1. Aryan is not a race. It's a Sanskrit word for noble. Nowhere does it refer to people of a different race or appearance. This is evident in Vedic and Buddhist texts. 2. Sanskrit words have nothing in common with "Indo-European words". Not even the letters look remotely similar. 3. If the Aryan invasion theory is correct then that means the original habitants of the Indus Valley were Dravidians and Vedic literature and knowledge is Dravidian in nature. 4. The caste system is not something this supposed race came up with. Every civilizations has their class of people. 5. There is no historical evidence or literature of this supposed invasion ever taking place. Surely if it happened then it would mean they would have recorded it if it changed the very foundation of their society and civilization. 7. The theory itself was created by early European indologist who came up with their own version of "Out of Africa" theory but instead of Africa, they used Europe. It was a way to downplay Indian achievement by claiming that their ancient text, knowledge, civilization was due to ancient European migration and not because of their own native population. This contradicts point #3. The languages, culture, math, science food of ancient India has nothing in common with Europe relative to that time. 8. Pic related is a sculpture of a dancing girl in 2500BC in the Indus Valley civilization. Why would they (the supposed Aryan "race" make a sculpture of an inferior of a lesser caste and bring importance to her?
Indians are half Aryan (white) and Dravidian (nigger) from the start anyway, Iran is where's it at
>" I am Xerxes, the King of Kings, son of King Darius, an Achaemenian, a Persian, son of a Persian, an Aryan, of Aryan stock"
Ayden Phillips
Picture of the average Aryan
Luke Rodriguez
Again, Aryan means noble.
>a Persian, son of a Persian, a noble, of noble stock"
Jace Rodriguez
Picture of the average Dravidian
Ian Martinez
>8. Pic related is a sculpture of a dancing girl in 2500BC in the Indus Valley civilization. Why would they (the supposed Aryan "race" make a sculpture of an inferior of a lesser caste and bring importance to her?
Jayden Bailey
Because they had jungle fever.
Landon Cook
Don't people ever get tired of this race stuff? At the end of the day it doesn't matter if your race accomplished wonders and you're the great-great-great-great-great-great grandson of some king if you currently live in a shack or are loser NEET living in your mother's basement. It means fuck all. Are you a noble? Are you rich? If yes good if not this stuff is irrelevant.
Oliver Ortiz
>nothing in common with other indo european words is this bait? the similarities are enormous, not even on a lexical level, but on a cultural level with regards to deities, naming practices, religious practices. and then theres fucking dna evidence.
Dominic Phillips
Race is important
Jackson Turner
Why?
Carson Anderson
I repeat: The woke level in this thread is too high
Kayden Parker
>deities, naming practices, religious practices.
Provide some examples
Chase Torres
Did Dravidian India have enforced hrt regiments?
Nolan Richardson
>English: Mother >Sanskrit: Mātár >English: Father >Sanskrit: Pitár >English: Son >Sanskrit:Sūnú >Latin: Duo (two) >Sanskrit: Dvā́(u) (two) >Latin: Septem (seven) >Sanskrit: Saptá (seven)
the fuck sort of trash meme is this? The similarities linguistically are much more than coincidental, and don't even get me started on haplogroups and anthropological evidence
i feel sorta bad for sperging this hard over race n shiet, never did this for egyptian we wuzzery
>2. Sanskrit words have nothing in common with "Indo-European words". Not even the letters look remotely similar. O rly?
Charles Thomas
what is "hrt"?
Easton Moore
Magic
Lucas Nguyen
deities: dyaus pita-deus-jupiter-Zeus pater-Tiwaz fader Suil-Sol-Helios-Surya Perun-Percunas-Parjuna Naming practices: frequent 'dual element' names, often taking about glory or horses, battle, etc. Leucippus, Svetasva(both mean white horse, 2nd element is from same root) Eurycles-Urusrava(both meaning wide glory) religious practices-importance of hospitality latin flamines vs aryan brahman kshatriya class vs. equestrians(trifold division) sacrificing animals to the gods
there a shit ton more similarities that get especially esoteric, things like sword cults, mannerbunds, religious oaths, poetic similarities, similarties of mythos, importance of cows
Connor Barnes
tell me >:(
Tyler Cruz
look it up
Logan Harris
>b-but indians are ary-
PFFFT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA
Jack Bell
>mfw indian nationalists seriously believe they are the original aryans on the sole basis that they got raped by aryans thousands of years ago
please explain to me you indian origin believers why didn't indo european language expand east of northwest india then, explain to me how this proves your biased "indian" origin of the proto indo european peoples?
>b-but muh sanskrit
look up fucking lithuanian, modern lithuanian for a real alive indo european language
Luke King
Please mods, can we ban threads with any variation of "what race were X" or "X race is/isn't Y" in the OP? I've been on Veeky Forums since the beginning but it's really getting out of hand at this point.
Ayden King
> muh lefty safe space What's up boy? Can't handle the truth?
Charles Long
horses originated in india dufus
Jose Miller
I don't care what you say as long as you don't clog up the board by using the same text and image macro I've seen over and over again to argue how the same old point about how black the ancient Egyptians weren't.
Adam Evans
This board needs to be safe space from dogshit subjects which are spammed non stop.
Elijah Brown
Why are Pajeet nationalists so retarded?
Jack Allen
>the Indus Valley civilization Was not Aryan. Aryans came to India later, when it was already gone.
Andrew Richardson
we desparetly need a moderator to limit the /pol/bait to one or two threads. make Veeky Forums great again
Parker Gray
>Pic related is a sculpture of a dancing girl in 2500BC in the Indus Valley civilization. Why would they (the supposed Aryan "race" make a sculpture of an inferior of a lesser caste and bring importance to her?
The Aryans came after the Indus Valley civilization. As far as I know, no one claims the Indus Valley was Aryan. Secondly, there is absolutely linguistic evidence of Sanskrit being indo european. There was an aryan (or indo-european) arrival; probably more of a migration and assimilation than an invasion. This isn't stormfag shit, this is mainstream consensus
Oliver Bennett
>indus valley >aryan kys
Joshua Rodriguez
It really isn't and we don't need 50 threads a day about it.
James Stewart
>The Aryans came after the Indus Valley civilization. As far as I know, no one claims the Indus Valley was Aryan. Secondly, there is absolutely linguistic evidence of Sanskrit being indo european. There was an aryan (or indo-european) arrival; probably more of a migration and assimilation than an invasion. This isn't stormfag shit, this is mainstream consensus It depends what you mean by 'Aryan'. Despite the fact that Persians/Iranians were cucked into abandoning their native religions, they remain more 'aryan' than most Indians.
Fact.
Brandon Myers
you racist poltard. aryans were brown and are from india. indians went to europe. europe is ours. indians rule britain.
Nathaniel Hernandez
Horses were domesticated in the pontic steppe, earliest signs of horse domestication are only found in southern russia, ukraine, caucasus, central asia.
The origin of the hourse is unknown, there were horses in every continent except for australia roaming about.
Retard.
Jaxon Diaz
so much racist butthurt from losers who got replaced by alpha indians at their domestic job and housing market.
>Secondly, there is absolutely linguistic evidence of Sanskrit being indo european. There was an aryan (or indo-european) arrival; probably more of a migration and assimilation than an invasion
Haitians in the Caribbeans speak Creole, which has roots from the French language. It doesn't mean that Haitians as a whole have any connection to the people in France. Even if it were true, then the language was passed to people to people, rather than people to land.
Cameron Davis
this
Avestan is much closer to an 'original'; Sanskrit has tons of non-IE loans all over the place.
Sanskrit is just a dravidian dialect, while Avestan directly developed in the homeland of the Aryans and thus didn't get too much influenced by non-Aryan influences.
Bentley Campbell
Because clearly a large majority of the world still identifies by race and culture?
You can say it doesn't matter and wish it were so, but it clearly isn't the case.
Ryder Foster
>1. Aryan is not a race. It's a Sanskrit word for noble. Nowhere does it refer to people of a different race or appearance. This is evident in Vedic and Buddhist texts. correct 100%. also aryan =/= proto-indo-european. it's a cultural-linguistic self-designation only of the indo-iranian subgroup. >2. Sanskrit words have nothing in common with "Indo-European words". Not even the letters look remotely similar. they have a lot in common if you care to look at the evidence. there is an overwhelming amount of regular correspondences that can be systematically explained through sound changes >3. If the Aryan invasion theory is correct then that means the original habitants of the Indus Valley were Dravidians and Vedic literature and knowledge is Dravidian in nature. scholars today speak of aryan migration rather than "invasion". it is indeed likely that the indus valley people were dravidian speakers, though the evidence is not conclusive. this doesn't mean vedic literature originated from them though. it obviously came from the people who spoke vedic sanskrit - the immigrating aryans. hinduism in its many form probably arose as a result of a complex interaction of introduced ("aryan") and native (possibly "dravidian") elements as do all religions. >4. The caste system is not something this supposed race came up with. Every civilizations has their class of people. true. while the indian caste system is a special case, it can be compared to other systems of social hierarchy. i'm not sure what your point is here though.
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Eli Ramirez
cont. >5. There is no historical evidence or literature of this supposed invasion ever taking place. Surely if it happened then it would mean they would have recorded it if it changed the very foundation of their society and civilization. again “invasion“ is a misleading word. there is however a lot of evidence for aryan migration into india both linguistic and archeological. one example is archeological remains of vedic horse sacrifices as described in the vedas being found in the steppes where indo-aryans are thought to have come from as well as the same thing in later sediments in india corresponding to the time of immigration. this is just one of many examples. you say they should have recorded it, but how would they have done that? with writing they didn’t have? >7. The theory itself (...) while european superiority fantasies may have played a role in earlier research into IE origins, that is not the case any more today. nobody claims that PIE originated in europe, it came from the pontic-caspian steppes on the very edge of eastern europe, hardly where most researchers are from. also nobody would claim that the place where it came from is in some way better than any other. nobody says that people who live in eastern ukraine and southern russia today are the chosen master race. that would be ridiculous. the languages of india and those of europe may look very different today but we can see the common origins more clearly the further we go back in time. culture, math, science, food etc. are irrelevant - those are aspect that change quickly and can be introduced from any kind of inside and outside influence without changing the fact that the LINGUISTIC origins are the same >8. Pic related is a sculpture of a dancing girl (...) i don’t get this question, it doesn’t make sense in any way and rest on several erroneous assumptions.
Justin Sullivan
>Indus Valley were Dravidians Disputed. >Vedic literature and knowledge is Dravidian in nature. Oh I see you're dumb. Not worth reading/debating beyond this point.
Asher Campbell
>2. Sanskrit words have nothing in common with "Indo-European words". Not even the letters look remotely similar. Holy shit you're might be actually retarded! Please be bait.
Caleb Myers
>Disputed. While historians can't seem to figure out the language of the IVC, most would agree that they came after or near the end of the civ.
Gabriel Parker
The issue is far from settled, and may never be, that's what disputed means.
Oh and if you're OP kill yourself and reincarnate with more than a two digit IQ.
James Martin
Satan trips.
Samuel Thomas
Both the Paki-nigger who claims the north did everything and the Dravidian-nigger who claims the south did everything need to fucking kill themselves. Or get into an argument. I'd like to see how that goes to be honest.
Isaiah Mitchell
Not an argument
>hurr durr Sanskrit word for "Mother" is "MatR". See guise! It's the same!