army had reached the 1939 border. Popov felt relieved, and redeployed two divisions to the German sector on 5 September.[49]
>Subsequently, the Finnish forces reduced the salients of Beloostrov and Kirjasalo,[50] which had threatened their positions at the sea coast and south of the River Vuoksi.[50] Lieutenant General Paavo Talvela and Colonel Järvinen, the commander of the Finnish Coastal Brigade responsible for Ladoga, proposed to the German headquarters the blocking of Soviet convoys on Lake Ladoga. The German command formed the 'international' naval detachment (which also included the Italian XII Squadriglia MAS) under Finnish command and the Einsatzstab Fähre Ost under German command. These naval units operated against the supply route in the summer and autumn of 1942, the only period the units were able to operate as freezing waters then forced the lightly equipped units to be moved away, and changes in front lines made it impractical to reestablish these units later in the war.[21][33][51][52]
Fascist chukhna pls.
But granted if i was in Mannerheim's place i would've bombed the city the ground so the advance could've being rehabilitated.
>F...f...fascist
Go shrivel to whatever hole you belong to USSR died almost 30 years go, your bullshit doesn't fly anymore.
All of them are bad guys..
leningrad was not to be taken
the objective was to let the population die themself because it would have been impossible to feed them
finns assisted in that so yea, be a good little nazi somewhere else
im not an ivan if youd read my post youd know i dont like them either
antes muerto que rojo
>Canada
>Part of the ''Good Guys''
>muh king and boring architecture
> Spanish Nationalists
only in context of the civil war
>Kuomintang
only in context of the civil war
> Poland
> implying they didn't deserve what they got
no
>United States
pussies who refused to help until someone attacked them
> Greece
because of what they did to Bulgarians?
> France
> implying they didn't deserve what they got
no
> Most of the Balkan States
bad guys and idiots
>France
>not the good guys
>Literally never happened in history
literally one year earlier
en.m.wikipedia.org
cummies?
I would put USA in the morally gray category. Politically they fucked being so subservient to (probably more than it was necessary to keep the alliance with him because FDR loved him so much). And there's also their involvement in the unrestricted submarine warfare but I guess it happens. Basically if you're a large player you're gonna get your hands dirty.
>most people that go there do it just to spit on franco's tomb
I would like that yanks stopped larping as fascists, it is getting embarrassing.
>good guys
>USA
no fuck you, if not bad they should at least be neutral
>Only in context of civil war(s)
That's the idea
>Poland deserving it
Exactly fucking how
>Le Americans have to arbitrarily go to war without any good reason or they're pussies
Dumbass, everyone goes to war with a good reason
How the hell do you justify the United States not being the good guys fighting Japan?
Proofs?
It looks to me a Maoist terrorist tried to bomb it, and some socialist politicians tried to close it out of butthurt.
You can stop pretending all of Spain were kind revolutionaries, only wanting to create their perfect peaceful Utopia (completely unlike all those other communist failure's, we'll be different!) when the evil government suppressed all that was good.
Seriously, you communists are roaches, thank God Spain had enough Raid.
>X was bad but not as bad as Y and Z
>therefore X doesn't matter!!