Who were the historical Aryans who invaded the Indus Valley around 1500 BC? What did they look like, racially speaking? What do we know of them? I know they were nomads from the Pontic-Caspian steppes who were among the first to use horses. What does modern research tell us about them?
PLS no /pol/ racist/nazi propaganda. Only proper history/archeology
They looked like us modern persians
Definitely not germanic, stormniggers need to get their own culture and quit appropriating
Anyone else /truearyan/ here?
And to add, FYI they were not a race, it was just a self designated ethnicity meaning "noble"
Last thing, the Arab rape baby conquest thing is a MEME
Closest people to ancient Aryans in looks are Persians and Eastern Slavs.
Friendly reminder this is what central asian charioteers looked like in 2000 BC. What a marauding bunch they were!
Aryan Invasion Theory is false. It was made up because early British indologist did not want to accept the fact that the Upanishads, Vedic literature, math, science and architecture was native to India. They wanted to convince everyone, including the Indian people themselves that their culture and tradition came from a foreign source.
The Aryans who invaded Iran and India likely looked Europid in appearance. Say what you want about "whiteness" but it's a fact that Iranian groups like the Scythians and Alans were described has having European features, and the Tocharians were known to be Europid. The reason why today's Persians and Indians don't look very Europeans is because the Aryans in Iran mixed with Elamites and other Mesopotamian groups while the Aryans in India mixed with Dravidians.
>The Aryans who invaded Iran and India
lol
uhh...
>provides no proof whatsoever
Where'd you get this from? Did you pull it out of your ass?
Yeah, I know, "arya" means noble. Not a race, that's an old meme, yes. But I was wondering what they looked like.
forgot to warn off about persian and indian "WE WUZ" nationalists. I'm gonna be very skeptical of you as having an ideological bias unless you have some scholarly evidence.
This is a meme right? Post evidence or gtfo.
It's not "we wuz" if we literally wuz an' still are Persians muhfuggin cracka
Get out
How come Hitler adopted the word Aryans for his purposes anyway? seems rather random to choose that. Could have just sticked to germanics for his go to perfect people
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Bronze skin, thick black hair, long straight beards, blue or golden colored eyes
I just re-read it, this is Russia/Mongolia/NW China you fucking retard
We're talking about the areas of modern day Iran, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Pakistan and India
OP asked about the ones who lived on the steppe and invaded those countries
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>Aryan Invasion Theory is false
No one outside of India believes that
Many of the scythian mummies we have today are blonde
en.wikipedia.org
>In artworks, the Scythians are portrayed exhibiting European traits. In Histories, the 5th-century Greek historian Herodotus describes the Budini of Scythia as red-haired and grey-eyed. In the 5th century BC, Greek physician Hippocrates argued that the Scythians have purron (ruddy) skin. In the 3rd century BC, the Greek poet Callimachus described the Arismapes (Arimaspi) of Scythia as fair-haired. The 2nd century BC Han Chinese envoy Zhang Qian described the Sai (Scythians) as having yellow (probably meaning hazel or green), and blue eyes. In Natural History, the 1st century AD Roman author Pliny the Elder characterizes the Seres, sometimes identified as Iranians (Scythians) or Tocharians, as red-haired and blue-eyed. In the late 2nd century AD, the Christian theologian Clement of Alexandria says that the Scythians are fair-haired. The 2nd century Greek philosopher Polemon includes the Scythians among the northern peoples characterized by red hair and blue-grey eyes. In the late 2nd or early 3rd century AD, the Greek physician Galen declares that Sarmatians, Scythians and other northern peoples have reddish hair. The fourth-century Roman historian Ammianus Marcellinus wrote that the Alans, a people closely related to the Scythians, were tall, blond and light-eyed. The 4th century bishop of Nyssa Gregory of Nyssa wrote that the Scythians were fair skinned and blond haired.
Clearly the majority of "muh Aryan Migration" took place into Europe rather than India and the Middle east, as proven by the Alan/Sarmatian presence.
And Persians and Indians have always looked like semitic/dravidian trash of little to no value compared to the real Aryan steppe niggers.
t. Pajeet
>not thinking Scythians and other Iranian nomads were barbarian steppe niggers
>not believing Persians and Indians are the most valuable Indo-Iranians
blasphemy.
>Indians are incapable of knowing their own history
>Beliefs make it factual
>Who were the historical Aryans who invaded the Indus Valley around 1500 BC?
Indo-Europeans who went right instead of left.
>What did they look like, racially speaking?
Initially like Greek explanations of how non-Persian Iranic populations- that is, the Scythians or Saka of the steppe. Fair skinned, light hair, blue eyes in far greater proportion than you see today in Looland.
>What do we know of them?
Other than what we know about all other IE people (their ur-tongue and their ur-faith)?
They were essentially the Mongols of their time, riding horses and sweeping out from the steppe in a pattern that would be repeated by the Huns, the Magyars, the Mongols and countless more minor cultures in between.
They were unusually receptive to native culture. Rather than exterminating native religion and imposing their own from on high, the Aryans allowed their religion to meld with the natives.
They inserted themselves into local culture, combining it with their distinct ethnicity, ultimately resulting in the caste system.
They had some sort schism with the Persians, reflected by their respective thoughts towards the Asuras and the Daevas.
Dravidian people once existed possibly from as far as Persia (Elamic language) to India, before they (and the Indus Valley civilization they created) were swept aside/ subsumed by invading Aryans. Demographic and linguistic melding was only stopped in Southern India with the jungles and mountainsm hence the ethnic divide between Dravidians/ Tamils and the more mixed-to-Aryan population of the north.
Literally every historian who was their contemporary would disagree.
Everyone comes from somewhere.
>le out of Africa theory
Time to pack your bags, leddit.
it was large scale migration over a long period of time and not some romantic invasion like 19th century researchers make it out to be.
Where does white people come from?
africa
True Aryan reporting!
Haploshits literally confirm it was a mass invasion and even more massive rape.
Not the hood!
Tajiks are the closest to them racially speaking.
>europid
If by that you mean blonde hunter gatherers raped by aryans, this may mean something but you took the order wrong anyway.
Hi, how's it like living in the 1870s user?
Then why did Indo-Iranics always explicitly use Aryan as a self-designation for their kind?
>I'm literally lying through my asshole
Neato.
Tajiks have more actual Turkic admixture then native Persians in Iran do, by a significant degree so that is extremely doubtful. Not saying Tajik-Persians are Turkic but Turkic impact on them genetically is more significant then in Iran.
Because the Indo-Iranic language and Sanskrit share common words?
This has to be the most retarded post I've read in a very long time
Excellent rebuttal
What historians were there in 1500 BC?
Y-DNA shows that paleo-European women were romantically invaded by Big Indo-European Cock.
>chart lists the Y-DNA and mtDNA haplogroups of bodies discovered in the 20th century
>1870s
wew lad
t. Arab rape baby
Do you even know how racist arabs are? They dont even breed with other arab tribes let alone another ethnicity. They had a hard on for muh purity
Kek, they were still men, user. After killing all the men from the places they conquered they would just rape the women, that doesn't mean they would care for whatever bastard would come out of that
I don't need to rebut anything. Assuming you're the one responsible for that post, read a book instead of mindlessly shitposting. Indologists posited the invasion theory because of the overwhelming lexical and archaelogical evidence, for a time some had even suggested that the PIE had originated in northern India.
And human interactions with Neanderthals were perfectly lovely.
>Blond hunter gatherers
Pre-IE Hunter-Gatherers were not blond. They were swarthy, with dark skin and hair, and blue eyes.
Whats with Veeky Forumstorians and their rape fantasies? I mean im not saying that it didnt happen but literally every time a conquest is mentioned here people start projecting their orc rape doujins into it.
>some
Who?
Allow me to correct myself:
I was referring to Classical references to the Saka, or Scythian people, who were essentially the Iranian people who remained on the steppe, but were still undeniably Iranian, to the point where Median and certain Scythian tongues (more prominently that of the "Umman Manda" hordes) were still mutually intelligible with one another.
Scythian peoples were usually described by all the classic Greek Historians as fair-haired and white skin. While it's possible they overstated the extent since blond hair was assosciated with barbarism, it likely did not stem from nowhere, and genetics support this.
That genuinely seems to be the course of things in history. We have no examples of gradual, peaceful integrations of genes from one to another- we only have the rapid, the sudden and the violent. See: the Red Army.
what's the big deal if you're an aryan or not,
why do you peasants care? let say you are
but who cares, I'm fucking rich,
sheesh, people here always talk about some lame old shits just to forget how lame they are
The thing is that the red army got infamous because of the mass rape hinting that it isnt as normal in history as you expect. And the J1 admixture, which is pretty much the arabian peninsula admixture, occurs in negligible frequencies in Iran so that particular mass rape didnt seem to happen at all.
Horses don't seem to have been consistently ridden for warfare purposes, as in organized cavalry back then. Mounted warfare appears around the the 11th century BC so not exactly Huns, Magyars and Mongols (or even historical Scythians) back then though raiding must have been aided by the horse.
See Anthony-Brown - The Secondary Products Revolution, Horse-Riding and Mounted Warfare, particularly the Horseback Riding and Warfare section. Also, this recent article
escholarship.org
That's not constantly true. Assimilation by intermarriage or the presence of a prestige language/culture that unites initially disparate cultures in mixed regions isn't uncommon either for example, even if the communities originally didn't completely peacefuly migrate to a region. And the modern world is in history too.
Of course what you're saying is (maybe more) common too.
>And the J1 admixture, which is pretty much the arabian peninsula admixture
J1 has been found in Paleolithic Georgia (so for all we know it's a later intrusion into Arabia but we know it existed outside of it for a good while either way) and only some of its subclades could be considered as originating with the Arabic expansion.
>so that particular mass rape didnt seem to happen at all.
Oh, no disagreement there. Arabs of course had vastly less success since the Persians were not only well-established, but protected by physical barriers that managed to keep them out.
Perhaps not a 1:1 comparison, but horses did provide a tremendous economic advantage in terms of rapid transport (IE wagons) and horsepower available.
can someone explain to me what the fuck is going on in this shithole wewuz thread?
The wewuz is already over
Indian people don't use Aryan specifically as an ethnic denominator like Iranics do.
Neither do Iranians. They see themselves as Persian.
Uh, no? Aryan literally is treated by Iranian and Iranic people as a designation to separate themselves from other nationalities and non-Iranian people, hence why Anariya (Non-Iranian) and Airya (Iranian). Darius the Great's inscriptions for example describes various Scythian tribes, Medes, Persians, and others all as Aryans of the "Aryan race".
>ethnic background of Darius I
>that darius
WE
WUZ
Why is an ancient Persian depicted as a Sub-Saharan African?
Can someone pls explain this in a very broad way
>neanderthals head through the middle east into europe
>modern humans follow
>some breed with neanderthals and become not african people
>????
Then what??
Simplification. "Turan", the name of "Iran" were Iranic tribes of the steppe after all. The settled Iranic speakers, who by that time looked more like the indigenous people of the Iranian plateau (we have an Iron Age sample) than the steppe Iranians, made a distinction between the two.
>It was made up because early British indologist did not want to accept the fact that the Upanishads, Vedic literature, math, science and architecture was native to India. They wanted to convince everyone, including the Indian people themselves that their culture and tradition came from a foreign source.
All of that was on the shoulders of the Indus-Valley civilization anyway, so who gives a shit
>(F)ersians
>not always been filthy half-breed Arab mongrels that stole everything from the superior Aryan Kurds, when they settled in the region as in form of the Medes that broke from the Proto-Iranian Andronovo confederation
What simplification? It literally has only ever in Iranian languages meant to be used as a term to differ themselves from others. Turan has nothing to do with this.
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Cool argument
>superior
>got conquered
Is this a meme?
The civilization team has a history of We Wuzing and exaggerating women's roles for leaders.
>DOOD, SHOULDERS ARENT PART OF YOUR BODY LMFAO
R1a is found in all those places you literal moron
>What did they look like, racially speaking?
Extremely cute
>aryan race
Literally mostly western-eastern hunter gatherer in admixture, as in, white.
All iran sand niggers thinking aryans were anything like them nowadays are morons.
Scythians are constantly described as white, white as in platinum blonde hair, pale-rose skin and blue eyes.
Haplogroups in the region during the bronze and iron age show that they were white.
>haplomeme
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en.wikipedia.org
>The Pamiris (Tajik: Пoмиpи, Persian: پامیری) are an Iranian ethnic group who are native to the Gorno-Badakhshan Autonomous Region of eastern Tajikistan, the Badakhshan Province of northeastern Afghanistan, the Taxkorgan Tajik Autonomous County in Xinjiang, China, and the Chitral and Gilgit Baltistan regions of northern Pakistan.
>Look mom I'm samefagging my blown out bullshit again
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>this upset
Lmao god you're pathetic.
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>that projection
Sure thing, Hakim-al Saudai.
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