>lost more land than Soviets asked for
>too shitty army to conquer Murmansk and Leningrad
>claims stopping on old borders even when its not true
>backstabbed Germans when Stalin ordered them to
>claims preserving own independence even when Stalin never wanted to conquer Finland
>term Finlandization is named after them
>inb4 k/d ratio
>inb4 photoshopped Wikipedia casualty tabs
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I wish we had someone like Mannerheim. Even if Finland was in a slightly better situation than we were he had the right insticts and knew who to ally with and when.
So no. Not overrated. In a way it serves as a good example to other second rate nations struggling to survive fighting aggressive regimes.
Karelia was Finlands Sudetenland. If they give it up then the red army would have occupied all of Finland uncontested later on, just like how Germans did in Czechoslovakia
Stalin's main goal was to occupy and annex or install a puppet regime in Finland, which he failed to do so. He had already chosen the leader puppet regime, O.W Kuusinen, who did govern over Karelia after the war.
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Because finish have more autists than most nations so their achievements represent what would happen if Veeky Forums declared unilateral independence
>no sources
into the trash it goes
On what exactly?
Who is overrating Finland?
Stalin isnt Trotsky, Socialism in one country isnt invading every country in reach.
Finns have a massive internet presence for such a small country.
post your sources then
I think OP needs to do it first, im not doing more effort than some retarded troll is.
That's exactly what Stalin did though. Have you ever heard of Molotov–Ribbentrop pact? It included all of Finland instead of only Karelia.
Oh like Poland and Baltic states didn't happen?
lost more land than Soviets asked for
too shitty army to conquer Murmansk and Leningrad
claims stopping on old borders even when its not true
backstabbed Germans when Stalin ordered them to
claims preserving own independence even when Stalin never wanted to conquer Finland
term Finlandization is named after them
tell me which one of these isnt right
>still no sources
Jesus christ is this too much to ask for? Im accepting even the fucking wiki.
Its about sphere of influence, not about occupying it. Also later it changed so Soviets annexed Lithuania and did not annexed Finland or made it socialistic.
Tell me then why did Soviets accepted Finnish cry for peace instead of taking their country
Tell that to Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia and eastern parts of Romania and Poland.
Spheres of influence my ass. It was a plan of their war of conquest. They just drew a border so they wouldn't step on each other toes.
>still nothing about which point isnt right
Yep, no sources. Anyone who replies to this thread is a retard from this point onward.
Russias GDP = 1,560,706
Finlands GDP = 234,524
Russian population = 145 million
Finland population = 5.5 million
145/5.5 = 26
1,560,706 / 26 = 60 027 (Russian GDP adjusted to Finlands population)
234,524 / 60 027 = 3.906
The life of a finn is worth approximately that of four russians. Since the Winter war had a k/d ratio of 4.586 russians for each finn, and the Continuation War only 3.036 russians for each finn we may conclude that Finland came slightly ahead in the former while Russia came ahead in the latter.
Are you fucking autistic? Tell me which one of those isnt right and i will give you a source.
>k/d ratio meme
This thread is retarded as heck.
t. eastern european
>claims preserving own independence even when Stalin never wanted to conquer Finland
What is Kuusinen?
( en.wikipedia.org
>lost more land than Soviets asked for
Damn you must stupid as hell to trust soviets, Im from latvia, if we would have resisted The soviet base treaty( similiar one, pretty much triggered winter war), you could now make a thread about same shit, how we put up a fight, when soviets asked just for a few military bases here(lmao sure).
>claims stopping on old borders even when its not tru
sources?
>too shitty army to conquer Murmansk and Leningrad
They didn't want to go further than their old borders.
>backstabbed Germans when Stalin ordered them to
So they should have, let soviets rape them and completly destroy their country like germans did, instead of using common sense?
Finn here, the "wonder of the winter war" wasn't about us kicking Russia's ass or whatever, it was that we managed to actually survive the war with minor territorial losses instead of getting SOVIET'D
>What is Kuusinen?
What is Stalin accepting Finnish cry for peace when Red army penetrated defense line?
>Sauce
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>Finland
>Overrated
Last time I checked they're still shit at hockey
Stalin accepted the peace offer because the war was taking months when it was supposed to take 2 weeks. He feared France and Britain were going to join in if the war took any longer. And it turns out they were planning to exactly that.
>this collectivist statistic overrules the individual
Sauce
It had taken them 3 months to get to viipuri and with spring melt coming and promises of french and english support staling cut his losses and took what he could. Taking the whole country would have probably taken a whole year or more which would have been followed by decades of guerilla warfare (this actually happened in the baltics). Finnish army meanwhile offered peace only because they were literally running out of ammo.
Also that border
>dude just give us this tiny piece of land, nevermind it contains all your border fortifications. Lmao im totally not going to invade you after. also a naval base next to your capital
>Ask for sace while posting no sauce except some map that shows nothing.
t. tankie
But that's pretty much what Stalin did
Reasons for advancing on Karelian Isthmus was purely tactical, to have positions which would be easier to defend.
They conquered teritories east of Finland during continuation war, because they percieved this teritory historicaly as Finnish - The Greater Finland and they didn't have intentions to go furthert than that(even tough I have to agree, that at the time of continuation war, justification for these claims was weak, since oh so trustable Stalin had killed or deported most of finnic ethnic groups living there).
>What is Stalin accepting Finnish cry for peace when Red army penetrated defense line?
He feared a Guerrilla war, and maby more serious international backlash.
>ask for cace while not saying which one and calling source nothing
>The Winter War: The Russo-Finnish War of 1939-1940 by William R. Trotter
You should read this entry level book about winter war, and then maybe some deeper stuff, and we wouldn't have such dumb threads.
>Finland
25,904 dead or missing [F 7][14]
43,557 wounded[15]
800–1,100 captured[F 8][16]
957 civilians killed in air raids[14]
20–30 tanks destroyed
62 aircraft lost[17]
70,000 total casualties
>Soviet Union
126,875–167,976 dead or missing[F 9][19][20]
188,671 wounded, concussed or burned[19]
5,572 captured[21]
3,543 tanks[F 10][22][23][24]
261–515 aircraft[F 11][24][25]
321,000-363,000 total casualties
LOL
>Finland
Wars won: 0
>Soviet Union
Wars won: 2
Iam fascist
Also Stalin wasnt Finnish president
By the time Finns asked for peace, war was lost for them since Red army has penetrate Mannerheim Line, resistence isnt a problem if you can afford to be brutal.
and?
Occupying a country when you destroyed your opponents army sounds gard as fuck
Say that to americans during Iraq war and consequential insurgency.
Anyway, Stalin feared high level insurgency in finland.
Sauce
The Soviets would have demanded more afterwards, instead the Soviets paid dearly for that land putting the Finns in a better military position.
>It's yet another butthurt tankie/jew thread
Finns did the best they could possibly do, they in no way deserve dishonor.
The human casualties don't seem too shocking, considering the way the commies fought, but holy shit how they managed to lose so many tanks and aircraft. I'm in disbelief that the soviets even HAD 3500 tanks and 500 aircraft to lose.
Sounds to me like the weather might´ve did the job or the armor brittled under cold.
Finns themselves had serious lack of proper armament to deal with such threats.
That's what I thought. This was in 1939, before Soviet production really kicked off, and before effective anti-tank weapons were invented. The Lahti rifle was obsolete, as was every AT rifle ever made.
De-tracked tank was considered lost by Re army
Finns mostly didn't use any real AT weaponry. They just shoved logs between the treads and threw satchel charges or molotovs on tanks.
>or install a puppet regime in Finland, which he failed to do
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Pleasae explain this
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Finland was not a puppet regime in the same tier as the Warsaw Pact countries though, which it would have been if the war had gone a little bit better for Stalin
Only difference is lack of red star on the flag.
Die Tankie, die.
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I don't think you understand what that word means.
STALIN DINDU NUFFIN HE GOOD BOY
You're an idiot
In historical discussions things that are literally objectively true dont need to be "proven" to people like you just because you refuse to believe it.
If you're accepting the wiki then i recommend you read it because you will find that you are making a total ass of yourself right now.
>there are still babbies out there who think k/d ratio and battlefield victory are the most important aspects of war
isnt it a shame we share a board with these people?