whats the difference between all these groups
Celts
Saxons
Angles
Franks
Gauls
Normans
Please remind me if i forgot any
From what i know they are just different genetic groups of people.
But it seems like they are all kinda mishmashes of the same people?
Franks are obviously french
And the Angles are British
Can you guys help me understand the differences between these groups?
They're all barbarians
well we got a romani here
>Celts
An ethno-cultural group that once dominated most of Europe and the near east but in modern times are limited to Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Brittany, the Isle of Man, Cornwall, and depending on who you ask, Galicia.
>Saxons, Angles
Germanic peoples who colonised the east coast of England and southern Scotland during the migration period and came to be the dominant cultural force there
>Gauls
An influential Celtic people who lived in modern day France, famous for their many interactions with the Romans, who eventually conquered them in the 1st century BC. They continued to exist as Gallo-Romans until around the 6th or 7th century, but Latin and Germanic culture eventually became dominant amongst them
>Normans
A migratory Germanic people who adopted French culture and were influential in France, Italy and England
There's nothing genetic about these groupings: They're cultural, usually set apart by language. All except the Celts spoke some Germanic language, later modified by exposure to a Romance language. In the case of the Franks, it became more Romance than Germanic eventually. The Normans spoke French by the time they invaded England, though they had Viking ancestors. The group that invaded England as "Normans" were actually mercenaries recruited from all over Europe, but French was their "lingua franca".
Saxons = A germanic tribe from Lower Saxony
Angles = A germanic tribe from Schleswig-Holstein
Modern saxony isn't old saxony.
Charles the Great Resettled a load of saxons there
Aren't there any differences appearance wise between celts and germanics?
Some slight differences in outward appearance: redheads more common among Celts, Blondes more common among the Norse, but people moved around and mixed quite a bit genetically. What defines the groups is culture, and maybe political affiliation. Culture is by definition learned behavior.
What are the cultural differences between celts and germanics?
>Modern saxony isn't old saxony.
That's why he said Lower Saxony, mate.
Different gods for one.
>The Celts spoke some Germanic language, later modified by exposure to a Romance language.
This is incredibly false. Celtic languages branch off of the same proto group as Italic languages. Celtic languages shared much more similarities with Latin than Germanic languages.
Celtics weren't very homogeneous first off, some argue there really weren't "Celts". Anyways, their culture was heavily religious with a powerful druid class at least in Britain and Gaul. There was also a trend to dress more flamboyantly, light colors, jewelry, etc. They were also pretty homo. There are recent archeological finds of warriors preferring to be buries with their "chariot partners" than their wives. A term referring to chariot partners is also used to describe partners in the Greek sacred band of fuckbois
Celts
made up people
Saxons
todays UK
Angles
todays UK
Franks
todays france
Gauls
todays south france (not counting blacks and muslims)
Normans
todays north france
They're all savages who contributed to the demise of the Roman Empire, no difference nor redeeming quality in any of those people
Red hair is actually a Scandinavian trait and the redheads in Scotland/Ireland are Viking rapebabies.
Celts typically have dark coloring so guys like Russell Brand, John Oliver or Rowan Atkinson are good examples of the Celtic phenotype.
If that were true, it would be a lot more common in Scandinavia.
The darker people in the British isles aren't Celts. They're descended from neolithic middle-eastern and north african farmers who moved north and settled in most of Europe. Later on, the people that we know as Indo-Europeans invaded Europe from Asia and also settled it. The lightest people in the British isles are descended mostly from them. The vikings came much later and had a more minor impact.
Language and culture. The Celts were very sophisticated and technologically advanced, the Germanics lived in crude huts and had no technology to speak of.
www.scotsman.com/heritage/people-places/expert-argues-vikings-carried-redhead-gene-to-scotland-1-3200177/amp
At the very least it seems that there is an ongoing debate about the origins of red hair.
Also I've always heard that the darker people on the British Isles were celts who originated from the Iberian peninsula which is why the Romans called Ireland Hibernia.
>That red spot in Russia
Why is that?
>imblygin
germanics made the best boats
Do you really want to know?
I do.
Celts are the people who inhabited most of Western and Central Europe until the Roman expansion.
Gauls are one type of Celts, those who lived in Gaul (which is roughly modern France, Belgium, and the Rhineland).
Angles and Saxons are Germanic groups that lived around the modern border between Germany and Denmark, many of whom migrated to Britain after the fall of Rome, though most of the Saxons stayed in Saxony.
Franks is more complicated. Originally it was a Germanic tribal confederation that formed around the Rhine, many of whom settled in Gaul in service of Rome, and then conquered Gaul under Clovis when Rome fell. But after that they gave their name to their new kingdom which was a blend of Franks and Gallo-Romans, who are nowadays referred to as French, but were still called Franks for most of the Middle Ages.
Similarly, Normans originally referred to Danish Vikings, but then one group of them led by Rollo swore allegiance to the French king and settled in a part of France that became known as Normandy, where they blended with the French population. After that Normans means the people of Normandy. But then the name acquired yet another meaning when the duke of Normandy William the Conqueror conquered England with an army of mostly French adventurers. William's companions became the new upper class of England, and while at the time they were generally referred to as French, historians ended up referring to them collectively as Normans.
Germanics, in some cases, actually had a more organized manner of war than the celts.
Others were absolute fucking savages, though.
"Celtic" is a susviving language group distinct from Germanic. There are also some aspects of material culture: pottery, jewelry, etc. that stand out, but really not a lot is known from before contact with the Romans. Even after contact, we have to take Roman writers' word for a lot (propaganda).
Once they came into contact with southern peoples, there was enough mixing to make it really difficult to tell from this far away what was celtic or germanic versus adopted from something mediterranean.
>Normans
>todays north france
you mean england, wales, ireland, sicily, flanders, bottom half of italy, top of france, aleppo, antioch, etc
Would it be fair to speak of Medieval and Early Modern Irish people as being "Celts"?
the time difference in which rome thrust its cock into it