Is the influence of the Moors on Europe overrated?

many black nationalists like to claim that the "Moors civilized Europe" or "educated Europe"

yet they only really were around Southern Spain and their reach was essentially non existent not even making it past France

>based Charles Martel

so why is this still a meme

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they had some influence in the early middle ages, that much is true and at one point Cordoba was the largest city in Europe and one of the largest in the world but the cultural or scientific influence of the Moors and Arabs in general is hugely exaggerated in pop-history

The 'Moors' were Arabs and Berbers.

Painting foreigners the artist never saw before as exotic and outlandish as possible is common throughout history. Other non-ethnic/racial examples are artists from other time periods making art of historical battles from centuries ago, like the Biblical tales of the Macjiowski Bible. All the soldiers are in 13th century armour/weapons, all are white. Other subtler examples are artists from 100 years later portraying people in their contemporary clothing, etc.

Every notable Moor was Berber or Arab, not black

Arab and Berber are socio-lingusitic groupings not hard fast terms denoting any particular phenotype

are you guys sure they were not black

but what about the Moorish Science Temple

"The Moorish Science Temple of America is an American national and religious organization founded by Noble Drew Ali, born Timothy Drew. He based it on the belief that African Americans were allegedly descended from the Moors of North West Africa and thus were Moorish by nationality, and Islamic by faith. Ali put together elements of major traditions to develop a message of personal transformation through historical education, racial pride and spiritual upliftment. His doctrine was also intended to provide African Americans with a sense of identity in the world and to promote civic involvement."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moorish_Science_Temple_of_America

The not Sub-Saharan African ones, dumbass.

Berbers used to be a race of pallid ginger people, according to the Egyptians and the last Canarias surviving population of isolated Berbers.

The furthest you can go for WE WUZing in Andalusia are the slave soldiers which were niggers, and they didn't permanently settle there.

Ethnic Arabs, the original Semites, occupied posts of dominance over Andalusia and were its rulers, with Berbers as their enforcers. You could directly see the ethnic ties to Arabia through their lineages.

Even sadder is that the notable philosophers or scientists weren't even Arab, mostly persians.

It's the conflation of Moor/Mauro/Marino/Maure all being used throughout Europe to denote blackness with Moor used in the Americas denoting West African Muslims (generally the literate amongst Mande, Fula and Wolof enslaved people) or implying a regional (not racial) demarcation such as Robert Purvis's grandmother.

This is like saying Turks made Hagia Sophia.

This is Wuzzery
Arab is a semiticizing language there is not Semitic people only semiticizing peoples. Secondly Arab proper from Arabia Felix are of Cushitic, Nilosaharan and Levantine semiticizing speaking populations.

There is no "pure" Arabic race.

Semitic my phone is autocorrecting

Then why did Arabs erect an Arab-supremacist system before the Abbasids, contrary to Islam's actual theology, where they ranked Muslim non-Arabs, like Berbers, almost to the level of non-Muslims?

There was a massive ethnic consciousness in Arabs of the early Caliphates.

The context is the Zanj not the al-Sudan or al-Habash two other black groups. The Zanj are the inland peoples of the Swahili coast unrealistic to either the Shirazi, Waq-waq or Swahili proper

Also thanks for editing it. You stupid ferenji were misquoting Al-Jahiz and other writers for far too long until I kept bringing up how silly you poster were

Unrelated

Moorish Spain? The place and period where Jews and Christians had to wear clothing different from Muhammedians and were subject to random violence and massacre by the last mentioned?

zanj became generalized to mean all blacks, retard

muslims were racist towards blacks/

No it's not زنگی or Zang is a specific region in Southeast Africa as every Persian and Arab person knew. That's why they differentiated between all the known regions of Africa.

"bilād as-sūdān" means land of the blacks and is talking about the Sahel from Mauritania to Sudan.

You should study before posting misrepresented memes.

>Berbers used to be a race of pallid ginger people

AYO HOL UP

so the question is did the arabs know that niggers are dumb?

Some believed Zanj to be "dumb" because they were radically different than other Africans and Eurasians.

Not West Africans or East Africans.

Zanj were "dumb" because they did not "know" Islam and were proud of their color and culture.

Anyways Al-Jahiz scholar from Iraq stated

>Everybody agrees that there is no people on earth in whom generosity is as universally well developed as the Zanj. These people have a natural talent for dancing to the rhythm of the tambourine, without needing to learn it. There are no better singers anywhere in the world, no people more polished and eloquent, and no people less given to insulting language. No other nation can surpass them in bodily strength and physical toughness. One of them will lift huge blocks and carry heavy loads that would be beyond the strength of most Bedouins or members of other races. They are courageous, energetic, and generous, which are the virtues of nobility, and also good-tempered and with little propensity to evil. They are always cheerful, smiling, and devoid of malice, which is a sign of noble character.

>The Zanj say that God did not make them black in order to disfigure them; rather it is their environment that made them so. The best evidence of this is that there are black tribes among the Arabs, such as the Banu Sulaim bin Mansur, and that all the peoples settled in the Harra, besides the Banu Sulaim are black. These tribes take slaves from among the Ashban to mind their flocks and for irrigation work, manual labor, and domestic service, and their wives from among the Byzantines; and yet it takes less than three generations for the Harra to give them all the complexion of the Banu Sulaim.

Not true, especially not for Moors who had little to no Persians amongst them.

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is that picture real

i quite like chess, that position looks wild

The moors weren't arabs my dude.

Doesn't mean that they were persians though.

you're missing out assyrians :D

You are used to regular chess
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libro_de_los_juegos#Chess

Arabs in Spain introduced irrigation techniques to utilize water in more efficient ways
to them the amount of water in Spain was crazy
they also introduced oranges and chickpeas, algebra, alchemy, modern numbers rather than roman numbers..
a lot of people look back at arab rule in shame but thats an extreme oversimplification
In Spain the term "morisco" or "moro" applies to anyone that came from Morocco AFAIK

Black nationalists are retards and dont deserve to be taken seriously.

if you white people want to believe that everything came from white, then just do it, be an ignorant fool, let it fuel your racism, no one is stopping you,

This is what I meant by misquoting and misrepresenting text

Dude just look at most of muslim philosophers they are mixed/caucasoid.

>In Spain the term "morisco" or "moro" applies to anyone that came from Morocco AFAIK
It applies to any muslim

Arabs, Persians, Afghans, Pakistanis are Caucasoid. Not mixed.

moriscos were muslims converted to catholicism
moors are basically called to anyone from northern africa, arabia etc as a generalization.

>moors
moros*