Long story short, I got enough money to start a pizza place.
There's a lot of shit pizza places in my city. I can start one and I know for a fact I can be the best pizza place in town.
One of the places was literally caught putting bleach in their food.
My problem is if I start a pizza place, I will literally put others out of business. How can I be happy if I am literally destroying people's livelihoods?
Whats your background in businesses? Restaurantfag here. Making food is literally the bare minimum you need to succeed, what else are you doing to find and retain customers? How are you advertising and offering a service that is going to be accessible. Ive seen a lot of restaurants with fucking amazing food close down/lose money because they werent able to handle the businesses side of things.
Jaxon Gutierrez
Your pizza will be shit, stop lying to yourself. You wont put anyone out of business because your pizza will be shit. Shit pizza
Easton Morales
Quite easy to be happy when you're comfy eating half-decent pizza and most of the town's thankful for it.
Kevin Rodriguez
fuck you user, just fuck you. I come in this thread expecting an actual ethical dilemma and you feed us this shit? the fuck is wrong with you.
this. you're just making excuses because you'll know you'll fail. how about you start up the pizza place and prove us wrong.
Hudson Howard
Take heart in the fact that 80% of restaurants fail in the first 18 months and 90% in the first 36 months. You're not putting them out of business. Owning and operating a successful restaurant is one of the hardest things you can do.
Lincoln Martinez
Associate degree in accounting. I've made websites for small business in the past and can take care of the business aspect of things.
Alright
How is this not an ethical dilemma? I've been cooking since I was 10. I know what I am doing.
Literal rednecks run these places. One place literally put bleach in the food. I know I can take them on.
Luke Ross
Youre wrong for business if you cant stand putting someone out of business as a competitor.
Not saying that to be an asshole, but that empathetic mentality will end up giving you tons of guilt and youll be unhappy and stressed.
Go trade shitcoins kid
Angel Barnes
It's called competition, look it up
Elijah Watson
>How is this not an ethical dilemma? let's see...you're concerned about putting other people out of business....are you for fucking real?
you MUST be 18 and still live at home. there's no other way you're this naive to the world. the entire point of life is putting other people out of business. making money is a zero sum game. for every dollar you earn, someone else loses.
no shit
Dominic Clark
post pics of your pizza OP
Jaxon Clark
wow you can make a website? 10/10 restaurant would go to again and recommend to my mom sister brother friends cousin uncle aunt. anyone eEVERYONE This guy makes WEBSITES that means he'll keep you HAPPY and he'll have GOOD SERVICE!!
Christian Robinson
Would I be a bad person for doing that? I KNOW I can demolish these guys. Median income here is about $40000. People have money. The restaurants overcharge for shit. I can come in and take the customers.
But is that evil?
Or should I just go Conan the Barbarian mode and think about this bullshit later?
I don't have any made. But what I do is I use fresh cheese, I make the tomato sauce myself fresh. Also the dough is strong and crunchy. The pizza doesn't bend when you fold it in half. I also add some garlic to it for extra flavor.
Mason Edwards
Can I pay in Ant shares?
Sebastian Powell
you sound soft mate. are you a recent graduate?
Caleb Ramirez
See My quality is literally better than 80% of the places out there. 60% of small businesses have no accounting system. I'm an expert on bookkeeping.
Nothing fancy I'm just saying I can make it work.
David Howard
are you literally stupid, there's nothing evil about winning a fair competition
James Nguyen
do u think it's moral that ppl have to pay for shitty pizza? srsly. why's it more moral to let someone make shitty pizza than it is to let ppl live a life of eating shitty pizza ? do you think it's okay for ppl to spend their hard-earned money on a sub-par product?
John Garcia
ya but if ur good enough at making pizza, that 3 extra hours u spend a week bookkeeping would beb etter off making pizza and hiring someone else to do it. in which case, it still reduces to hwo well u can keep a flow of costumers
Jose Wood
You can pay me in BitBean :^)
I graduated just a few weeks ago. Grandfather left me some money. Told me not to touch it until I got at least an associate degree so I did it.
Lincoln Bennett
This. Nobody should have to live that way. Fucking save them OP
Jeremiah Rogers
you would be a bad person if you didn't try. you're literally saying, "hey guys I'm going to cuck myself because I think I might feel bad about out-performing these other people and I don't want to do that."
listen to yourself. anyone who has had to search for a job in this economy knows this already. it's sink or swim out in the real world, and you need to learn to swim.
Angel Collins
Do it for your family honor, your grandfather wouldnt want a moral pussy as a grandkid.
John King
It's not fair if I am better than them which I am
Good point but what happens to the competition I drive out
I understand what you're saying. I'll definitely have to hustle to make sure people know about my business
Owen Cooper
Just look at it from the perspective of the customer. Do pizza aficionados deserve good pizzas at a fair price? I think it is hard to argue against this. If the competition is unwilling or unable to produce pizzas as good as yours at prices as reasonable as yours, then they do deserve to be put out of business.
Think about it from another perspective: do you deserve to run a restaurant, if you produce bad food at high prices?
Michael Adams
>It's not fair if I am better than them which I am literally retarded, literally, please get better
Ryan Rodriguez
The competition can work in some other field. Maybe they can go do what you did before you started your pizza parlor, or maybe they can mine bittcoin, or go work on an oil rig.
Cameron Bailey
What if they lose their house? Is it their fault for over extending?
Jack Sanders
you really need to ditch this mentality about how winning in a competition somehow isn't fair. did you try to get Cs in school because it wasn't fair to the other students if you got an A? no, no you didn't. you will be eaten alive in the real world if you don't get your head on straight.
Isaiah Cook
Hell, if you get the balls to do it and come back with an update, I'll buy some pizzas from you to give to the homeless. A good deed and a good sale.
Post your btc wallet and I'll send you the money.
Jace Mitchell
that's not your concern. if you are in fact better than them, then they will 1) try harder and beat you, or 2) have to find a new job.
you'll be the one losing your house if you stick to this absurd "I shouldn't be better than them" mentality you are stuck in.
Jack Fisher
It is an unfortunate consequence if they lose their house, but its not your fault. It is like blaming the car manufacturers for the bankruptcies of the horsecart bankruptcies.
But lets be honest, do you expect ALL pizza restaurants to lose out to your restaurant? I think there's a good chance that some will survive and hang on.
Jason Perez
What about compassion?
Would it be acceptable to go forward if it is done with the intention of breeding with hot girls? Get enough money and that's where this leads.
Liam Hall
if the other places are trash they deserve to be put out of business or step up their shit
Carter Richardson
If your ancestors had been virgin fuckups who died without ever touching a girl you probably wouldnt be around. If you want to propagate your genes you better start working on those pizzas, boy
Daniel Morgan
compassion is for family and friends. you will not receive any compassion from coworkers and competitors, that's just the way the world works. I may not be able to convince you of that now, but you will learn as soon as you enter the workforce. your only shot at succeeding is beating them to the punch.
Lucas Mitchell
>literally
Chase Morgan
Why is everyone trained to be a pussy today? My mother has put these ideas in my head.
My dad used to always say I should be ruthless and demolish others.
Mom literally said don't open a restaurant. Old man Walter will be out of a job.
What do I do?
I hate being so autistic reeeeeeeeeee
Xavier Cooper
Just hire old man Walter to do some stuff in your restaurant if it all goes to shit for him.
Benjamin Rodriguez
>My dad used to always say I should be ruthless and demolish others. LISTEN TO YOUR DAD.
but you don't have to be ruthless, that's the beauty of it. all you have to do IS MAKE THE BEST FUCKING PIZZAS YOU CAN.
you'll be happy and satisfied with your work. your customers will be happy they finally have good pizza. your mom will be happy because you'll be succeeding in life.
old man walter will either step up his game, which would actually BENEFIT the local pizza industry and make you have to try harder, or old man walter will go out of business, which will also BENEFIT the local pizza industry because he couldn't keep up.
Nathan Adams
and unless old man walter is literally paying for your food and shelter, you owe him NOTHING. remember that.
Alexander Martin
What if he loses his house? Is that his fault or my fault?
Ian Rodriguez
it's his fault. he needs to make better pizza or throw in the towel.
don't forget, YOU might be the one that loses your house. don't expect to waltz in and sweep the competition. they can and will fight to keep their businesses and they will not show an ounce of compassion to you.
Grayson Roberts
>Old man Walter
If he's an old man, he's had all his life to set himself up. Fuck old man Walter. Fuck that dude.
Ian Bell
Its the bank's fault for lending him the shekels. Also if old man Walter still has a mortgage so big that it will lead him to lose his house, when he's nearing the age of retirement, then he is financially illiterate or just unfortunate. He'll probably end up well, but he might also end up strung out on fentanyl, overdosing in a ditch, or high on meth, blowing his brains all over the pizza oven. Whatever happens, happens. If its not your pizzashop leading to old man Walter's demise, then it is Miguel the Beaner's Taco Tex-Mex Pizza outlet.
Brody Rivera
stop being a faggot wallowing in self-contempt
Go out and start your business, we'll see who's the best. Paper =/= reality. Not saying you won't succeed but the effort you will have to put in will make it fair to crush the other pizzamaking idiots
Being an entrepreneur is not about looking for excuses on Veeky Forums faggot, it's about actually implementing ideas
Daniel Richardson
Alright I think I understand what you are saying.
Walter will perish by my hand. At least I will honor his work. FUCK MIGUEL THE BEANER!
I will breed the supermodels and die trying. You are right.
I will fight for you all. And if we are in competition I will fight against you without mercy, and you better not show me any either.
Thank you and God bless.
Nicholas Roberts
Seriously the Miguel the Beaner shit pushed me over the edge.
It's a fucking snake pit. Walter is going to go down. Either I can take him out with honor and dignity or let some other fuckface piece of shit subhuman do it. You are hundred percent right.
God bless you.
Bentley Collins
No problem man. Good luck with the pizzas.
To further rile you up: Imagine a scenario where all the pizza places get put out of business by these franchises that produce really shitty food at a slightly lower price than the pizza restaurants. Thats going to happen if people like you dont start new restaurants.
Btw there is this really good video about restaurant economics on realvision.com/ You can get a 7 day trial for free. Search for "restaurant sales slowdown signals us recession" on realvision if you're interested.
Hudson Hernandez
Thanks for everything user. I'll name my firt born after you
Matthew Jones
Evolutionary economics my friend.. > To adapt or perish Maybe your presence is a reason for them to make their food better... so you are actually doing your community a favor
Elijah Morris
Restaurants pop up all the fucking time because it's the easiest business for an idiot to imagine. They also fail the overwhelming majority of the time within 3 years.
You'll have shit tons of overhead just to keep the fucking lights on- rent, utilities, restaurant license fees, hourly cost of your employees+ obamacare and other bullshit, bank fees, cc fees, payroll, accounting etc. You're going to be burning so much fucking cash trying to get shit together it's going to kill you.
>I know for a fact I can be the best pizza place in town.
You don't literally know for a fact. What are you, a time traveler?
Do you have some incredible recipe or process that just blows *all pizza* out of the water? Do you have years of experience making said pizza? Have other people told you your pizza is incredible? Or are you just saying "Well these current restaurants are fucking up their pizza so much I'm sure I can do better"? Because there's only so much of a demand for mediocre pizza. And, if your pizza is just ok, what stops a competitor from coming in with actually good pizza? You aren't competing against just current pizza places, but ones in 1-5+ years down the road.
>the best pizza place in town. >Literal rednecks run these places
It sounds like you're in the middle of nowhere then. Sounds like that would limit your potential revenue significantly. If you did have a sufficient enough density, you should already have a bunch of national pizza franchises setting up shop. Hmm, but you don't. If your town doesn't merit investment from the big chains, who do all sorts of market research based on hundreds of locations and can build a franchise far cheaply than it takes someone to create an entirely new brand, why do you think your analysis is better?
You'e going to fucking get killed. Your capital is going to evaporate as you realize there's substantial ongoing costs and that you'll have to sell a shit-ton of pizza just to break even.
Joshua Wright
Do you have any restaurant or food service experience?
Julian Mitchell
>My problem is if I start a pizza place, I will literally put others out of business. dat hubris and dunning-kruger...
Gavin Williams
I love how OP is considering the ethical dilemma of putting competitors out of business but he probably hasn't even got 1 paying customer or even written a business plan
fucking lmao, this board is a joke
Cameron Young
300k people in city. There are big franchises and they do okay. I'm saying I can push out the small guys. They suck. I have about $250k in inheritance. I think I can do it.
Dominic Barnes
bump
this is his room mate. he's got money but he's a pussy bitch. someone just help him so he shuts the fuck up
Ayden Butler
>I have about $250k in inheritance that explains a lot
Jeremiah Turner
Fuck you nigger
How does that solve the ethical dilemma?
Cameron Bennett
>How does that solve the ethical dilemma? It doesn't, it just explains why you're in such a rush to waste your money by opening a business you're clearly unprepared for. Have fun.
Brayden Nguyen
>Pizza It's a code for a child trafficking ring!!
Christopher Gray
Get a big 5 accountant on a success fee basis Get a big 4 lawyer to handle your M&A on a success fee basis Recruit a board of directors from LinkedIN ROLL UP all the pizza shops in the area (Buy them for 3 years combined profit, with spitulations that the managers stay to work for 2 or something) Own all the pizza businesses in town.
Michael Kelly
>you will never have girls like that lust for you because you are not chad kms
Jordan Green
....who gives a shit? Look from the other side
If you don't do it, how can you live with your self letting people consume bleached food that is not nearly worth the price
Would you like living knowing there is a 6 year old girl eating pizza on her birthday shortly before dieng because of poisoning?
But fuck all that shit
You've got a better product for the same or a slightly higher price Free market nigger, grow a pair
Liam Parker
You aren't destroying other people's livelihoods, you're destroying their health with gluttonous mouth pleasure you fucking heathen.
jk, don't worry about your competitors user, do what you want to out of a desire to serve others (sounds like you have that down pat), and the rest will take care of itself. The key here is what does the customer want (good pizza), what are they currently getting (shit pizza), will you solve this problem? (Fuck yes), done. That's it.
It's not your problem that other people can't solve your customer's problem, your duty is to serve others, that's it. If your competitors were doing that you would not have the confidence / desire to do this in the first place, so you can even argue that if you don't go and make this pizza place, you are in fact condemning all the people in your town to eating shitty pizza, because even though you have the power and know-how to solve their problem, you didn't act because you're a pussy.
Xavier Ross
Forgot to add, sounds like your mind isn't totally on board, go read think & grow rich, don't go into business 'worrying' about your competitors, you should worry about your customer and how best to serve them, nothing more.
Henry Edwards
Dont be silly OP. Thats the name of the game putting others out of business to come out on top. If you make a better product and they dont change thier own to compete or atleast to be at the same level as you then theyre a shit show and deserve to be put out of business
Cooper Stewart
Is this a real question? It's your moral duty to put shitty pizza places out of business
Jacob Hughes
OP if you're still here try to use good sausage if you can.
I live in the city in the vicinity of many pizza places, good and bad. the most consistent indicator of how "good" a place is is how good their sausage is. rich, flavorful sausage with good texture and spices and something people never forget. processed, cheap bland sausage like you see at the big chain places makes me want to vomit.
Cameron Sanchez
You're not going to make it, OP because you don't have the killer instinct. You either kill or be killed.
Camden Hughes
Chad always wins man. Chad always wins.
Asher Lewis
>How can I be happy if I am literally destroying people's livelihoods?
kek
you cant have a soul in the pizza game desu
Jack Sanders
Why not senpai?
Luke Miller
When you make money, someone else has to be losing it. You'll get used to it, if you can't, you can always work for peanuts sucking Mr.GoldSteins dick.
Henry Foster
absolutely under no circumstances open up a pizza place OP, you're just too fucking retarded and cucked out of your mind to be worthy of success in life
just go work on the shittiest pizza place in town, marry the fattest rednecks daghter and be sure you provide for your step sons and prep the bull always in time
Easton Gomez
You won't. They will upgrade their pizza techniques to out-pizza you instead. This is free market.
Oliver Jenkins
this thread still up? LOL fucking pussy
guess roomie to the rescue
look at these women you fuckface. this is shit YOU said before. you want to fuck them and breed them?okay.
like another user said MIGUEL THE BEANER will get them if you don't act
walter's going down regardless. YOUR fight is not with him. YOUR fight is with ALL the fucking miguel the beaners.
THEY will fuck the women. the women will choose THEM if you don't fucking fight you pussy.
YOU against MIGUEL! an honorable fight between 2 young adult human males. winner takes all. expect no mercy. show no mercy.
one guy WILL fuck these women. you or him? walter's dead anyway man. he knows it. free him from the suffering.
AT LEAST DON'T LET BEANER WIN
saged
Andrew Thompson
forgot to add fuckface this is what YOU said. there's no honor in letting yourself be destroyed
miguel is going to destroy you fucker
i remember your grandfather. worked from 6 am to midnight you pussy bitch not on Veeky Forums shitposting
James Ward
Fuck you. Why do even stay with me? I should never have let you share the room you fucking shitbag.
I cant just start a business. Others will go out of business I don't want to be responsible for that.
Thomas Morgan
sounds like a domestic is about to go down
remember, use good sausage
Eli Taylor
Oh look OP is re inventing the wheel. Come up with something different that the other pizza places dont do. You know to you it may be shit pizza, but somehow they are staying in business. So someone is buying it, unless its a front.
Austin Parker
kys fucking cuck. afraid of true potential fuck you. i'm moving out next week bitch. disgrace to gramps who you claim to honor so much pussy bitch
Ryan Turner
Is op having multiple personalities.
This is not fight club faggot op.
Mason Harris
>Literal rednecks run these places. One place literally put bleach in the food. I know I can take them on.
but you won't be happy about sparing ppl from having to eat bleach
i think there's some other concerns here that you may not perfectly grasp won't these 'rednecks' possibly fuck you up? aren't you actually gonna have to fuck someone over? idk but the reason of your worries doesn't seem too genuine.
you clearly feel bad about making a pizza place, but i don't think your reason is actually that these people already running restaurants might have a harder life.
Jackson Rodriguez
op is a fucking faggot. this his roomie. he just left the house in anger lol
Jose Foster
Food has shit margins with lots of risk- if you can afford a physical restaurant than there are better ways to invest your money.
Justin King
because you have to sell it to moloch if you want to succeed.
Ian Jones
^ this
Eli Cruz
>companies that put bleach in their pizza will go out of business! Oh no, how will humanity live on?
Jaxson Hughes
Ethical dilema? Are you retarded? If you think you have the best product then, ask yourself these questions Is it ok to let other people sell their subpar product to other people when you can provide a better one? Why would you deny other people of better products? Is it ok to hinder progress? The only way to progress is with competition, if no one competes against shit products then no one would advance