Who would win?
Also more seriously are these formations paralleling in history proof of its effectiveness
or just a meme move for militias to deter cavalry
Who would win?
Jordan Hughes
Landon Collins
if the Terico's have their usual muskets in the center they would win
if they don't have the muskets id give it to the Macedonians
Landon Gonzalez
>Who would win?
The one with guns I guess.
Cooper Watson
Out of the two pikemen blocks? Assuming the top is Macedonians there's no way Tericos could beat some of the most experienced soldiers in human history armed with longer polls and shields. They might have a chance if they're run of the mill Hellenestic infantry of varying quality, but they have no chance against Alexander's troops.
Camden Sanchez
>Assuming the top is Macedonians there's no way Tericos could beat
>some of the most experienced soldiers in human history
Meme history. The army of the Spanish monarchy (it was too international to be called "Spanish") was the best in the world during the time of the tercios.
>armed with longer polls
Perhaps relevant if the Macedonians are able to actually aim their ridiculously long pikes at an unarmored part before the tercio closed.
>and shields.
The shields were held by a strap around the neck. They're practically non-functional.
Luke Gray
>meme move for militias to deter cavalry
>both come into existence when faced with armies that field a shitload of heavy infantry
>both shit on said heavy infantry
What do you think, op?
>aim at an unarmored part
We have primary sources from both periods stating that the pike will penetrate armor on the charge. If it's alexanders troops, there's a real chance the front rank of tercio dies immediatley, because his men were very liekly to attack at the run.
Once that happens the battle is a complete fucking tossup, if the tercio can stop the momentum and not roll over, they're at an advantage in push of pike or bad war.
If they can't they lose.
Parker Collins
outa my way med-shits
Adrian Lewis
The Tercios win, and win easily. For starters, the solid steel breastplate will make them virtually immune to the Macedonian Sarissae, which the reverse will not be true. The pikes are about 2 feet shorter, but considerably thicker, which means they won't be breaking left and right. Depending on which phalanx they're up against, the professional Tercios are likely to be substantially better trained and more experienced.
And that's before you get into things like guns.
Jacob Kelly
>We have primary sources from both periods stating that the pike will penetrate armor on the charge
The problem is that the armors are in no way equivalent, and the Tercios have enormously heavier and better designed stuff. While the Tercio pike would almost certainly go through what the Macedonians are wearing (especially if it's just a linthorax), the reverse is a much harder case to make.
Camden Kelly
>The Tercios win, and win easily. For starters, the solid steel breastplate will make them virtually immune to the Macedonian Sarissae
Period sources disagree, and a breastplate does not make you immune to attacks to the limbs, throat, or face. What's more, a breastplate alone doesn't even cover the entire torso from the front, unless you're lucky enough to have faulds.
No. We have European sources talking about pikes piercing their contemporary armor.
Pikemen were not men at arms, odds are very good they'd be wearing munitions armor, which was NOT of good quality, and was likely to be iron rather than steel.
>While the Tercio pike would almost certainly go through what the Macedonians are wearing
Linothoorax? Sure. Chain? More often than not. Bronze curiass when the formations aren't charging? Not likely at all. They're also lucky enough to actually wear armor on their legs, and have a shield reducing the available target area.
In a pure pike fencing match, they could very well win.
Luckily for the spanish cunts, tercios are not meant to do that.