White people with blonde hair

Oh fug

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And the Pamiris of the Pamir mountains still have a high porportion of blondes

WE

Eurasia is a big continent and easy to get around. Finding people with western ancestry in China is not more surprising than hear Huns knock on your wall.

Lol wtf we got a gross rabid leftist here

The election was 6 months ago let it go

This is the land of the high Pamirs. The blue lapis lazuli found in Egyptian tombs came from this region.

WUZ

>I've never actually met people from Central Asia: the thread

There's a rather big range of phenotypes in that area. Most are short and tanned with dark hair and eyes. But there's millions of them who are pale with light hair and light eyes. Red hair in particular is more common than you'd think, as far east as Mongolia.

The whites in Central Asia today are genotypically distinct from the Tarim mummies, however

Genghis khan had red hair didn't he?

I don't get out of my country much. Please tell me of your adventures in the Orient.

The Indo-Iranics of the Tarim was TURKICED before being MONGOLED, MANCHUED, HANED.

Although if you count the T'ang expansion to the Tarim, they were HANED earlier too I guess.

>azns are found in Britain
>Europeans are found in China
Perhaps our ancestors simply traveled?

if white people don't exist, then racism doesn't exist since you said racism was invented by white people, who don't exist thus racism doesn't exist

Manly af

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Red hair and green eyes.

Its not surprising as mongolia is a hub for mix between Eurasian genes.

The most prolific historic period was during the Xiongnu confederacy which was a multi-ethnic nomadic empire/confederacy where regular intermingling was common. Mongol itself was a multiethnic empire as well. Inbetween those two period and before and after those periods, sex and procreation between the multi-racial happened regularly.

Why does the guy on the left look like a jew?

See
(((Sughdian Merchant)))

youve never heard of Lin Goldxiao?

>Oy vey praise YHW-I mean Buddha

No, but I've read about a shrewd 1400s Chinese merchant called Xi Wangberg

I wonder how long the one on the left had to wear his ear gauges.

heh

>Tang'd
Fixed

Also Sogdian had Sogdian language, not Turkic. Before the Muslim period, the indo-iranic Tarim was Buddhacized(Indianized). The Tocharians were using brahmic script, they were converting to Buddhism. Yeuzhi/Kushans were devout Buddhists.

The nose knows.

Okay that's pretty funny

wtf

>muh white race
Amerifats kill yourselves pls

top kek

Don't any of you people actually read, or do research? Indo-Europeans introduced the Chariot and other technologies to China, which led to China becoming an organized collection of peoples.

Majority of Iranic people were either wiped out in Central Asia/Steppes or fled back Westwards toward what makes up Tajikistan, Afghanistan, parts of Northwestern Pakistan, and Iran and parts of the Caucasus. Not familiar with China but I imagine Hunnic/Turkic people probably wiped out the local communities of Iranics or assimilated them till they disappeared.

Why are leftists so homophobic?

> Indo-Europeans introduced the Chariot and other technologies to China, which led to China becoming an organized collection of peoples.
>The Chinese are a civilization.
>The Indo-Euroniggers remained barbarians horseniggers
???

>Wiped out
The invasions weren't Holocausts, my /pol/ friend.

Especially since Nomadic Chieftains were far more happy if you just submitted and added your tribe to his confederacy.

Who said they were Holocasts, my false-flagging retarded friend? The displacement, assimilation, and migration of Iranics from the Steppes happened over centuries, not in a single event.

Xiongnu were ruled by whites (mongoloids adopted white scythian lifestyle)

the Xiongnu name could be a cognate of Scythian, Saka and Sogdia, corresponding to a name for Northern Iranians.[24][71] According to Beckwith the Xiongnu could have contained a leading Iranian component when they started out, but more likely they had earlier been subjects of an Iranian people and learned from them the Iranian nomadic model.[24]

In the UNESCO-published History of Civilizations of Central Asia, its editor János Harmatta concludes that the royal tribes and kings of the Xiongnu bore Iranian names, that all Xiongnu words noted by the Chinese can be explained from a Scythian language, and that it is therefore clear that the majority of Hsiung-nu tribes spoke an Eastern Iranian language

Xiongnu art is harder to distinguish from Saka or Scythian art

>the Xiongnu name could be a cognate of Scythian, Saka and Sogdia, corresponding to a name for Northern Iranians.[24][71] According to Beckwith the Xiongnu could have contained a leading Iranian component when they started out, but more likely they had earlier been subjects of an Iranian people and learned from them the Iranian nomadic model.[24]
Except it isnt.

Xiongnu (匈奴) itself is a Chinese name already.
Meanwhile, the Chinese call the Saka 塞 (Sai).

>hol up we taught da chinese everything!! we wuz gods n shit

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>the Xiongnu name could be a cognate of Scythian, Saka and Sogdian

in Chinese Sogdian was: 粟特 Mandarin sùtè; also "Nafupo" (納縛溥)

The Chinese used the term Sai (Chinese: 塞; Old Chinese: *sˤək), for Sakas who had moved into the Tarim Basin.
>who had moved into the Tarim Basin.

Xiongnu were a separate group of Scythians hence a different name

Chinese had called Khotan Yutian (于闐), another more native Iranian name occasionally used was Jusadanna (瞿薩旦那)

>very tall

No

The Chariot is a very specific brand of tech that did reach China from the Indo-Europeans. Other than that was possibly metalworking and much later on, horseback riding. But that was pretty much it.

>mongoloid
>white scythian

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>According to Beckwith the Xiongnu could have contained a leading Iranian component when they started out, but more likely they had earlier been subjects of an Iranian people and learned from them the Iranian nomadic model.[24]
This is because they drove out the Yeuzhi. Its very likely the Xiongnu rose against Yeuzhi. Xiongnu drove them out afterall. Yeuzhi were once a dominant force before the Xiongnu, so cultural similarities may have arisen from there.

>Xiongnu were ruled by whites
In the US, Afghans aren't white. Indians aren't white. Pakistanis aren't white. The Yeuzhi remnants formed the Kushan empire, afghan/pakistan/nw india. If they're not white, then Xiongnu leadership certainly couldn't be white.

If you're speaking of whether they're indo-iranian, they might be or they might not be. There is no certain way to tell.

>just call them indo-europeans
>and call them all Indo despite the fact they didn't originate in the Indian sub-continent, but rather because a small offshoot settled there

they were white blondes

nobody originated in the Indian sub-continent you ignoramus

They're not indo-european. They're indo-iranian. They don't speak european language or aren't from europe. They're speaking an iranic language and are from the asia.

nice strawman

white anglos moved to jamaica and fucked a few slaves, by your logic that makes jamaicans white

by your claims that makes white anglos black

>nobody originated in the Indian sub-continent you ignoramus
what are veddoids/australoids

>In the US, Afghans aren't white.
Not according to the US Census

>The Census Bureau defines White people as follows:

>"White" refers to a person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East or North Africa. It includes people who indicated their race(s) as "White" or reported entries such as Irish, German, Italian, Lebanese, Arab, Moroccan or Caucasian.[2]

>Additionally, people who reported Muslim (or a sect of Islam such as Shi'ite or Sunni), Jewish, Zoroastrian, or Caucasian as their "race" in the "Some other race" section, without noting a country of origin, are automatically tallied as White.[18] The US Census considers the write-in response of "Caucasian" or "Aryan" to be a synonym for White in their ancestry code listing.[19]

>DNA is European

have they done genetic tests on the tarim mummies?

caucasoid is the most flexible and convenient phenotypical grouping that is extended to include superficial "caucasoids" (that actually belong to other races)

mixed groups such as north africans, middle easterners, indians, hispanics (mestizos), amerindians, ainus, east africans, central asian turkics, have all been labelled caucasoid due to weak superficial similarities.

it is ignorant and supremacist to favor the caucasoid grouping over non-caucasoid when labelling mixed groups

truth is:
north africans are a mix of west africans, east africans, mediterraneans and arabs

middle easterners are a mix of west africans, east africans, mediterraneans, iranians and indians

hispanics (mestizos) are a mix of africans, amerindians, europeans, arabs

indians are a mix of native veddoids, elamites, arabs, mongoloids, iranians

central asians are a mix of mongoloids, iranians, indians

caucasoid is misapplied as the default race for anyone that exhibits superficial traits as: straight hair, non-snub nose, non-everted lips, round eyes

fact is caucasoid grouping is abused, misused and misapplied

>what are veddoids/australoids
just another offshoot of early humans that migrated out of Africa as far as I know

>The Tocharians were using Sogdian script
ftfy

native script is:
Bactria-Margiana script and
Sogdian alphabet

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bactria-Margiana_Archaeological_Complex#Material_culture
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sogdian_alphabet

The discovery of a single tiny stone seal (known as the "Anau seal") with geometric markings from the BMAC site at Anau in Turkmenistan in 2000 led some to claim that the Bactria-Margiana complex had also developed writing, and thus may indeed be considered a literate civilization. It bears five markings strikingly similar to Chinese "small seal" characters, but such characters date from the Qin reforms of roughly 100 AD, while the Anau seal is dated by context to 2,300 BCE. It is therefore an unexplained anomaly. The only match to the Anau seal is a small jet seal of almost identical shape from Niyä (near modern Minfeng) along the southern Silk Road in Xinjiang, assumed to be from the Western Han dynasty.[11]

But in independent studies of the inscription, two experts in ancient Chinese — Dr. Qui Xigui of Beijing University and Dr. Victor H. Mair of Penn — concluded that the characters were much like a more advanced script practiced in the Western Han dynasty of 206 B.C. to A.D. 9.

Influences from Central Asia or farther west might have contributed to the invention of Chinese writing. Dr. Mair, who holds that such influences were greater than previously thought, has raised this controversial point. "The Anau seal forces us to rethink in a most radical fashion the origins of the Chinese script," he said.

Afghans aren't arabs. Pakistanis aren't arabs. Indians aren't arabs.

The supreme court specifically said Indians and Pakistanis aren't white in the United States v. Bhagat Singh Thind.

Kinda defeats the purpose of what the original poster was trying to say. Using current day racial history to define historical ethnic nomadic people's race. Not only do the geo-political of the current day not exist in ancient world, even some of the linguistic groups don't exist in ancient times to classify them using modern linguistic group and modern racial theories.

>caucasoid grouping is abused, misused and misapplied

It's pretty funny.

I think they do for census purposes.

>The legal and social definitions of whiteness in the United States have varied throughout the country's history. Persons of North African and Middle Eastern descent, for example, were classified as nonwhite until the 1940s. Conversely, persons of South Asian descent were classified as white until the 1980s, until they were reclassified as Asian. In light of survey data indicating that many people from the Middle East and North Africa do not identify, and are never perceived to be, white, the government is considering reclassifying these persons as nonwhite.

>silk, metallurgy, wheel, chariot, composite bow, domesticated the horse, farming techniques, equestrianism

Wheat and millet introduced to china from the west. Although westerners think of china as a solely rice-based civilization, wheat and other grains are very important in northern china even today. Also vines and wine and other foodstuffs were introduced from the west.

It is important to remember that Xi'an, the capital of the Han dynasty , is quite far west, and close to the western corridor of Gansu, which leads to the tocharians.

The importance of the horse and chariots to chinese ciliizations can not be overemphasized. It was clearly inteoduced from the west, from indoeuropeans who developed the technology.

The tocharians, bactrians, soghdians were all city based, and highly developed ciliizations. The Han dynasty refers to greek bactira as DaYuan, and chinese travellers highly praised their cities and products, and the prosperous, industrious and peaceful inhabitants. The silk road was created to trade with DaYuan.

The nomadic steppe peoples such as scythians also had aspects of highly developed civilization, such as techincally refined and beautiful gold and iron working and clothing. Also they must have corralled their horses somewhere, implying they had at least semipermanent settlements. Probly similar to how the huns had one major tentcity as their capital in europe. They werent just nomads, but probly a seminomadic civilization.

The chinese learned buddhism from the missionary efforts of grecobactrian buddhist kindgdoms and tocharians.

There are more examples of cultural and technological innovations that spread from the indoeuropean west to china, and there was a lot of back and forth even before the silk road.

So the South Asians aren't socially white and were only "legally" white from the 40s to 80s. 40 years.

You now realize that 80s to 2017s is almost 40 years.

>be prehistoric Central Asian
>member of heavy-bearded, aquiline-nosed Yamna, Afanasevo, Andronovo, Tocharian, Scythian, Bactrian, Sogdian
>invent the wheel and chariot
>first to domesticate the horse
>build prehistoric cities
>meet innocent looking Eskimo-like people in the periphery of your civilization, in the tundra
>teach them your ways of the horse and lifestyle, transfer your knowledge and technology
>they adopt and adapt to your Scythian ways
>they expand from their tundra, permafrost territory
>gradually take ownershership of Scythian clay
>for the next couple eons you fail against their onslaughts
>indigigenous Scythians of Asia is now replaced by Mongolids

>build prehistoric cities

No, you don't, those are villages

>Silk
>Hurr
Very Chinese. The Yangshao culture down south started it.

>It is important to remember that Xi'an, the capital of the Han dynasty , is quite far west, and close to the western corridor of Gansu, which leads to the tocharians.
It was only important because it was the capital of the first Emperor of China. If others won the Warring States, their capital would be held in equal esteem.

>The tocharians, bactrians, soghdians were all city based, and highly developed ciliizations. The Han dynasty refers to greek bactira as DaYuan, and chinese travellers highly praised their cities and products, and the prosperous, industrious and peaceful inhabitants. The silk road was created to trade with DaYuan.

Greeks =/= those other people.

>The nomadic steppe peoples such as scythians also had aspects of highly developed civilization, such as techincally refined and beautiful gold and iron working and clothing. Also they must have corralled their horses somewhere, implying they had at least semipermanent settlements. Probly similar to how the huns had one major tentcity as their capital in europe. They werent just nomads, but probly a seminomadic civilization.

The slur "Angmo" (Redhead) dated from that time, when Chinks thought of the Iranics as nothing more than barbarians. It's literally the oldest Chinese racial slur.

>the fundamentals of? civilization - organized village life, agriculture, the domestication of animals, weaving," (including mining and metal work) "originated in the oases of Central Asia long before the time of Babylon.

the Oxus civilization, Transsaxonia, Khwarezm, Herat, Bactrian, Sogdian, Sakastan, Khotan, Khasgar, Yarkand, Balkh, Merv, Trypillian civilization,
Hittite civilization etc

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/4000-year-old-Aryan-city-discovered-in-Russia/articleshow/6683681.cms

which leads us to Anau, Merv, and other ancient lost cities

>Ruins of over 150 ancient settlements dating back to the early Bronze Age (2500-1700 BCE) have been found in the Murgab delta region which covers an area of more than 3000 sq. km. and contains about 78 oases.

heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/merv/gonur.htm

>We like Anau because it was occupied for almost every period. Deposits stretch from the earliest village way of life (4500 BCE) to a Bronze Age town (2300 BCE) to a walled classical city (2nd c. BCE)
heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/nisa/anau.htm

>As with Gonur, Kelleli is a Bronze Age (2500-1200 BCE) settlement located some 40 km northwest of Gonur.

discovermagazine.com/2006/nov/ancient-towns-excavated-turkmenistan
heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/merv/gonur3.htm

>Qin
A powerful red-haired Caucasoid from the Western frontier uses Western inventions such as the chariot to invade the East and conquers all the yellow-skinned submissive Mongoloids and rules over them. He institutes strict laws and standards throughout his empire to dominate and control his subjects and this leads to the Chinese cultural identity.

>Han
Chinese Mongoloid peasants rebel and oust their Caucasoid masters and make a peasant their supreme emperor. Thanks to all the technology and culture brought to them by their Western conquerors, the Chinese experience a golden age.

>3 Kingdoms
Constant warfare between a bunch of peasants who want to be emperor. Someone writes a bullshit novel about them 1000 years later making them superheroes.

>Sui then Tang
A northern Turkic people called the Xianbei conquer all of China. Tang is another golden age where Western culture is prevalent. For instance, the beauty standard is imported from Caucasoid Turkic northerners and fat lewd chicks are seen as the ultimate sex symbol.

>Liao then Jin
Northern steppe warriors invade and conquer half of China and enslave the Chinese population.

>Yuan
Founded by Genghis Khan (who had red hair according to historical documents) and his Mongolian descendants. They first conquer Jin, which is already foreign-occupied, and then they conquer Song and rape all the Chinese women. Chinese are relegated to the lowest social class in the multi-ethnic Yuan empire.

>Ming
Chinese peasants rebel and oust the Mongols. They once again make a peasant their supreme emperor.

>Qing
Northern steppe warriors called the Manchu invade and conquer all of China and subjugate the entire population. They force all Chinese men to shave half their head and massacre 30 million Chinese.

>Modern
Japan defeats Qing in a war and liberates the Chinese from 300 years of Manchu domination. Later, Japan weakens the KMT, and Communist peasants take over China.

Oh yeah, some popsci articles, now you've convinced me

Besides civilization in Mesopotamia began with Eridu so much earlier than any of those weird central Asian villages.

>Ruins of over 150 ancient settlements dating back to the early Bronze Age (2500-1700 BCE) have been found in the Murgab delta region which covers an area of more than 3000 sq. km. and contains about 78 oases.

Settlements are not cities, they were not urbanized.

WE WUZ CHINKS N SHIT

We wuz whites

Reminder that the anti white left actually believes this nonsense

>Trypillian civilization

Neolithic European AKA Anatolian with some slight whg admixture, not central Asian at all.

>Hittitie

Borrowed heavily from previous Assyrian and Hattian cities in Anatolia which gave them writing, they were barbarians who took over.

>Oxus

Close enough to a civilization

literally displaced finns when the mongols came
t. finn

>chinese settlements are not cities, they were not urbanized
agreed

eastern europe and central asia had advanced civilizations as mentioned
Oxus civilization, Trypillian civilization (pre-dates Sumeria), Hittite civilization, Khwarezm civilization, Bactrian civilization, Sogdian civilization

>Trypillian
the region indicate Kurgan (i.e. Yamna culture) settlements in the eastern part of the Cucuteni-Trypillian area, co-existing for some time with those of the Cucuteni-Trypillian

Cucuteni-Trypillian culture ended not violently, but as a matter of survival, converting their economy from agriculture to pastoralism, and becoming integrated into the Yamna culture

Achaeans/Hittities/Luwians were distinct from Assyrians as Chinese were from Viets/Tibets

>Achaeans/Hittities/Luwians were distinct from Assyrians

False, read about Assyrian colonies in Central and Eastern Anatolia, they were huge, obviously Hittities borrowed a lot from them, considering those colonies were re-occupied by the Hittities:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kültepe

whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/5905/

They have found like 23,500 weitten tablets in this one, which is a fuckload, it was huge.

We're talking early 2nd millenium bc, just before the Hittitie came.

> The private archives of the Karum residents have yielded 23,500 clay tablets and envelopes to date. These are the earliest written documents which illustrated the ancient Anatolian history. Life, society and economy at this site, even the family affairs and personal relationships of its inhabitants, were recorded on clay tablets in the Old Assyrian dialect of the Akkadian language using the cuneiform (wedge-shaped) script, the knowledge of which came into Anatolia with Assyrian merchants.

Unlike royal or temple archives discovered in other ancient centres, the cuneiform archives of Kültepe-Kanesh represent the single largest body of private texts in the ancient Near East. They were kept in archive rooms, neatly arranged inside clay vessels, wooden chests, wicker baskets or sacks. The fire which eventually destroyed the city must have started suddenly; as the excavations revealed many documents were still in their envelopes, before the merchants could dispatch their recently written letters or open those newly received.

what kind of meme map is that?

and Chinese borrowed even more from Scythians, Whites, Viet, India, Babylonia.

Ancient and Modern China is just a cheap imitation of Western civilization (white technology, industry, science)

you obviously have no understanding of Achaeans/Hittities/Luwians

back to /r/psuedohistory

First of, I have literally never mentioned Luwians or Acheans, you schizophrenic retarard, that was you, though I believe I know much more about them than you do, considering I've read all the publications about them I could find in academia.edu.

You're clearly a buffoon since you have brought no arguments to refute what I have just stated, so honestly I could just filter you considering you've shown to be a shitposter.

The fact that there were large Assyrian colonies in central and eastern Anatolia is a fact, and if actually knew something abou The Hittites or The history of Anatolia you should have known that, considering The first written documents found in Anatolia were from those places

>go to /R/ pseudo history

Oh sweetie, what a cute projection, The Nordicist retard telling someone stating facts that He's a pseudohistorian, how ironic.

cool argument

This just is, cultures borrow from other cultures, nations are not isolated.

China using a STEPPE invention (Not White Nordic) is not evidence of the ancient Chinese being 6'4 blonde haired Swedish people.

They were an Indo-European tribe, most certainly branched off from the proto-IE 'Urheimat' of Crimea/Caspia, who moved east instead of south or west like most of their progenitors. As such, they represent a unique isolate group of the IE linguistic tree.

They were pretty isolated for a while in the Taklamakan basin, although they did share the region with other language-culture groups. They are believed to have had two distinct cultural groups/spheres of influence, based on the two dialects of 'Tocharian' (which were closely related, but not mutually intelligible). It's possible one was a liturgical language and one was the everyday language. Traces of a third dialect have also been found in a foreign text.

Both were Buddhist, however. Most of their history they were vassals of other stronger regional powers, but they occasionally had periods of largely independent city-states. They were farmers and traders, mostly.

"Tocharians" is also definitely not what they called themselves. Various exonyms exist, which may or may not be a hint at their own names for themselves. One of the stronger proposals is that they called themselves Agni (Tocharian A) and Kuchi (Tocharian B).

Later they were absorbed by Uyghurs, who were kicked out of land further east.

Most, however, do have black hair. It is also somewhat popular among the more Muslim-y families to dye hair red, as Mohammed is believed by some to have had red hair.

It's been put forward by some. We will never know for sure because no reliable accounts or depictions exist. Again, red hair was seen as auspicious by Muslims, so anyone spoken of in legends as being powerful and charismatic might have been given red hair as part of the legend.

As mentioned by others, because the region was literally a cross-roads and melting pot, there was variability in phenotypes at the time (it's become a bit more homogenous over time, as black/dark hair and eyes are dominant genotypes). So it's possible. I'd be pretty skeptical though.

One of the names for Europeans by Japs at the period of early contact was literally 'Big Noses'. It became a bit of a cliché to depict them as such, even by people who had never met one.

B-but the ancient aryans were swarthy black haired and black eyes negroids!

this

Romans were influenced by Greeks influenced by Phoenicians influenced influenced by Hittites influenced by Babylonians influenced by Assyrians influenced by Egyptians influenced by Sumerians influenced by Elam influenced by Oxus influenced by Trypillian

thats what history is about

the fact that you never mentioned Luwians or Acheans proves your ignorance since they were related to Hittites and influenced the Hittites.

我们是王和狗屎!

this
why do anti-hittites deny Luwians, Acheans, Lycia, Lydia, Demircihüyük civilization?

>inb4 assyria

"muy bueno"

And the Chinese invented paper which "led is to becoming an organized collection of peoples". Right?