Does anyone else agree that the Inca were an amazing civilization? They achieved amazing architectural feats while being stuck on a shitty continent with barely any domesticatable animals and a rough and deadly mountain range that's a terrible living environment, and I don't think they get enough credit.
The environment was good enough for llamas and potatoes to allow a civilization to exist there.
Asher Flores
>potatoes They actually developed potatoes. There are thousands of variants of potatoes, and the original one was unable for human consumption.
Check this "research center" , where they adapted crops for different conditions.
Connor Roberts
I wnder Why Argentinian natives never developed a civilization or an advanced culture of any sort, their land seems perfect for it
Hudson Rodriguez
that wasn't a research center, variation in soil content and moisture will have more effect than the 50 meters altitude difference
Jayden Cox
perfect for the crops and cattle developed in europe
Anthony Parker
maybe because they cover it?
Guaranies, and mapuches were based. There is this version that San Martin was half guarani. (at least their national drink is guarani)
Bentley Phillips
they were in the hunter/gatherer phase still, too busy warring each other for women San Martin was fully criollo. However he was born in guarani territory and probably spoke the language well.
David Long
>The temperature varies substantially (up to 15° – 20° C) between the center (warmer) and the exterior (colder) and the site reproduces more than 20 ecological areas.
so what it was?
Robert Watson
>San Martin was fully criollo.
As I said that's a version. But I wouldn't be surprised if he was half indian, many important guys of the independence were mixed. For instance Bolivar had a black grandmother (acoording to a book of Gabriel Garcia Marquez).
Anyway San Martin supported the inca plan. (An incan emperor for southamerica after the independence.)
Ian Collins
>For instance Bolivar had a black grandmother
I love how people have to go back to roodoodoo 20's Mississippi standards of race in order to make people seem mixed.
John Lopez
Are you saying we could have had a neo inca empire?
Josiah Edwards
>no wheels >no writing >no metal
They deserved to be conquered tbqh
Nolan Thompson
>no writing
False
>no metal
Gold is a metal
Now.... Kys!!
Easton Bennett
They existed for only 100 years and they already had something close to writing called qipu.
Faslling for obvious bait is why these threads get derailed by triggered stormfags.
Cooper Lewis
*falling
Asher Parker
Iberberians had all that but They lived in scattered huts and were basically celt tier tribsl savages without a political entity, meanwhile Incas had actual cities, superior architecture, an incredibly vast and articulate road System at The same level of The Roman one and were an empire with a massive army
Connor Brooks
So they stumbled across a valley that doesn't catch the breeze and is a bit colder and grew some fruits in the warm part like a greenhouse. So what?
Jason Perez
So they used it to experiment with several crops.
Colton Morris
the inca have nothing on the noble and glorious aztec culture. there shit also probably smelled bad, unlike the aztec master race. they didn't even build their capitol on a massive toilet. they weren't even trying.
Isaac Richardson
Quipu is not writing. It is a method of record keeping, but it's not writing. As far as we know, the Inca didn't use it communicate abstract ideas and it was mainly used to transmit numeric information.
Regarding metallurgy, you're not giving the Inca quite enough credit. Their silver and gold working methods were quite advanced, enough so to confuse the Spanish. They also conquered the origination point of copper and bronze working in the New World, which they utilized to some degree.
Levi Torres
Those are Chiloe potatoes, 100% Mapuche.
Liam Murphy
If the Inca Empire wasn't conquered by the spanish and fell like it was intended to, (They were kneedeep in crisis) Do you think southamerica would have ended up like the middle ages europe? With several smaller kingdoms and maybe even the Mapuche, Guarani and other less developed but still within the sphere of influence becoming more organised. Honestly these what-if scenarios make me sad
Nathan Baker
incas didn´t had the manpower to conquer pampa and mapuche peoples. Consider the better armed spaniards had almost five times more casualties fighting those than in the conquest of the inca empire. (They were really conquered in the 1880s by Argentina and Chile)
Easton Thomas
No wheel, no respect
Chase Mitchell
Tartessos was one of the main partners of Phoenicians and had everything that the natives had and more. Tbh surprassing the natives is not hard. Even the Britons were superior to them technologically
Julian Martin
>an incredibly vast and articulate road System at The same level of The Roman one >still no wheels
Caleb Myers
Everyone bred different strains of crops, the Incas were not an exception.
The thing about the Inca emperor was more like a joke. When everybody looked for legitimacy and support of some monarch after the independence in some meeting he said something like "If you want a king so much, then let's put some Inca". None of the new independent countries really came close to considering something like that.
So is spouting this shit about the wheel just a form of baiting people into curbing discussion? I see it cropping up on threads and it usually stops when people post wheels.
Oliver Allen
republicucks ruin all the fun
Christopher Ross
inca mirrors found in machu picchu
Levi Foster
Also found in machu picchu
Jayden Martin
...
Elijah Ross
also in machu picchu
Ayden Brooks
recently found in Ayawiri
Tyler King
...
Jonathan Diaz
inca weapons
Ayden Walker
Yes, but the incas came 14 centuries after the iberians were gone.
Nolan Perez
I agree, they're really underappreciated, they were much cooler than the Aztecs imo.
Samuel Carter
Tartessus is a mythological city, it's never been found, Turdetans were Not urbanized and only adopted an alphabet because They got it from their Phoenician over lord, most likely The Word Tartessus comes from The Word Tarshish which indicated areas rich in silver, in The bible and Assyrian sources it indicated The far west where Tyroans got their silver from, so both Sardinia and Iberia (a stelae with The name Tarshish was found in an ancient city in Sardinia dating to 850 BC)
Camden James
Britons had better weapons but That's it, mesoamericans were superior in every other aspect and so were The Incas
William Gomez
I like aztec philosophy, but what was inca philosophy like?
Kayden Campbell
Most scholars now think Quipu DID encode a written language. Also, using writing to express abstract ideas come later, all the earliest writings are very simple accountancy texts.
Robert Myers
No, because they didn't have horses. Small states can't defend themselves from larger ones without horses to act as a force multiplier.
Easton Martin
No draft animals = no use for wheels. >but they could use carts and wheelbarrows
Not in Peru they can't. Pic related.
Carter Jackson
source? that certainly isn't what I learned in my archeology class
Alexander Green
Tartessos has never been found but it certainly existed, we have plenty of evidence for it.
Elijah Garcia
>2753576 Any civilization with will to power mentality deserves to be conquered by a stronger more powerful civilization.
Adrian Perry
When did you study? This was all over the journals ten or more years back.
No large pack animals and highly mountainous terrain. Thus there wasn't really a need too, but yeah this was one mark against them. They still had the wheel btw, but it was used more as a children's toy than anything.
>no writing
Not true
>no metal
They were highly sophisticated metalworkers. They had no iron or steel, but were fairly advanced at gold and bronze working. They had a particular fascination with gold. Bronze was used in weaponry and farming implements.
I would highly recommend everyone in this thread to read Thomas C. Mann's 1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus.
Aaron Wilson
It's certainly more impressive than pre-christian nordicuck """""civilization"""""
Adrian Scott
I don't really know much about the philosophy, but their economy and administration were pretty fascinating.