Does multiculturalism always lead to genocide?

>"this time its different!"

Name one empire that was 100% pure.

Uh, before, you had Monarchic dynasties upon whom the state is based upon who were more than happy if you bent your knee to them in allegiance, fuck whatever your culture was so long as it wasnt fomenting rebellion.

Nowadays you have memes like Nation-State & Nationalism, Democracy, and Muh Self Determination.

Benin Empire

When has it lead to genocide?

>Letting possible disease vectors into your country without any hindrance
Congratulations. You caused the next black plague.

>Unironically citing a country that has had shit tons of ethnic conflicts, minor ethnic genocides, mass expulsions of people, and an active campaign of segregation and ethnocide

If you actually believe it works in China then you're simply naieve.

It doesn't work, it might work while everyone is wealthy but when the shit hits the fan...

There are many non-racial genocides (Holdomodr comes to mind) and you just admitted people would find something else to fight about.
China is 91% Han and the Maoists displaced ethnicities on purpose in order to decrease their number and to control them (like in Tibet).

> but when the shit hits the fan...
When the shit hits the fan even monocultural state would chimp out. See: French Revolution.

Agreed. My point is that multiple cultures in one border causes tensions and bad circumstances inevitably lead them down an ugly path.

I believe the best way for distinct cultural, ethnic, etc... groups to flourish and be safe is to have separate states to cater to those groups.

> separate states to cater to those groups
The problem is that creation of such separate state can bring problems faster than the more "sluggish" influence of the multiculturalism.

Border conflicts tend to be hotter when you really draw borders and not on paper.

>China is 91% Han
Even the Han itself is a multicultural if not even multiethnic conglomerate.

>I believe the best way for distinct cultural, ethnic, etc... groups to flourish and be safe is to have separate states to cater to those groups.
Riddle me this: what if said distinct cultural/ethnic group is *within* what is considered the homeland of yet another, larger, cultural/ethnic group?

A lot of those cases considering the most common state entity before the Modern world was the empire/monarchy.

True.

I think in many cases such as the middle East has shown your assumption to be true, such as the result of the Balfour declaration. Africa is probably another good example. However, it can work when done properly such as in the case of Poland.

Another solution would be repatriation wherein the government insentivises ethnic groups to return to their old homeland where they immigrated from or their parents immigrated from.

Ah, yes the Israeli Palestine problem. Thankfully this isn't often the case. In those circumstances it would seem that the only solution is might makes right. Shitty but there is no real solution and saying that people will eventually just get along is incredibly larpy seeing as ethnic division usually worsens over time.

>Thankfully this isn't often the case.
It is in East/South/Southeast Asia. Particularly in former empires and large kingdoms.

Burma, in particular, has it really bad.

I mostly focused on MENA, Europe, and China during University so I am not well versed in South East Asia. It's a sad state of affairs because I doubt these groups will ever truly get along and drawing arbitrary lines will just piss off those groups that feel disenfranchised.

Places like this, I believe, truly are doomed to war.

Instate communist secularism like in the Balkans, Caucasus, and Central Asia during the Cold War.

>Yo dog I heard you like ethnic uprisings.
>So we made an ethnic uprising in your ethnic uprising so you can revolt while you revolt.

The Wa State has financed itself through the ya ba (methamphetamine pills) trade. China has reportedly in recent times started pandering to them after the Burmese government started having increased communication with the US.

thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/05/07/china-supplies-qbz-03-rifle-to-united-wa-state-army/
china-defense.blogspot.com/2013/02/united-wa-state-armys-m99-127mm-sniper.html
qz.com/79582/chinas-arming-of-an-ethnic-group-in-myanmar-is-more-peaceful-than-it-may-seem/

>far left
>far right
>multicultural

Implying that Leninism-Stalinism and Fascism weren't at their core ultra-nationalist ideologies and literally the exact opposite of multiculturalism.

Name one regime which engaged in genocide that weren't a bunch of nationalist douchebags scapegoating a minority as the source of all their country's problems.

Preventing mass immigration in the first place.
How? Simple: Do not invade a country for the lulz. No pun intended fucking american pigs

This. Doesn't have much to do with culture.

>Persia
>USA
>Europe

Define "work"..

doesn't china have a policy of ethnic cleansing where they populate minority areas with Hans until you have a monoculture?

>Another solution would be repatriation wherein the government insentivises ethnic groups to return to their old homeland where they immigrated from or their parents immigrated from.

Countries always try to jew out on that or renege on it.

you have to go back:

>global rule #3 is in effect. Do not try to treat this board as /pol/ with dates.

back you go:

>Riddle me this: what if said distinct cultural/ethnic group is *within* what is considered the homeland of yet another, larger, cultural/ethnic group?
Then you get genocide.
Which ties into OP's point.

>Name one regime which engaged in genocide that weren't a bunch of nationalist douchebags scapegoating a minority as the source of all their country's problems
Rome.

It's not about fear of the "other" it's the natural (obviously biological extende Hamiltons rule) preference for your own kind and it's artifacts. The delusions, the fear and the mythical golden age is just historians trying to flee from the obvious conclusions. Everybody intellectually honest knows it's about power in the short term and about survival of your genes in the long term. Having a shared border is a recipe for problems and sharing a country an ensured tragedy.

Patrician post

Are you kidding? What do you think CARTHAGO DELENDA EST means? That we should send our womenfolk to be bred with their most dark skinned alpha males while we sit in the closet watching and enriching ourselves?

Multiculturism is literally what destroyed Eastern Europe. The reason Western Europe prospered and became so wealthy and stable is because Western European ethnicities settled huge contiguous land and what wasn't contiguous was exterminated or assimilated. Eastern European ethnicities on the other hand mostly settled small and not very well defined areas with a ton of overlap between ethnicities.

This meant that in the late medieval and early modern period when Western Europeans were first developing national identity and consciousness Eastern Europeans literally couldn't and later in later modern period and the 20th century it led to genocided, ethnic cleansings and prosecutions and ultimately to weak and small states. The one exception to all this are, of course, the Russians - they settled massive contiguous area so its no coincidence that they dominated Eastern Europe alongside the Germans.

Literally the only reason it "works" in China is because they're a shithole dictatorship that kills anyone that disagrees and they practice ethnic cleansing anyway.

>what is modern medicine
>what is modern sanitation
>what is biometrics
>what is literally not shitting where you eat

Il take why this post was made by retard for 500 alex

You don't understand Romans. They will send their killing machine legions to genocide your population leaving only stragglers in the hills who wage a desperate guerrilla campaign for years until their leader is captured, then they will take him to Rome and reward him for a war well fought, maybe even let him fuck their wife.

Also they viewed northern Europeans as inferior.

USA

Cuck
youtube.com/watch?v=C5IwwnP5e78
Can you spot the muslim at 2:58? You need to look very careful and maybe you can discern him between the Han.

what if certain factions of said ethnic groups refuse to leave, being culturally assimilated in the country they Immigrated to?

Take a look at the US for example, By your logic all peoples of Euro, African, and Asian descent woule be returned to their home countries and the land recovered by Indegenious American peoples and Meso Americans.

Whilst not much so for the fairly recent influx of Asian immigrants, African and Euro descendants have firm cultural and economic roots in the US and would be hardpressed to just up and leave based on government incentive. Making exceptions for this case would lead to more exeptions which would mostly factor on race and nationality, causing more racial tension and strife. Not to mention the vast maority of people belonging to African descent would not know what specific nationality there enslaved ancestors were.

>then they will take him to Rome and reward him for a war well fought, maybe even let him fuck their wife.
Maybe if he distinguishes himself in the arena for so long that he is seen as providing a service to Rome, but most of the times the Roman would just parade them around the city for a little while before having them publicly strangled.

Trying to say that ancient Rome is an example of multicultural genocide is retarded. Just because a few of them got cucked occasionally by some of the darker skinned ones doesn't mean that, on a whole, they weren't voting for rabidly nationalistic "law and order" type politicians who promised them conquest booty and slaves in exchange for military service. And later on it becomes even less of an issue when the military itself is running the government.

>It's ok to drink sewage because we have antibiotics now

People like you are why antibiotics stop working.

Did I say that you fucking mental midget?

No, the chances of another great plauge in a developed nation are very low due to modern medicinal practices and an understanding of germ theory. Even the ebola outbreak in Africa, with abysmal hygine and healtcare levels had a relatively low death rate than say, an outbreak 500 years ago.

I know your retarded ass can only jump to green text extremes to defend your flimsey uneducated hypothesis but for the love of fuck, shut the hell up when learned men are talking you ignorant shit for brains.

Patriotism and nationalism are synonyms, you delusional fucking moron.

>Triggered

Not him but they aren't, patriotism is state based while nationalism is ethnic based.

>inb4 "civic nationalism"
That term is literal oxymoron, nationalism can only be ethnic.

>Non-racial genocide

This is literally an oxymoron

>nationalism can only be ethnic
Why?

Because nation is a group of people, not a country.

But why a group of people have to be of the same ethnicity?

Look up the origin of nationalism.

No, they're counterfeits of each other

Explain America.

In reality, nationalism is cancer that leads to the separatism which destroys the state. No real patriot would fall for this meme.

Multiculturalism works, just look at the Americas. The US in North, and Brazil in South America are good examples. I'd argue it's a bit less successful the more history a country has, as seen in the rest of the world, but France seems to have quite a bit Chinese.

>Then you get genocide.
>Which ties into OP's point.
So it's not the fault of multiculturalism then, it's something else.

Empires generally didn't mind your shit unless you're a rebel cunt. Meanwhile Nation-statism would be hot and bothered by you being merely different.

>brazil is a successful example of multiculturalism

NIGGA WHAT

>US as well

NIGGGGA WHAT

>I'd argue it's a bit less successful the more history a country has
The more history a place has, the weirder it becomes
>So wait, you guys have been living side by side for ages.
>BUT SUDDENLY IT IS A PROBLEM NOW?

Multiculturalism is not tied to race for christ sake, who keeps spreading this meme

Genocide, balkanization, or at best just a constant anchor around the civilization in question. Only the strongest nations can handle multiculturalism, and if they have moments of weakness, it just might be enough to push them over.

It doesn't always end in genocide, but it never goes well and it's a terrible idea. How can you have multiple cultures living within the same state? You need a brutal strongman, and even then it's still a handicap.

Which is why we generally call it Patriotism in the US. Pride in the state rather than price in the ethnicity.

ironicaly the reason we know this is true is because multicultural societies happen all the time, its unavoidable to some extent, in fact before modern times no one even had the technological or logistic means to realy effectively do something about it on a large enough scale, thats why there were so many genocides and pogroms, you couldnt realy regulate who gets to live where in the longrun, so when tensions got high there were shorterm solutions, this story runs trough the history of many nations around the world, reruns of asimilation, suppresion or removal of this subpopulation or that

considering how much is known about humans from history, psychology, biology etc... youd think people would be smarter about it by now, instead we just swing from suicidaly liberal to autisticaly xenophobic

>turkics have a history of rebellion since the An Lushan rebellion
>surprised when chinks crack down on dissent

the muslim thing is just a post Qing spin on this history

So Holdomodor wasn't a genocide?

It doesn't necessarily have to be a racial thing. Rwanda is a good example - where it's centered around cultural affiliation and the hierarchical structure that was based around it.

Cambodia.

Collectivism is human nature. Humans aren't solitary creatures but they always organised in families, clans and tribes.

>Explain America.

>Multiculturalism works

>mythic golden age

Everyone in this thread is using multi-culturalism and multi-racialism interchangeably.

Looters were if all colours and creed, turns out that new Orleans is mostly black and moat pics of the place in the crisis were of blacks because that feeds sensationalism.

>It doesn't necessarily have to be a racial thing

I don't know what you're guys native language is, but it's not hard to figure out what the word "genocide" was intended to mean. I'll give you a hint:

>Genos = race
>Cide = a suffix that means "kill"

and many times in the English language the definition isn't 1:1 with the Etymology.

pastebin.com/8TGM0Pp0

Research on the effects of immigration/multiculturalism/diversity on society.

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Research on the effects of immigration on the economy. Both pastes include quotes from studies as well as links to those studies.

Or if you can't be arsed to read, this video youtube.com/watch?v=VTROCGb5qj8 is a good replacement.

>the muslim thing is just a post Qing spin on this history

THIS.

It is funny, because the reason the Turkic groups converted to Islam was a way OPPOSE the Tang, because their old religion of Tengriism and Buddhism basically legitimized the Tang Rule over this areas since he was the Son of Heaven(Tengri and Tian in Chinese)

The Hui Population of China in the meantime is respected and can practice their religion(ISLAM) in peace, in fact, they were the only modernized armies who fought against the imperial powers during the Boxer Rebellion.