How did he went from USA best friend to worst enemy ever? Specifically what happened between him "liberating" Afghanistan and him hating the US? And how the USA justify basically creating the "Muslim menace" that today we fear?
>This question respect fully the 25 years rules so don't close the thread please
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People change, nations change, situations change, world changes.
>best friend
I hate this shit
>implying the US gave two shits about Arab volunteers when there were hundreds of thousands of pissed off Afghans right there
>implying the GID didn't agree to pump one dollar into Afghanistan for every dollar the US did
>implying Osama couldn't fund his own shit with his endless supply of oil bucks and all the rich oil sheiks who wanted to further the jihad with fat checks
>implying the US had any direct contact with Osama during the war
He made a video about this, apparently KSA didn't want him and his army of edge lords to defend the kingdom against Saddam, they opted to allow the us military, apparently this is what sent him over the edge.
>ywn get all your inforlation from tv and your high school history teacher
Must be so good to be as deluded and happy as you are
Nigga, read a book.
Specifically, I recommend Ghost Wars by Steven Coll.
He was still the US' best friend after 9/11. He gave us the causus belli for two wars and allowed conservatives to have an enemy to rally against, the lack of which caused Bill Clinton's presidency.
Just like him. Ameritards aren't learning animals.
>best friend
Where do you get your news? Osama never had an alliance with the US
>Just like him
What did you mean by that?
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Thats how life works, he was supposed to function as a pawn for the US but it didnt work out for them
>give an independent 3rd party funding and arms
>surprised that a decade later, they develop conflicting interest
>How did he went from USA best friend to worst enemy ever?
U.S. support for Israel
Samctions against Iraq
Support for corrupt dictators in the Muslim world
>Specifically what happened between him "liberating" Afghanistan and him hating the US?
The real turning point where Bin Laden and Zawahiri turned towards the "far enemy" was when KSA asked the US to join the coalition against Iraq's occupation of Kuwait.
After Afghanistan ended Bin Laden and Zawahiri developed the "near enemy, far enemy" doctrine. Essentially secular states in the MENA were the "near enemy", the West, especially the US, were the "far enemy". This is really just a natural evolution of the Qutbist foundations of their ideology. Eventually someone in the lineage of Qutb (Zawahiri was a student, Bin Laden was a student of Sayyid's brother) would look outward towards the rest of the world as the problem.
Where does it say he was America's best friend in that article?
I forgot to clarify: the "near enemy" part of their ideology wasn't new. Sayyid Qutb wrote that secular or non Moslem states in the MENA should be brought back to the light of Allah (be under Islamic governance) by force if need be. And it should be the goal of any good Moslem to do so. This is where he broke with the Moslem Brotherhood orthodoxy, who prefer(ed) political action to create Islamic governance.
The KSA, the stewards of Mecha and Medina, turning against someone who viewed themselves as the preeminent figure in a movement of "real" Moslems must have enraged Bin Laden and Zawahiri.
>Mecha
Oops, should be Mecca.
>Osama never had an alliance with the US
10th National Security Adviser under President Jimmy Carter, Zbigniew Brzezinski with Osama Bin Laden.
There's pics of US presidents shaking hands with premiers of the USSR, doesn't mean the US and USSR were allies, even assuming that that is bin Laden.
Zbigniew Brzezinski is literally showing him how to use weaponry funded by the US.
>doesn't mean they were allies
You're dumb as shit.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
>British newspaper saying Osama was anti-Soviet
>this somehow means he was an US ally
He never was a friend of the US though
There are morons on this site that believe the taliban fought the soviets.
>not understanding how media works
The mujahideen did not establish a united government, and many of the larger mujahideen groups began to fight each other over power in Kabul. After several years of devastating fighting, a village mullah named Mohammed Omar organized a new armed movement with the backing of Pakistan. This movement became known as the Taliban ("students" in Pashto), referring to how most Taliban had grown up in refugee camps in Pakistan during the 1980s and were taught in the Saudi-backed Wahhabi madrassas, religious schools known for teaching an orthodox interpretation of Islam. Veteran mujahideen confronted this radical splinter group in 1996.
Yes there's an unreal number of stupid people that believe that, alongside people who think the mujahedeen just morphed into the Taliban after the war rather than being an altogether different group. Literally even the cursory wikipedia reading would be helpful in this case.
>After several years of devastating fighting, a village mullah named Mohammed Omar organized a new armed movement with the backing of Pakistan.
the taliban was formed independently
no US or Pakistani backing was involved in their formation. they only stepped in after numerous taliban victories convinced policymakers that the taliban could bring peace to afghanistan
>t. Goat fucking paki
Not an argument.
How does that contradict me.
Omar (founder of Taliban) fought as a rebel soldier with the anti-Soviet Mujahideen under the command of Nek Mohammad of the Hizb-e-Islami Khalis, but did not fight against the communist regime of Najibullah between 1989 and 1992. He later moved to a mosque in Karachi, where he led prayers, and later met with Osama bin Laden for the first time.[
The founder of the Taliban was in the Mujahideen you inbred.
Doesn't mean he was supported by the US in the creation of the Taliban.
That's not the name of an organization dipshit. There were many Mujahideen groups
Mujahideen (Arabic: مجاهدين mujāhidīn) is the plural form of mujahid (Arabic: مجاهد), the term for one engaged in Jihad (literally, "striving" or "struggling," especially with a praiseworthy aim).
Yes, you are right that there are many Jihadi groups and Taliban is one of them.
You are a special kind of stupid
With him, it was actually pretty simple. Both the West and the Soviets were planning to spread their influence across Europe and then the rest of the world as soon as the Nazis were done with. The problem was, as soon as the Nazis were gone, the number one obstacle for them was naturally each other.
Not an argument
Coalition forces in Saudi Arabia to invade and liberate Kuwait didn't sit well with him
No point inn debating a moron
Again, not an argument.
I know I'm making fun of you not debating you
Always wanted to know this, without any patriotic/muh freedom/muh democracy bullshit
Fuck me, Pajeets are destroying the internet.
>not going on hajj to the 1:1 Gundam in Japan
absolutely haram
Osama was a religious fundamentalist who thought that the excessive vices, materialism, and idolatry present in the USA was poison. He didn't want the Middle East or Islam to become bloated and shallow like the West. Dude just wanted to build a theocracy and govern it using the Quran as Law, just like the House of Saud.