Alexander the """"Great""""

No idea OP. Here's some text from Iranians in middle Persian describing what Alexander was really like.
>But then, the sinful, corrupt and deceitful spirit, in order to cause people doubt this religion, illusioned/led astray that Alexander the Roman, resident of Egypt, and sent him to Iran with much anger and violence. He murdered the ruler of Iran and ruined court, and the religion, as all the Avesta and Zand (which were) written on the ox-hide and decorated with water-of-gold (gold leaves) and had been placed/kept in Stakhr of Papag, in the 'citadel of the writings.' That wretched, ill-fated, heretic, evil/sinful Alexander, The Roman, who was dwelling in Egypt, and he burned them up.

Iran was one of the most prosperous places in the world back then. While Alexander did all of the above described and much more. Persepolis was burned to the ground, not to mention the unknown hundreds of villages and settlements he burned to the ground during his invasion of southern Iran.

Alexander will be remembered in countries like mine for what he really was - a murdering, a drunken usurping illegitimate barbarian. We don’t call him “the Great”, he's called “Eskandar-e Gojastak” which means “Alexander the Damned”.

People like Cyrus should be called great. Alexander obtained the Persian empire. Cyrus built it.

Literally Mongol/ottoman tier.

Alexander was Bulgarian

Bulgarians didn't exist back then

>text from Iranians in middle Persian
>describing what Alexander was really like

as if they're reliable narrators. PIDF pls, your pathetic armies were destroyed in the open field and your nations were Hellenized.

>speaks greek
>is greek

go to bed Darius your left wing is failing

Umm, proof sweetie?
Alexander of Macedon. You know, the ethnically bulgarian country?

This. Also never forget what he did to the brave Tyrians

>modern Macedon

joke country invented on some literal WE WUZ shit.

go to bed prince of Macedon

>joke country invented on some literal WE WUZ shit.
Why are you so aggressive? :^)
Alexander came from Macedonia. Macedonia is populated by Bulgarians. Therefore Alexander was Bulgarian.
We were conquerors

>we were conquerors
>WE
>WUZ
>ALEXANDER N SHIEET

fuck off eastern European barely-white trash

>pathetic armies
You mean the same pathetic armies which ruled Greece for thirty years?

The Greeks beat the Persians because Alexander had a more mobile army in comparison to the large but rigid Achmenaid one.

We fought for centuries for it you prick, we are a joke, and wewuzism is cancer but we have a right to or own country you autistic memer

You seem upset.
:^)

He's obviously memeing you daft cunt you're falling for 2nd grade tier bait, we are white tho you stupid fucking weeb

>he doesn't wear bronze armor
>his spear is only 2meters long
>m-muh archers, MUH IMMORTALS

>we we we we

not even trying to hide that you're from the modern republic of Macedon which has absolutely no connection to Alexander the Great or any of his successor kingdoms

It's the biggest joke country on the planet, desperately trying to take credit or draw lineage back to alexander when your area of the world has has had its genetic population massively changed and uprooted since then

Okay so two things are wrong with this you fucking gorm
>2000+ of history doesn't alter the demographics of an area
>If you actually knew your modern macedonian politics you'd know there's a huge spat between Greece and Modern Macedonia over that fact they named their country that, even though the actual historical Macedonia is part of Northern Greece

I'm not even the guy you've been replying to, learn your shit.

>2000+ of history doesn't alter the demographics of an area
Umm, proof sweetie?
Yeah, didn't think so :)
>If you actually knew your modern macedonian politics you'd know there's a huge spat between Greece and Modern Macedonia over that fact they named their country that, even though the actual historical Macedonia is part of Northern Greece
Greek we-wuzism has always been around. Does't make it any more accurate.

Genetic studies show we've always been there and are the same group, stop hate-larping because you cant handle the truth

Wanna show some proof or keep talking out your ass?

>Alexander had a more mobile army

Not only that, it was also better drilled and equipped. And they were free men, man for man likely stronger and more resilient too.

>armies which ruled Greece for thirty years
haha no (Thrace and Macedonia) =/= Greece

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Plataea
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Persian_Wars#Greek_counterattack_.28479.E2.80.93478_BC.29

In fact the Persians ended up more btfo then they were before. It's a common pattern in Greco-Persian relations.

>we

how do you think I know you're either a)trolling or b)hopelessly bias and therefore not worth talking to in the first place? Well the two-letter word I quoted of course.

Have a nice day.

>Umm, proof sweetie
Name me a country that hasn't had demographic change in 2000 years
>Greekwewuzism
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pella
Look at this and pic related, modern Macedonia is a slavic country grasping at a legacy that isn't theirs. The slavic migration westwards hadn't even occurred at the time of Ancient Macedon and Greek City States. Gorm.

Cyrus the Great > Alexander the Great.

Butthurt Persian please go

>Name me a country that hasn't had demographic change in 2000 years
You're the one making the claim, babycakes

You're also forgetting that Alexander also emulated Darius by trying to merge Greek and Persian culture together. Of course you probably aren't aware of the fact Darius did this almost two centuries earlier when he kept encouraging Ionian Greek and Persian/Mede nobles to intermarry with each other and establish a new hybrid gentry in Anatolia.

Alexander the Great was the last King of Kings

Point is, you can't. Every single country has been subjected to demographic change at certain points in time. Look at England, France, Russia etc.

No.

Not him, but most not *ALL* have that issue.

>who is Napoleon

Excuse me sir.

>we wuz Alexander and shiet

like you'd know there's virtually no source material to work with and Herodotus just talked him up so that we could compare him with how shitty the later kings were so he could argue that degeneracy ruined the Persian Empire, so nobody really knows what Cyrus was actually like, all we know is that he united a bunch of ethnic groups that had all gone independent after the fall of the Assyrians, and we don't even know how he did it or what his army was really like. Alexander's story might be filled with just as much embellishment, but at least there's an eye for certain strasteria and tactical moves that we can work with, we've got nothing of the sort on Cyrus, no way of knowing if he just swarmed his enemies with overwhelming numbers, had an elite small army that won through tactics and good strategy, or if he was indeed a diplomatic power that won territory through fear and negotiation, nobody really knows.

*strategy

Why should I hide it? I'm proud of where I'm from regardless, where are you from that are so high and mighty? In not even trying to claim lineage, try to read next time.

The modern republic is a part of the geographical region of Macedonia, hence the name, the Republics borders are 100% withing the geographic region so its name is not an issue.

>ottoman/mongol tier

Those people also fucked yours up you iranian nigger.

Who's this irrelevant faggot? Never heard of him.

Slavic Macedonians have nothing to be proud of

This just in: winner of many fights described by losers as a terrible person!

>virtually no source material to work with
Wrong.

>muh statues and tablets that amount to "Cyrus conquered this place fyi"

as I said, virtually no source material. Certainly no historians or contemporary texts to work with, just the remains of architecture and statues with engravings of incredibly generalized events with no details whatsoever. Your primary source is a Greek historian from hundreds of years after the fact.

Tutored by /ourboy/ Aristotle.

You're the pleb.

>who is HHH

Isn't this most likely just a myth?

you can take the Greek historians from this period with a grain of salt.

They were constructing a great myth to rival the illiad and odyssey, it's hard to tell fact from fiction, but at least the general strategic and tactical moves are somewhat reliable. Shit like alexander charging across the river crossing at Darius, almost getting killed and then saved by his companions, seems too "hollywood" to be true, it's hard to tell how much of it is lies to elevate Alexander to the mythical hero status like Hercules or Achilles.

We need time travel for historical accuracy, and finally outing a stop to Anglo revisionism kek

Why didnt Alexander have a son or daughter to leave his empire to?

he had a son, but he was killed

>Enormous chunk of Eurasia

Still wrong, idiot and I'm not going to spoon feed you.

well if you're gonna rely on special, secret history you won't share with the rest of us we won't be able to have much of a historical discussion

more eurasia than you ever conquered

Do you guys think his boipussy was tight?

fuck off retard

>Implying Achaemenid Persia wasn't already in decline.

Its not working for (You).

Yes and no. It was reversing the decline when Artaxerxes III was in power but he was assassinated/murdered by Bagoas. Under Atraxerxes III, the Achaemenid Empire's authority was revived, revolt of various governors and other satraps put down, Egypt pacified again and he actively blocked and checked Philip II's power plays and political movements in Greece until his death.

It would've been something else entirely had Alexander gone against a strong ruler like him instead of a weak one like Darius III.

Retarded thracians thinking they are Makedónes lol

>It would've been something else entirely had Alexander gone against a strong ruler like him instead of a weak one like Darius III.

No, the phalanx was unbeatable back then. The only chance Persia had was if Philip didn't get assassinated and asked for Asia minor only instead of the whole Empire.

>No
>Let me make an absolute statement with no quantification or proof of my claims because x would not change even if y did
Stupid.

You were the same thing destroying prosperous places like Egypt and the Levant.

Literally Mongol/ottoman tier

He wasn't even that great, to be honest.

>tfw Mesopotamia stopped inventing stuff after the Persians conquered it

Good article. Alexboos BTFO

You are retarded if you honestly think this.

>no arguments

Not a valid argument.

albanian*

10 years, not 30.

Because he reversed the constant trend of the East invading the West in his era.

>Pretty unclimatic
His death kicked off a clusterfuck superwar. The period right after his death is the kind of shit a fantasy novel starts with for it's premise.

Another thread raped by alireza losangeleszahdes

The Emperor of Emperors

He did.

Legend is though, that when he was on his deathbed and asked who should rule after him, he said "the strongest."

Some also say he pointed to so and so, referring to them as the strongest, other accounts have him just uttering the words, and others of course make no mention of it whatsoever so the whole thing could just be pure bullshit. Alexander is one of those guys where it's hard to separate the legend from the man because he had a tendency to say and do romantic stuff like that. It's like how Napoleon dared those soldiers to shoot him. The power of charisma and balls.

he was literally tutored by Aristotle you fucking retard, that is an historical fact.

Probably because he was the most hardcore motherfucker to ever walk the earth

>thirty years is an accomplishment

>conquering two continents as king of a backwater province is not an accomplishment

Go away, Mahmud.

Second best. Cyrus the Great is still the best.

naw pham Cyrus was great but Alexander was a lunatic. like a monster from mythology. look at his legacy

Nah, Cyrus is better.

Cyrus was a faggot.

that must be why no one outside of Iran knows him

nice tomb though

Wrong.

Low quality bait.

Thomas Jefferson is from Iran?

pham you would be hard pressed to find a place where the name of Alexander is not known. Even the jungle tribes of Africa know him

Cyrus meanwhile is a 1000 dollar Jeopardy answer

Tangent wasn't about how well or not well known Alexander is, stay on target.

>Cyrus meanwhile is a 1000 dollar Jeopardy answer
(You) claimed he's only known in Iran. That is categorically and factually wrong.