So here's what I don't get about Christianity

By looking at history.

Manly P. Hall
Helena Blavatsky
Alice Bailey
Aleister Crowley
Albert Pike

Look into their work to see what Satanists/Luciferians believe.
They're pagans, socialists, new agers, ecumenists and antichrists.

Then there's the whole Sophia "mother earth" and Gnostic goddess worship, which also ties into Satanism.

It's a huge subject, so here are some books you might learn from.

As Christians, it is important for us to understand our enemy so that we do not fall for the deception of the final days.

Just saying "da illuminati!" won't cut it.

>Gnosticism
>Satanist
Wew lad, it's literally Christian shit with a more fleshed out bad guy

Satan isnt even in hell yet. Satan only goes to hell after the end of the world

Actually yes Satanism is literally just Christianity with extra edge.

Same theology.

The thinking man knows that mankind needs no supernatural external force to be terrible and awful.

We need to stop looking to the sky and look internally.

>Why would the devil have an interest in punishing evil doers when he is himself evil? Shouldn't he reward them instead?
Because hes evil?

No really when did evil beings have any sort of loyalty towards others who aint them?

No no no, Satnism is edgy shit about the villain being right, Gnosticism is for people into grey morality

Another typical hallmark of a satanic religion is that it will make our Lord Jesus out to be a:

>prophet
>just a teacher
>an "ascended master"
>a created being

Basically anything but God in the flesh or the Son of God.

Satanism is about man becoming god, through trans-humanism or mysticism.
UFOs and aliens are a demonic phenomena, but the New Age view them as helpers.
They even get demonically possessed and call it "channeling".

Abductions have suddenly stopped when the victim says the name of Jesus. There's an entire research in ufology on the subject, and it's heavily suppressed by people with an agenda. Why would extraterrestrial aliens be afraid of the name of Jesus? Unless they are demonic entities and not from another planet at all.

The devil isn't Hades, he isn't the ruler of the underworld, in fact the bible literally says next to nothing about him.
>Cons a woymn
>Plays games with God
>Random bullshit with no consequence
>Chats shit to Jesus with to no avail
>More random bullshit that has no consequence
>Gets btfo in revelations
The devil probably isn't just one big bad anti God, just like said its more to highlight opposites and try to explain God more and an abstract concept. Its literally the adversary of the bible because stories are a lot easier to understand with an antagonist.

Morality isn't grey. There are no shades of morality.

It's truly a spook and nothing but peer pressure and social control.

People LOVE control over others and so you have internal enforcement even if no authority is present.

Like the other day on campus I was out having a smoke in a secluded place where it's quiet and not bothering anyone.

A rabid shoggoth waddled over to me, across a field of grass, shouting that it was a no smoking campus increasingly loudly.

She was incensed, beat red by the time she reached me. I simply ignored her. Said nothing, kept smoking and ignoring her.

This made her more agitated and she began screeching louder and more frequently, repeating her words like a mantra and trying different combinations.

She even tried fake politeness and then really over the top insults almost back to back.

Objectively speaking if I had began smashing her in the face with a large rock I would have been defending myself from verbal and near physical assault as she got closer and closer and almost looked ready to sway at my cigarette.

This is the real face of 'morality'.

>We need to stop looking to the sky and look internally

You just agreed with the Satanists/Luciferians, who think man can become god.

Atheism is a joke, for the masses. The people that control the world and propogate atheism themselves are purely religious. Paganism has never died out, it simply went underground.

Gnosticism is the same shit as any other occult society or philosophy.

Ancient mysteries became Kabbalism and Gnosticism which became the Hashashins (assassins) which influenced Knight's Templars which became the Freemasons.

Atheistic humanism is just a product of the French Revolution, a Jacobin/Illuminati inspired revolution.

Satan is the eternal rebel, and world-wide socialism or communism is the goal.

They want God out of your life, and they want you to believe you can become a god yourself. This is the entire plan which will ultimately fail as the Bible says.

you christians messed up your bible after jesus
and still whine about him today.

if it wasn't for the dogma of the second coming of christ Christianity would've been long gone.

By mentioning Lucifer earlier you've already swayed from the course user, the morning star is not biblical canon

Listen, if there is some grand extra-dimensional creative force it is a sadistic idiot child that would be convicted in any court.

And the strings of power would be removed by a rational force.

Because I often find myself incapable of defending the human experiment to an outside observer.

Try it sometime. Try making the 'case for humanity' on paper.

"Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.”

5 For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water. But the present heavens and earth by His word are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

8 But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance."

- 2 Peter

Trust me, there is no supernatural force required to make humans awful.

Are you familiar with deprivation studies? Deprivation studies show that humans can be brought from civilized to savage animals or apathetic husks quite easily.

We are all of us 4 and 1/2 meals and 12 degrees from murder or total apathy.

What is exactly your objection?

>if there is some grand extra-dimensional creative force it is a sadistic idiot child that would be convicted in any court.
Again you're showing how influenced you are by Satanic philosophies.

The idea that the creator or the God of the Bible is a "bad guy" is a Gnostic, Luciferian concept.

It's twisting good and evil around, making Satan to be the hero. Nothing but lies and deceit.

Your dichotomy is tedious.

The dichotomy is a trick of extremes. There are objectively no real extremes.

There is just what is.

The theory of evolution is a myth.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

>Christians tell me that evil is simply the absence (non-existence) of good
>the Devil is the embodiment of evil
>the devil embodies the non-existence of good
>????
>"this thing is the embodiment of no thing"
>????

How can the absence of a thing be a thing itself? Does non-existence exist? wouldn't the existence of non-existence contradict itself?

>Listening to protestant ramblings
Found the problem

guys doesn't this mean the devil doesn't exist?

can you elaborate, my local catholic priest told me that evil was the absence of good?? He said something about St. Augustine iirc.

As a Catholic I have literally never heard a sermon about the devil outside the time he tried to trick Jesus in the desert and Adam and Eve, he's barely even a character in Catholic thought

Very likely.

In the immortal words of Sonmi 451;

>Our lives are not our own. From womb to tomb, we are bound to others. Past and present. And by each crime and every kindness, we birth our future.
>To be is to be perceived. And so to know thyself is only possible through the eyes of the other. The nature of our immortal lives is in the consequences of our words and deeds that go on apportioning themselves throughout all time.
>that ship... that ship must be destroyed
>yes
>the systems that built them must be torn down
>yes
>>No matter if we're born in a tank or a womb, we are all Pureblood
>yes
>We must all fight and, if necessary, die to teach people the truth

This is what we have been waiting for

so what are you saying? that the devil does not exist or that the devil is not all-evil, that is the devil is not the embodiment of evil? does that mean the devil is somewhat good, but less good than man? does that mean some people can actually be less good, and so WORSE, than the devil?

>Detailed Documentary Exposing Catholic Church (8 hours)
youtube.com/watch?v=5bVEXZ38Vs8

>The Real History of the evil Roman Catholic Church
youtube.com/watch?v=LClaSilFlA8

>The Jesuit Agenda Exposed
youtube.com/watch?v=oTo2wbfvT9E

>The Real Bible Version Issue
youtube.com/watch?v=KHcf3E8qOqA

>The Catholic and Islamic Connection
youtube.com/watch?v=ll0otULYzms

as Jesus said: "Get out of her.."

Devil comes from the Greek word diabolos.

A devil is anyone doing bad. Satan/Lucifer is a devil.
Fallen angels and demonic spirits are devils.

Lucifer is a real entity, a cherubim that wants to exalt himself above God Jehovah/Adonai the creator.

I'm saying the devil is a meme, he's not a concrete existence you need to fret your entire life over but rather a lesson in not being a duplicitous cunt
Well meme'd, now go back to having women and faggots as your ministers, so progressive

There is one problem.

Humanity unshackled from Abrahamic morality should terrify us all.

Vatican II was an atrocity.

SSPX or Orthodoxy are the only true paths left to the discerning Christian.

>Abrahamic
A shitty term coined only by butthurt atheists and mudslimes in an attempt to garner sympathy from Christians.

There is no such thing as "abrahamic" unless referring to the specific Abrahamic covenant with God (such as Davidic, etc).

If you want to group Judaism, Islam and Christianity together, the correct term would be monotheism.

You mean godly morality.
Using the conscience and brain that God gave you.

Today we live in a world where the Protestant family values, ethics and moral foundations are disregarded. This gives way to all sorts of degeneracy and immorality.

Anything goes, like Satan says: do what thou wilt

>Why Leftists Believe Weird and Immoral Things
youtube.com/watch?v=oETivbBtlAE

>not Episcopalian

It's like you enjoy the thought of going to hell.

Actually user you're wrong.

Abrahamic morality covers every iteration from Judaism to Islam to Mormons and across the whole spectrum of Christian effort.

Theologically speaking Abraham DID accept the covenant for his people but it has been passed onwards as groups have failed to adhere to the very basics.

Theologically God is still trying to get this one basic mandate across to humanity.

I was a member of the Quaker underground for a few years.

I thought it was the most ideal form until I came across the underground courts. No one really knows the extent of the Quaker radicalism but they have gone full rogue.

Except it assumes that the morals come from Abraham, which is false.

Godliness and holiness predates Abraham.

Why not call it Noahic morality or Enochic morality? It's a shitty meaningless term.

>I'm a temperance leaguer
Kill yourself, Jesus didn't turn water into wine so you could be a massive faggot

You're not wrong. However all the iterations did spring from Abraham and his covenant. Prior to that God seems to only work with individuals as groups were still to subversive and dangerous.

Even Lot wasn't allowed his wife Edith.

You think it's a joke. Everyone does.

Quakers have consistently been the most dismissed as well as most radical form of Christianity since their conception.

>storming into other churches mid-service to call them out on heresy
>commonly getting literally dragged through the streets by horses
>one woman patiently waits years to meet the Pope
>when finally granted audience to the most powerful man in Christendom she spits at him and denounces him

This was all during the formative years of the many Circles of Friends. It's only escalated.

>Look at me!
>I'm such an individual!
Sounds like typical new world protestants

Not him, but Protestants are real Christians unlike Catholics which are crypto-pagans.

They follow what the Bible says, and Paul's teachings to the NT early churches.

Catholics follow what the """church fathers""" a couple hundred years later say, when the churches were already largely corrupted and apostate from the original apostolic era.

>Protestants are real Christians
>Obsessed with the Old testament
Protestants are fucking Jews, which is why every Christian Zionist happens to be a protestant

In my capacity with the Friends I was routinely charged with handling inmate correspondence from Level 5 Security Housing Units. The purpose on the face of it was to provide theological aid to the very most dangerous and organized rebels in America, the leaders of the various rebel tribes we call 'gangs'.

It became clear that there was an alliance and even a cohesion at the highest levels and within the Circles.

Bluntly, the Quaker underground has gon full rogue and works within the Prison industrial complex with the incarcerated in order to subvert society and that very system.

Inmate riots, hunger strikes, even some assassinations often do NOT originate within the prisons themselves.

>Catholics follow what the """church fathers""" a couple hundred years later say, when the churches were already largely corrupted and apostate from the original apostolic era.

As opposed to just following the texts compiled(and possibly forged) by the said church fathers?

>Old Testament is not part of scripture
>Catholics shitting on God's Word

Typical.

It's also funny how most Catholics have never really read and understood the Bible at all, they just blindly believe what their Latin child-raping priest says.

I agree that Zionism is retarded, but no one is perfect. There are Protestant denominations or doctrines that are pure heresy, but that doesn't change the fact that Roman Catholicism is an apostate heretical church as well.

How about you get to know God personally instead letting others tell you what to think?

There's this book called the Bible and God wants you to read it.

>which is why every Christian Zionist happens to be American
FTFY. I don't know why does this need to be repeated so often but continental protestantism is nothing like Anglo-American protestantism. Lutherans especially consider Christian Zionism to be disgusting.

No seriously who the fuck makes these images?

'Foundation X' sounds like what a 14-year old would call an antagonist faction in some sci-fi games.

Martian Luther himself warned heavily against the Tribe and their machinations

Again, that covenant changes hands much more often than we consider

Hahahaha yeah it's so fukken SILLY

theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/nov/03/strange-case-lord-james-foundation-x

>Jew shit trumps Christ shit
Are you sure you aren't a Jew? The Old Testament has its place, but it's outdated by Jesus himself and the New Covenant
When you grow up with a really gay Protestant church nearby that owns a skating ramp called "the godbowl" and every morning is these fucking faggots dunking their heads in the sea when all you want is a surf it gets really fucking old

This. Granted I can't blame OP for not knowing that, most Christians base more of their theology on the divine comedy than they do the actual bible.

The more you study history of the occult and secret societies, the less fictional they become.

They are real, and they control the world's governments and the direction society/culture is headed towards.

I know it's hard to accept because many things you've been told and believed for years were a lie. Cognitive dissonance is a bitch, but you'll overcome it if your quest for truth is bigger.

Which has been outdated by Mohammed and his covenant.

Nice try cunt, pretty key difference is Islam doesn't recognize Jesus as the messiah, maybe when the Jews finally get around to writing that chapter you'll have an argument

I wish a single group had the reigns but none exists.

The true truth is that the many power structures are constantly in a state of cold warfare which often turn hot in unexpected and catastrophic ways.

Truly there is no true hierarchy.

>When you grow up with a really gay Protestant church nearby that owns a skating ramp called "the godbowl"
wew

Jesus was a Jew.

>outdated
Nope. All of the stories and lessons in the OT are still applicable today. It's pure wisdom and spiritual food, especially the literature books.

You can't just mutilate and cherry pick the Bible by taking away more than half of it.

I agree that we are under the New Covenant, through God's grace and mercy, but to say that the OT is done and over is retarded. It still applies as a history lesson.

Islam simply translates to Submit.

God realized that Christianity was too meek to truly bring about his ultimate Law. So instead of asking he sent Mohammed to MAKE the people obey.

Christianity has been largely paganized and politicized.

The very concept of Christian armies is apocryphal.

>Detailed Documentary Exposing Islam (3 hours)
youtube.com/watch?v=qk_VwZxN9bA

>Muhammad the World's Most Evil Man?
youtube.com/watch?v=efRRknDAuHc

>Evidence Muhammad was Demon Possessed
youtube.com/watch?v=FywOhaY-GEA

>Original Sources Koran Stole its Stories From
youtube.com/watch?v=ZhaLDYo0Kl8

>Allah = Satan
youtube.com/watch?v=qTi1FZkoEsM
youtube.com/watch?v=86PL9wueH-s
youtube.com/watch?v=TLoUq8vybzY

>Why the Quran Was Revealed in Arabic
youtube.com/watch?v=rigMARKrNDw

>Why We Are Afraid, A 1400 Year Secret
youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y

Now shoo, Achmed.

As a history lesson it applies I agree, anything beyond that you might as well don a yamulkah and cut your foreskin off
TAKBIR, praise be the prophet and peace be upon him

The only thing that accounts for Islam's rapid and ongoing spread is sanctity by God.

And it was right. Christians raised armies. That was the exact moment when God turned from them.

>Psalm, Proverbs and Ecclesiastes
>not great spiritual insight and wisdom

>Historical books and events
>not able to teach you how God works in certain circumstances or how to behave yourself

Not even mentioning the messianic prophecies which were all fulfilled in Christ.

>Evidence Muhammad was Demon Possessed

Oh yeah this seems objective

>JEWS ARE THE CHOSEN PEOPLE
I think we can both agree there are many parts of the old testament that are absolutely worthless to a goy like you and me

>The only thing that accounts for the Mongols' spread is sanctity by God

No you retard, it was because Byzantine and the Persians had exhausted each other through centuries of warfare, and Africa was nothing but nomadic berbers.

Islam spread with the sword, butchering its way through MENA, destroying classical civilizations, plunging Europe into the dark ages and keeping MENA in a stagnant shithole forever.

Christianity spread through love, because it's the truth.
A few years of God's divine presence and it already conquered the world.

Are you implying they weren't the chosen people?

God chose Abraham, which begat Isaac, which begat Jacob, which begat the 12 tribes of Israel, one of them being Judah.

It wasn't for goys like us. For the first time God chose a people. To do what? To obey him.

And so he granted them liscence to remove the other humans from territory to secure a land of their own.

Sadly the Jewish people stopped obeying and so pretty quickly God allowed the Romans to sack Judea and destroy their temple.

Then Judaism really became a cult based around the revenge fantasy.

this. The very core of Islam is hatred and oppression, a perversion of the love of Christ that a lowly camel-driver culturally appropiated to lure in more people into his false religion.

Yes I am saying that, how's being Jewish gone in the 1000 years again?
>pogroms
>Holocaust
>Constant missile attacks
If that's Gods chosen it seems like a bad deal to me

Have you read the Bible? God abandoned the Jews as his chosen because they kept disobeying him. There are specific warnings in the Leviticus that all of this shit would happen.

>Christianity spread through love

KEK! Initially yes you're right but that changed pretty rapidly.

The covenant for the Jews was different than the covenant for the Christians which is different than the covenant for Muslims.

God commanded the Jews to take an eye for an eye. He commanded the Christians to kill no one. Ever. At all. Kill no one.

God told Mohammed ' Okay that's it they fucked up now go make people be good again. Kill them if you have to.'

And that's where we sit today

Its all bullshit.
The whole thing was invented to mooch money off the miserable and the weak

>God told Mohammed
God did not talk to Mohammed.

Mohammed had an encounter with a demonic spirit in a cave pretending to be Gabriel, giving him seizures and "revelations" that contradicted the Bible.

If Lucifer gave man the gift of knowledge, does that mean knowledge is evil?
And why do satanists want to impose socialism?

The knowledge of good AND evil.
We become like little gods, able to decide ourselves.

Whereas before, we were innocent and pure (which Satanists view as being kept ignorant and docile by a vindictive God).

It's a complicated issue, just watch the Mystery Babylon series by William Cooper to understand what the secret societies believe.

They want socialism because it's all about ecumenism, unity, multikult, collectivism and the destruction of sovereign nations.

The family is the building block of a nation, which is why the family is targeted so much in the U.S. by cultural marxism. Get rid of the family unit and the nation goes to shit.

But Jesus's revelations that contradicted the bible of his day are perfectly all right!

JESUS JESUS JESUS JESUS JESUS JESUS JESUS JESUS JESUS JESUS JESUS JESUS

Jesus did not contradict the Bible at all.

He affirmed it and became the final, ultimate sacrifice.

Contradicting the Bible became necessary and the Bible was being used for very evil purposes.

Look man, the Christians lost the plot. It quickly became a political force to subjugate the rest of humanity.

God does not lie or change.

He contradicted the Old Testament. The original covenant.

Eye for an eye and stone your disobedient son became turn the other cheek and love thy neighbor.

As opposed to Islam, which instantly became a godless force to subjugate the rest of humanity.

Actually all Islam means is Submit to God.

That's it. Christianity was a big let down for the Big Guy. So he took off the velvet glove.

The Bible isn't ideologically consistent at all though. Reading it as the word of God and not understanding the historical context is one of the main reasons there are so many dumbfuck protestant offshoots out there

That's not a contradiction.

The Israelites lived under the law.
In the mean time, prophets talked about a coming messiah that would fix everything and "write the laws in our hearts".

Then comes Jesus which fulfills all the messianic prophecies and the laws to the T.

Different dispensations.

That's because it was created by a deceiver. What better way to condemn people to hell than to do it in the name of god?

Why does every conspiratard think posting a shitton of dubious youtube videos counts as an argument?

The Bible is the most consistent book in the world.

Being a God-hating atheist won't change that.

The natural man does not understand the things of the spirit. The cross is foolishness to those who perish, etc.

>dubious
False.

And judging a book by its cover is not an argument either.

This is how arguments work:
>you read/watch something
>you form a counter-argument if you disagree

It is not consistent lol It's a sum of two competing parts.

The Old Testament directly competes with the New.