I'm in a dilemma

He could always get a GED couldn't he?

I earn £7.05 an hour, or just over £175 a week

He lives with me and my mum, mum pays for food and shelter so that's not a problem, but she's getting old and will be retired in a few years

The UK doesn't have any equivalent to that, its just GCSE's. If you have no GCSE's after you leave school then you have to do everything all over again (which he defo won't do).

My brother is so stupid. He's two years older. I went to college, got a good degree and make 3x what he makes. He went to college, fucked off and works stupid sales job. I gave him a bitcoin years ago when price was ~$300. Two months later he sold it cause he "needed the money" -- probably spent it on booze and weed.

I used to feel sorry for him, like "bro, you can do better than this."
Now I've decided he's just meant to be a fucking loser. Everyone can't drive a lambo.
I be like "bro, bitcoin's over two thousand" and i see he can't even comprehend what that means -- He's just thinking about how much weed that would have bought...

Some people are just idiots. Glad it's him and not me.

>I earn £7.05 an hour, or just over £175 a week

Are you a part-time worker? That's $300 Australian Dollars. That's what people get paid on government benefits here. Could this be why he's not interested?

What I'm thinking is that perhaps if he's unable to go out and socialise, he could apply to government benefits and you could encourage him to use his time in a sort of partnership with you - to run a business from home or something like that. Someone with 100% free time is much more likely to be able to succeed at something like that, so long as they ghave support-, encouragement, and some help organising their time so they don't waste it all.

When your mother dies, will she had a property to leave to you?

I could give some advice on dealing with anxiety, but is he actually motivated to overcome these anxiety issues?

I'm in the same situation than your brother and maybe I can give an aswer. He realized that wageslaving is pointless, women are shit, buying or renting a house is almost impossible and education is useless when nepotism has overrun the job market.
You should encourage him into learning a trade and becoming his own employer, maybe that'll help

>Are you a part-time worker? That's $300 Australian Dollars. That's what people get paid on government benefits here. Could this be why he's not interested?

Yeah I'm part time, and he'll be happy with any money - he doesn't turn his nose up at that, and he feels too proud to apply for benefits

>What I'm thinking is that perhaps if he's unable to go out and socialise, he could apply to government benefits and you could encourage him to use his time in a sort of partnership with you - to run a business from home or something like that. Someone with 100% free time is much more likely to be able to succeed at something like that, so long as they ghave support-, encouragement, and some help organising their time so they don't waste it all.

I'll run it past him about the benefits

>When your mother dies, will she had a property to leave to you?

We're heavily in debt, so probably not

>I could give some advice on dealing with anxiety, but is he actually motivated to overcome these anxiety issues?

Nope.

Bit cynical, but regardless he knows nothing and I've tried everything, but you can lead a horse to water but can't make him drink. Still, worth a shot.

Thanks for the replies.

>He has an anxiety problem and didn't go to school, he has no qualifications
this is for the most part, impossible to overcome and he will lead a mediocre life on the material side of things

If he lacks motivation to change, he won't change unless something forces the issue. Did something traumatic happen to him in school? Give us a better background on why he's become like this?

time to visit gandy

I'm starting to believe this. Personally I had pretty bad anxiety, but somehow I managed to overcome it. Him, not so much.

Nothing traumatic, he just got bullied a little bit. The worst thing that happened to him was someone pulling his pants and trousers down in front of everyone at school. After that it just kinda went downhill... but he's a good guy, doesn't do drugs, doesn't drink, he's just fucking lazy and a bit sort sighted about life.

Mother was depressed and spent a lot of time in bed for a good few years after my dad left us so maybe that's impacted him as well.

Curiously my cousin has the exact same problem but a lot worse, and she does fuck all as well.

32 here, good job
45 year old brother, can't hold a job for 2 weeks and still acts like he is 16

My parents currently cover him.. and they have started the talks with me about cutting him loose (financially) and how I should manage things after they pass away.

Both me and parents tried all the talks, did not work.

if hes really good at the video games he could try streaming i guess.

So you're saying leave him to it?
He gets sweaty and jittery even when he starts talking to people over mic

Suggest to him a part time job which doesn't require much interaction with customers, like as a baker or night team shelf stacker at Tesco. Offer to help him write a CV and, if he agrees, hand it in on behalf of him. A friend of mine was a complete shut in at 23, had never had a job, and turned around completely when he was hired at the local Morrison's to work on the Deli counter. Alternatively, he could do an Access to higher education diploma or HND in something he finds interesting.

>Access to higher education
Sounds like a good plan, maybe I have to step up and help him in his shortcomings.

Thing is, we live in the middle of buttfuck nowhere and he gets anxious at the thought of public transport.

You complete the diploma online, mostly consisting of written coursework sent via email and a few exams on Skype. Usually takes 9-10 months to complete and you set your own deadlines. Only downside is it's about a grand IIRC.

OK I'll mention it. Thanks.

>Rent a car
>Take him for a day-long adventure
>Drive to a city at least 3 hours away
>Spend the entire day going into stores with him, get him to interact with others
>Have him perform missions - for example force him to ask the cashier about places in the city to visit
>Go in with him a few times and sperg out or say ridiculous things, embarrass him but let him see that it won't kill him and that people will mostly have forgotten about it after a few hours
>In other words, teach him how to fail and embarrass himself in a safe situation where he knows he isn't going to have to deal with these people again
>At the end of the day, buy him something decent as a reward, maybe a new pair of shoes or something he can wear that'll make him more confident
>Now, do this same thing every single month for a year

Victims of bullying have often internalised a stance of submission towards those they're afraid of. He needs to learn to put his own life ahead of other people's perception of him. He needs to be taught that being assertive of his own interests and social rights is a GOOD and moral thing. He needs to be taught that if things get really bad, there is no problem walking out of a job or of telling someone they're a cunt. Especially if you live in a small town or something, it's important for him to overcome that shit now and build strength. Go find those quotes by David Icke on how being the laughing stock of a nation was actually a great experience for him.

>He'll say something like 'dunno' or make a joke but won't take anything to heart
just count to 5 in your head then calmy ask again
repeat until you get through the layer of irony protecting his mind

you can't solve this in 10 seconds dude.

also - take this to /soc/ or /adv/

Oh I've tried. Every time I ask him questions of that nature either he gets avoidant or flippant, then doesn't do anything about it
I try to get him out of the house, but he doesn't want to. He goes to the shops now and again but that's it.
I didn't even know there was an advice board... thanks

Ok so your brother is the same as me, what he needs is a doctor to fix him asap, He is suffering depression and has no hope. I've been in his position since 15 and i'm 31 now. I've only just began to sort myself out, the last few years. Going on /pol/ helped me a lot with motivation.
Unironically watching Jordan Peterson videos helped me the most.
He is using gaming as an escape from any responsibility, he probably thinks about suicide a lot. When he says "dunno" that means he doesn't want to give you a real answer as he is ashamed.
Best thing for him is forcing him to go to doctor/psychiatrist asap.

>Best thing for him is forcing him to go to doctor/psychiatrist asap.

First of all, sorry to hear about your depression. It sucks.

He ain't suicidal though, he ain't depressed. He's just happy in his little world, and fuck getting him anti-depression pills. They fucked my mum up good and they don't help anyone.

Motivation will probably come with age... you can't teach that. If only there was a way to instill some sort of work ethic...

I don't really have an advice, but wanted to ask, what kinds of games does he like to play?

Im 24 ane my brother 27, ive been working in my field for some years now, still working through school (work in and study IT/biz). My brother graduated years ago and has yet to work anything other than retail jobs, throwing away his degree basically which hes still paying off loans for. He says he wants to move up but shows no signs. He has been depressed and has taken medication which has helped him be happier but not motivated. Good looking smart and charming, so he wouldnt have issues if he just tried. We dont come from a rich family he knows mommy and daddy wont be able to help.

What would you say?

beat him

Why does that matter?... He pirates every type of genre
I don't bloody know
I'll beat you

The only thing we can do is lead the horse to water.. but we can't make them drink.

oldfag here
OP first of all your brother and you are still young
I didnt start getting my shit together until my late twenties... I simply had no mentors and career path that seemed worth the effort
but I went from wake-and-bake superslacker to busting my ass and now Im well on my way to become a superstar in my field. so things can turn around.

two pieces of advice come to mind
1) do some psychedelics like magic mushrooms and/or ayahuasca with your brother. it will probably be life-changing for both of you

2) what is your brother interested in? encourage him to go after that full-on

3) keep him away from shrinks and anti-depressants. a GOOD therapist might be able to help, but most are fucking hacks. anti-depressants literally kill people

4) IMO what your brother lacks is male guidance and role models. get him to follow his interests and connect with people he wants to emulate

not sure if this is helpful at all
but this is what helped me get my shit together

godspeed to you OP

so fucking tired of seeing so much hate for jews, fuck off

1. We smoke weed occasionally when I bring some back from Uni where I've brought this up, but again, I feel like he just says what I want to hear and doesn't follow anything up.

2. He's interested in playing videogames and piano, but can't play in front of others (he's great when he's in a room alone, its so sad)

3. Yeah too right mate

4. Maybe I need to be more of a role model in future.

Godspeed to you too, user. It was helpful. Thanks.

You fuck off, Hymie you cunt.

Seriously man, he's depressed. He won't tell you he's depressed. He won't let on about it. He'll smile and laugh and enjoy his games but in the end he's accepted a bad ending. He probably knows that the moment he leaves his bubble it all crashes. he's no longer the cool guy who's good at games. He's just some guy who sucks at life. Why would he willingly stop playing games?

I'm not sure I have much good advice. If he doesn't pull out of this nosedive himself there's not much you can do. Be there for him when shit hits the fan, he'll likely need you there to rebuild him in the months after. It's not your job to do it, it's unfair of him to put that on you, but if you love him it'll make the transition much easier. Can he drive?

Hey, OP, if you're still around, your brother sounds exactly like me. First of all, please ignore that dangerous advice to self-medicate with street drugs and weed. Just. Don't. I'm diagnosed with severe ADHD with anxiety issues as well and there's a very good chance that he's in the same boat as me. ADHD is not simply about being hyperactive, which is just a symptom, but primarily the inability/difficulty for the brain to self motivate, ignore distractions, focus on what's important, and plan into the future towards actionable goals like a normie brain could.

Left untreated, no amount of folk psychology or motivational talk therapy will help, because the brain doesn't have the required chemical/physiological scaffolding to 'snap out of it' and be self-sufficient. So because the ADHD brain for one reason or another have disrupted release of the chemical rewards responsible for all the things that make a person able to tolerate boredom and achieve, it will just be locked in reward-seeking behavior in the form of immediate stimuli, i.e. video games, internet, porn, etc. without end. Lacking these internal servo-mechanisms for delayed gratification, focus and concentration also often means great difficulty at regulating one's emotions as well. As an added bonus, ADHD usually comes as a package deal among other mental disorders, eg. anxiety, depression, bipolar, autism, etc. It's truly a debilitating illness but not without hope because it's completely treatable in most people with medication in the form of stimulants and cognitive therapy, but the former is crucial. (1/2)

OP, if I'm right, you're gonna have to do a bit of research and treat your brother's mental situation as you would if he had a physical disease. After all, the brain is just as physical as the body but infinitely more complex. You may want to start looking at some self-assessment tests online for your brother, some videos on youtube by Dr. Russell Barkley, and if you suspect that you're on the right track, you take his ass, with the full support and understanding of everyone else in your family, to a psychiatrist who is well versed in the field and get him professionally assessed and treated ASAP. He will be a new man. Good luck to you, OP. And I hope i've helped anyone else who sees themselves in OP's shoes or that of his brother's. (2/2)

Fuck off Hannah